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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,274 Views)
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Sat Nov 7, 2009 5:06 pm
This just adds more reason for 'his' unique inclusion. This is turning out really great for some of us. NJB got his revamped Ieyasu, Yoshitsugus in and 'he' has a extremely high chance and to top it off, Nanas more or less a shoe-in. If 'he' does indeed make it in, Capcom have made my perfect Sengoku game. Great game play, my favourite concept artist and my two favourite samurais.

But there is no Nobuyuki for me T_T

I can still go for my second bests though, Torri Mototada and the red devil :sly:


But i dunno, Kasuga no tsubone just seems kinda random, i mean why add his neice when you could add his more involved wife? I still thik its Nana, but i'm sure if it was Kasuga no Tsubone she would be just as piratey awesome, either way i know i'm just gonna love whoever that silhouette is.
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Nine Demons Yoshitaka
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I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but just propose something...

Since hey, this is Basara (TM) the silhouetted woman doesn't necessarily have to be historically connected with Motochika. I mean, Masamune and Yukimura are rivals in this game, but it's not like they had any particular relationship historically (that I know of). Same goes for the two Motos.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to have Nana as much as the next person. Just wanted to point out a possibility :ph43r:
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Most excellent :sly:
This just adds more reason for 'his' unique inclusion. This is turning out really great for some of us. NJB got his revamped Ieyasu, Yoshitsugus in and 'he' has a extremely high chance and to top it off, Nanas more or less a shoe-in. If 'he' does indeed make it in, Capcom have made my perfect Sengoku game. Great game play, my favourite concept artist and my two favourite samurais.

Anyway, do the 2ch-ers have something against Nana, or do they just don't think shes worthy of inclusion? I admit that Kasuga no Tsubone would have been pretty likely, but with the already existing Kasuga... I can see some people getting confused, especially the English crowd who aren't too knowledgeable about the Sengoku jidai.
Well all Iīd need then would be Hisahide :ph43r: (though Torii Mototada would be even more awesome....or just Hattori Hanzo or Ii Naomasa or any Tokugawa officer :P )

So...when is it going to take place? I guess it wonīt be soon, since they wonīt reveal Nana and Kanetsugu in one batch...probably late November/December...

Though I really hope theyīll fasten the pace of the "news-flow" after the next batch cause waiting again one month for news would be :mellow:

Kasuga no Tsubone? Meh. Would really cause some confusion...also his wife would be more fitting since it would show Motonari what heīs missing in his life:

Aniki has a woman who loves him, subordinates who care for him and friends who help him out if he needs them.

Motonari has no one.

Maybe thatīll make him change his way a bit.
Yeah, and that friend just smeared whatever friendship they had... (I know, it's Ieyasu. But other than him, who else was Motochika's buddy other than his 'little bros'?)
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Matsunaga Hisahide
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Well, you got me there :P

But Ieyasu is still his friend. I bet weīll see a scene were they reunite. There has to be. This friendship canīt end, just because they suddenly want to be "Mr. History".

Still so much waiting time till they reveal Nana. Then he has a second good friend and a women he loves :shifty:
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Well, it's just like as Makishima said in the silhouette guessing topic: Nana's historical records are so scarce, to the point that her actual name is unknown. Note that Nana is a name given by Shiba Ryotaro in his novel Natsukusa no Fu.

But well, that didn't make KOEI hesitate to add some name-obscured females in DW like Sun Shangxiang and Zhang Xingcai, did it? So it should be similar here. :rolleyes:
Fair enough, but yeah, its not like it stopped Koei. If they can do it, why the hell can't Capcom?
Not to mention that if they can afford to create fictional characters such as Kasuga, I see no reason for them to not give her a shot. Plus, its pretty cool seeing Capcom working with the lesser known characters of the era.

DK: Yeah, I'm definitely not expecting Kanetsugu in the next batch, thats just asking for too much :XD But I expect the info will pick up by the end of the year... at least I'm hoping it will.

Makishima!: Yeah, I suppose seeing as though this is BASARA, anything can happen. Hell, they might pull a Koei on us and make Ginchiyo Motochika's best friend. But, as I said above, its sweet seeing Capcom implementing to lesser known of the Sengoku Jidai, so I'm all for Nana.

Anyway, heres hoping we all get something that we want. Be it making Hisahide a playable character or implementing more Tokugawas, hopefully this game will make us all happy :ph43r:
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While we might not all agree on her identity, there's one thing no one can deny: this girl (and all the other characters, of course) will be a blast to play with.

That's one of the best points Basara has, imo: no matter how cliched a character may seem by his intro/description, his story/lines/interactions with other chars make everyone unique and likable IMHO.


Slightly OT, but I don't understand why people (esp. in 2ch, but I've seen it here too) say "if *character already present in Musou* appears in Basara too, it means they just won't stop imitating it, huh? LOL"


I mean, it's like...Musou has copyrighted Sengoku characters, or something. They're both taking from history, so what's the point of bitching like this...?


IMHO we're arrived at one point where I (and many others, I'm sure) am f*****g sick of seeing Basara compared to Musou at every turn. Sure, Capcom copied it when they made Basara. We all know it. But the core of the game has been made differently. Especially now, except the "one VS all" system the two games don't play similarly at all. Isn't it possible to talk about one without mentioning the other, really?


Some Musou fans talk like that's the only one true Sengoku action game, or something. Get real, you've got competition and that competition has grown. Bitching about Basara's craziness, as if Musou was 100% historical anyway. Give me a break...


Sorry for the rant, I had to get this out of my system. I really have to stop visiting the "Anti Basara" thread.....
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You've been checking the Basara anti thread over there? That thread contains the most aggressive SB haters that will find any 'imitation' proofs the soonest they can. As a SB fan, you'll just get a headache if you keep following them, so better leave the endless hate for themselves. :/

How about checking a thread for people who like both Musou and Basara instead to calm off your mind a bit? :)
http://schiphol.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/gamehis/1246714957/

Anyway, the 2ch-ers consensus seems to have a new idea on who the silhouette might be: Yamanouchi Chiyo. The Yamanouchi is a clan which was in the East army and historically awarded Shikoku fief after Sekigahara ended.
[fanboy mode]
But.... really? If it's really Chiyo, who might end up having close hostile relations with Aniki, then her design should be somewhat anti-pirate. And the flintlock guns would disagree with that point, right? :rolleyes:
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I haven't really seen many "Anti Basara" threads, at least not here. And I really don't go looking for them either... seems like it's just self destructive or something. I don't go looking to read/watch things that I pretty much know is going to piss me off, probably because once I AM pissed off, I tend to get really hostile. Trust me, none of you guys want to see ME pissed off.

I still say just ignore them. There will always be some kind of comparison between the two, so long as they are based off of the same time in history. No, Koei didn't, nor can they, own the rights to Japanese history (now that's just silly!), but you have to expect it when one or the other are brought up. Some Musou fans are just butthurt about competition, and some Basara fans are butthurt about the butthurting of the Musou fans. Then you got the Musou and Basara (well, I really do want to give it a try when it makes it to the states) fans who are butthurt about the Basara's butthurting over the Musou butthurt. It's a painful cycle that people feel compelled to bring up I guess.

I'm still getting both games. Like I give a **** which one is better?

Edit: Oh, you went to 2ch? I can't comment then; I can never find the place and I don't know Japanese. Still, do as BK says and save yourself the needless headache and just avoid them.
Edited by ChibiGingi, Mon Nov 9, 2009 6:11 am.
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Nine Demons Yoshitaka
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Yeah, I sure will! Those people just love to hate. Oh well. Now I'll leave that place alone and think of ways to piss Chibi Gingi off, out of curiosity :hehe:

Hmm...if you're a fan of both Basara and Musou you can't be human!! Your psyche must be fractured in two!! Or something!!

How's that for an attempt? :P


I agree with BK that Chiyo is a reeeeeeally far-fetched option. Except the horse thing, what has she got going for her? A good-for-nothing husband and..hmm...yeah.

There are tons of other female characters easier to introduce in the game...with all the cool characters they could put in, who wants Chiyo and Kazutoyo? C'mon...

Anything is better than them IMO.


By all the hints and speculation we have...I don't know, if they say she's got ties to Motochika who could she be except Nana? :/
This is hard. I wonder if we'll be all surprised when we see that's someone completely out of left field, like Ginchiyo or something...
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Ginchiyo with guns would make me vomit, myself. The idea just doesnt sound like a good match at all.

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Nine Demons Yoshitaka
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Well, apart from the possible influence her SW counterpart has on you, are there any other reasons?

I somewhat feel like you though. But I think it's because she's got a tough woman aura about her, and guns like that in SB have been monopolized by Nouhime, which while being strong inside is pretty frail, aesthetically speaking...


Can we get a strong female character that isn't "elegant", "dazzling" or similar adjectives, for once?
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Chiyo, huh?

I reckon NHK made a drama about her and her husband. She helped her husband to get a wonderful horse (can't remember the name) to impress Nobunaga.

From my POV, I can tell if she's pretty popular. However, due to the fact that Kazutoyo is kind of a nobody compared to most of eastern army officers, I suppose Capcom may not put Chiyo. I can't really imagine seeing Chiyo without Kazutoyo or the other way around.
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Mon Nov 9, 2009 6:09 am
That thread contains the most aggressive SB haters that will find any 'imitation' proofs the soonest they can. As a SB fan, you'll just get a headache if you keep following them, so better leave the endless hate for themselves. :/

Lol, what a bunch of douches.
Anyway Maki, people like that tend to rile many of us up, especially when they haven't even played BASARA yet they constantly ***** about it. Its best to do what BK and Chibi advised, just ignore them.

Sadly, theres a few of people like that on this board. I just ignore 'em and leave them to themselves or laugh at them as they'll never know another Sengoku game if the constantly complain any other game with Masamune in is a direct rip off from SM :rolleyes:
Its thier loss.

Anyway, its like you said BK, the flintlocks don't really support Chiyo's inclusion. It is getting interesting though, seeing different peoples opinions on who the silhouette may be. Again, its like Maki said, who ever it is nana, she'll be a blast to play.
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:) I just wanted to ask you guys what sort of detail would you like to see in Basara 3 or taken out?

Having played SB2H again i've really noticed the attention to detail they put in the game.
Take Maeda Keiji for example he has a HUGE sword but runs extremely fast (his run animation is one of the best i've seen in a computer game :XD ) but to make up for it, you can tell the amount of strain it takes on his body by always having to flex his arm before performing the majority of his skills or when just standing still.

or for Character(s) that need their special skill button (or S string) repeatedly pressed, stoping half way results in unique body language

I really hope they keep that type of stuff in.

As for taking out... for me it would have to be the lone warrior aspect unless absolutely nessasary (they run into each other on the battlefield all the time i'm sure they don't all hate each other they need to remind us of those bonds)
We are on the third installment and it has been unfair (but at times fun) having to take on multiple BASARA officers characters like Kasuga (now that kenshin gone), chosokabe, motonari, yoshihiro (if hes still in) need help so having a default officer (how actually does something) on their side would be nice i hope they just dont add random characters (maybe one or two wouldn't hurt).

The other thing to mention would be "easy" gameplay from what i've seen so far and going from some of the battles in SB2H i'd like the stages to be more challegeing (like OMDS I nearly died! :realangry: type of gameplay) or the option to have it that way

but what would you guys like to see or wouldn't like to see?

Edited by ~in3vitableTIMING~, Mon Nov 9, 2009 6:36 pm.
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is there any way that someone could post the picture of 'nana'. i havent been able to find it anywhere :(
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Sheīll be a "BLAST" to play...well, thatīs for sure with two flintlocks :P

Despite who it is *cough*NanaorMago*cough* I really wonder how sheīll play...I mean Noh only had that two shot interval attack string. It was neither cool to look at nor anything special.

Also Noh used things like rifles, gatling guns, artilary, etc...which she got out of nowhere *cough*orbetteroutofacertainregion*cough* :shifty:

I really hope that A) She has a unique and cool attack string, that isnīt just two shots in a repeat loop and B) Has skills that arenīt just pulling out random things that have ten times the size of the character (especially since thatīs Nohīs "special trick")

I really hope the thing on her back does also contains something like a pirate knife, or she uses the pistols as close range weapons (since a flintlock was only capable of firing one shot, pirates used it like a club weapon after it) and some acrobatics.

Cause if itīs just a two-shot-string-shooting, things-out-of-a-certain-area-pulling beauty...itīd be just a cheap copy of Noh.

But I guess Iīm just worrying too much. They wonīt just copy&past Noh, I mean I just have to look at Mitsunari and Ieyasu. They donīt just look different, but feel different than Kenshin and Hideyoshi.

@~in3vitableTIMING~ :

Well we donīt have to be afraid about the love in details, just look at the gameplay vids of Mitsunari and Ieyasu. They look just as fluid, lively and detailed as Masamuneīs and Yukimuraīs.

For the difficulty setting...well...they did that in Devil Kings. That was one of the things DK did right. I donīt know why, but itīs kind a common that most of the japanese titles are pretty easy. A lot of games add more diffculty settings for the US/EU crowd or just switch the japanese easy to very easy, normal becomes easy, hard becomes normal and then they add a "REALLY HARD AS HELL MODE" and name it hard.

I canīt say much about what theyīll do for SB3, but surely the japanese gamers arenīt small babys that need a hand to walk. They can surely make the make harder, I mean whatīs the difficulty selection for? Easy/Normal/Hard....it was like choosing between Cotton Candy, Caramel and Choclate...itīs all sweet, I want something spicy.

Just make an easy for the newcomers, normal, hard for a more challenging gameplay and HARD AS HELL for those who seek a challenge for their maxed out 8th weapon wielding favourite.

I mean, afterall, itīs CAPCOM weīre talking about. Those guys to did Ghoulsīn Goblins series, the Megaman series, added the Hell and Hell mode in DMC3(you know the mode were enemys have the same health as in the hardest difficulty setting, but still can kill you in one shot? Now thatīs hardcore. Itīs like for those players who beat the "Dante must Die" or "Heaven and Hell" modes and still sought out for a challenge and the programmers said:"Then suck on this".....and hell did I suck on this....itīs really Hell and Hell. :crazy: )

For allies? Like I said in the other thread, I donīt really mind the lone wolf thing. If I want an ally I can rely on, I just go online and play some Co-Op with MP :P

And itīs not like "Oyakata-sama" really helped me out either when I played with Yukimura. Anikiīs NPC officers helped me out more than him <_<

@Gracia4ever:

We donīt have a colored out picture of Nana yet.
We just have a silhouette of her and weīre not 100% sure itīs really her(though allmost everything points at her...it could still be a female Magoichi for example)

Youīll find the "shadow" in this post next to Maeda Keiji.
We still have to wait around 2 weeks till we know more, so just be patient...though I know that thatīs not possible :P .....I want to know it too :ph43r:
http://s13.zetaboards.com/koeiwarriors/single/?p=8347837&t=6652203
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Mon Nov 9, 2009 8:07 pm.
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I can see where your coming from DK, Nouhime's S string really did suck: short range, weak, repetitive and boring. But I kinda like her skills which really emphasized the quirky nature of Basara, being able to whip out an oversized minigun or bazooka at any time to make mince meat of the enemy. But I agree something completely different would be much appreciated for the new gunslinger.

About the allies thing, like I said I'm fine with them being pretty useless when it comes to actually fighting, but at least give them decent AI (ie. being able to move around the map by themselves/attack the enemy) so as to make the battles that little more dramatic and immersive. And on the topic of useful ally combos, Am I the only one who finds Nobunaga backed up by Ranmaru and Nouhime overpowered?
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Hmm...if you're a fan of both Basara and Musou you can't be human!! Your psyche must be fractured in two!! Or something!!

How's that for an attempt? :P
i liked both too,but your taunt attempt would be futile on me,mainly because master asia is above humans>.<(also categorized in "not human")
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I can see where your coming from DK, Nouhime's S string really did suck: short range, weak, repetitive and boring. But I kinda like her skills which really emphasized the quirky nature of Basara, being able to whip out an oversized minigun or bazooka at any time to make mince meat of the enemy. But I agree something completely different would be much appreciated for the new gunslinger.
in SBBH?so true,but in other SB games,once you got the right weapons and accessories you wont be using any other skill aside from her S string and the shooting gallery/strafe skill(that is if you want to maximize damage output and beat a stage faster)

note that her range in SBBH is utterly terrible while on the other games its pretty lenghty,not DMC gun range but still spammable in a safe distance,plus its very rapid with almost no pause at all,which is the main unique point of it,its way stronger than fuuma's S string,that's for sure>.<

but i do agree that if the new character is not noh,then "she" should not use the same moveset,a new S string is in order(still doubting that its a woman>.<)
Edited by wodash, Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:25 am.
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Can we get a strong female character that isn't "elegant", "dazzling" or similar adjectives, for once?
Eh? I would easily consider Matsu for that category. I mean, beyond her "sexy henshin" change for her SB2 story intro, she's pretty much more along the lines of a "down to earth" yet strong female personality, who desires little more than maintaining and advancing the Maeda clan, and being a good wife to Toshiie. People in the BASARA verse seem to value more for her independent yet reliable spirit, and even more so, her COOKING, rather than anything relating to her "beauty" and such. :hehe:

I fully agree that we could stand to see more, especially if such a female would actually do more to be a LEADER of a group, for once. But let's give credit where it's due, eh, Maki?


And any way...as far as the haterade over at 2ch and etc. goes? Really people, I just think you need to be directed to this:

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Once you just do more to remember this, you'll do more to get on with your life, and just say "**** the haters". If worrying about them would help change their minds, and or at least make them go away, then, by all means, keep worrying about the opinions of others.

Otherwise, just let it go.

Again, I could care less about Sengoku Musou 3 at this point. BASARA is where it's at for me, with the likes of Hokuto Musou and Trinity being Koei's real opportunities to truly impress me. Don't disappoint me, Omega Force...not when I think you may stand to really do something interesting for the first time in years...
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Well, she might be strong but she's the example of model wife. She is pretty, cooks well and loves and respects her husband...

I'd want someone more independent, if you get my drift...

Well, among the Basara females Matsu is the one that resembles such a personality the most though.


About 2ch...I get your point (even if I can't see the pic). I must have sounded really obsessed to make you write such a thing...
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Hanbeiīs son fought in the eastern army? :OMG:

You know...that fact...wouldnīt it be like WTF if Hanbei is actually alive and fights on Ieyasuīs side in SB3? :crazy:

And afterall no one thought (at least I) that Motochika would fight AGAINST Ieyasu...so why not the other way around?
Since it seems they ride along history (means that the clans who fought on Ieyasuīs or Mitsunariīs side, really are fighting on their side, even though itīs someone of a clan who couldnīt possibly be alive at that time like, again, Motonari...)

You know we all assume he is dead...but...doesnīt that leave an option open for him to represent the Takenaka at Sekigahara...fighting on Ieyasuīs side, like in history (you know what I mean :P )?

Even though itīs a low chance... :ph43r:
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speaking of Hanbei what are they gonna do with the dead characters VA'S coz hanbei's was AWSOME!!!! yes he was a feminine man but his voice kinda made me weak in the knees it would be a WASTE to just throw it away

And one more thing WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO MATSUNAGA HISAHIDE!!!?? :realangry: up until now he is the only NPC in the series i've REALLY wanted to play as plz don't tell me there gonna cut him too :sad:
Edited by ~in3vitableTIMING~, Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:55 pm.
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Matsunaga Hisahide
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:sly:

Finally someone brought up that matter again.

We donīt know anything about which characters return...I really think Hisahide is playable, since Kobayashi wonīt be that stupid, to not add Matsunaga again, after around 2 games and the 12 episode BASARA anime were he got allmost 2 episodes. Or at least, if he really decides to make Hisahide unplayable again...I wouldnīt want to be him... :mellow:

As for Hanbei, as I said, there might still be a chance for him to be there and even have a...."good"....historical....letīs just say some reasons for that(well the same reason why Motonari is in: The Mori fought in Sekigahara + Fangirl favourite)

BTW, I, too, would be dissapointed if heīs not in, at least in some form, since I really love his design(the purple colors+speedy whipsword character) and his awesome voice. I never mentioned him much since I thought Hanbei without Hideyoshi would never work...but now... :ph43r:
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:01 pm.
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I wonder if we'll see any scans today. Hopefully something new :XD
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I just peeked through the early released table of contents, and there are no SB3 info as expected.

There's SM3 news though, but since I'm going to exam now, I'll leave it to you. :)
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