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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,336 Views)
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LOL, looks like I am the only one who is glad they made SB into DK. You all should know my reason by now; it's saving me from my worst nightmare. Now if they localize SB directly there, I can pretty much say that I'll be doomed. \(^o^)/

Especially since this will be made by Capcom itself, it will be fully guaranteed. \(^q^)/

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Seems like if they work with other companies, they still can get it right though. SBX with ASW, the anime with IG...
But when it comes to games, magazines and merchandises made by themselves..... no no no.
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Certainly can't be any worse than MY nightmares... and that's even beyond SB related nightmares...
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LOL, looks like I am the only one who is glad they made SB into DK. You all should know my reason by now; it's saving me from my worst nightmare. Now if they localize SB directly there, I can pretty much say that I'll be doomed. \(^o^)/
Nope, me too. I hate seeing culture butchered for the west, and using the western order for names is only a part of it. Maybe I'm just being greedy in not wanting the west to have any basara (I'm ALL for another DK though. DK was creative as hell, and a great game. The VAs were leagues beyond anything KOEI has given us recently, too), but If I have to watch Basara get watered down by mentally numb sheep fans like Samurai Warriors...

Edited by Hondam, Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:38 am.
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BlackKite
Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:43 am
LOL, looks like I am the only one who is glad they made SB into DK. You all should know my reason by now; it's saving me from my worst nightmare. Now if they localize SB directly there, I can pretty much say that I'll be doomed. \(^o^)/

Especially since this will be made by Capcom itself, it will be fully guaranteed. \(^q^)/

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Seems like if they work with other companies, they still can get it right though. SBX with ASW, the anime with IG...
But when it comes to games, magazines and merchandises made by themselves..... no no no.
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You mean....Yukimura Sanada ...Masamune Date?
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@Adachi: Yep, things like that. *sigh* ('A`)

Glad to see I'm not the only one thinking like that, thanks Krat. ^_^

Basically it's like my previous point that still stands until now... if Western-made historical games like AoE, Total War and Civilization can get the naming convention correct, why can't Japanese-made history games do it too?
I've already lost much faith in Koei after seeing the 'big blunder' in the translated NA games. And with an official translation of SB anime coming soon as well as considering Capcom's 'track records' with Onimusha...... :crazy: :wacko:
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Yeah....that's a weird rule they have, that one...I guess they think that the original way is "too hard to understand" or some BS....


I wonder how they'll handle the anime...even if with reversed names, if they keep it as a Sengoku anime, will the games get a second chance...?
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Reminds be of Karl and Ura Mode.

I just hope that this convinces them to release SB2 in NA and UK.

I just hope they keeps the names at all. I'd prefer it it didn't use the Devil Kings' names. Western and Eastern Order dosen't matter to me.
Edited by Ultimate Legend, Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:02 pm.
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Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:16 pm
@Adachi: Yep, things like that. *sigh* ('A`)

Glad to see I'm not the only one thinking like that, thanks Krat. ^_^

Basically it's like my previous point that still stands until now... if Western-made historical games like AoE, Total War and Civilization can get the naming convention correct, why can't Japanese-made history games do it too?
I've already lost much faith in Koei after seeing the 'big blunder' in the translated NA games. And with an official translation of SB anime coming soon as well as considering Capcom's 'track records' with Onimusha...... :crazy: :wacko:
Though I cannot disagree with you, at least they haven't even butchered the characterization to the point that you want to vomit.

Such is KOEI's heavy sin to me, and at one point, Capcom DID want to make me vomit. But, now that SB3 is on the looms, Capcom now has a chance to make me happy instead of vomitting. But I shouldn't keep up such big hope. Companies always have a track record to find a way to make me vomit. At any way.
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Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:34 am
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Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:43 am
LOL, looks like I am the only one who is glad they made SB into DK. You all should know my reason by now; it's saving me from my worst nightmare. Now if they localize SB directly there, I can pretty much say that I'll be doomed. \(^o^)/
Nope, me too. I hate seeing culture butchered for the west, and using the western order for names is only a part of it. Maybe I'm just being greedy in not wanting the west to have any basara (I'm ALL for another DK though. DK was creative as hell, and a great game. The VAs were leagues beyond anything KOEI has given us recently, too), but If I have to watch Basara get watered down by mentally numb sheep fans like Samurai Warriors...

I can agree with this if you're referring to them making really stupid jokes like they did with Shingen. Otherwise, care to elaborate on what you mean by killing the culture?
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Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:23 pm
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Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:34 am
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Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:43 am
LOL, looks like I am the only one who is glad they made SB into DK. You all should know my reason by now; it's saving me from my worst nightmare. Now if they localize SB directly there, I can pretty much say that I'll be doomed. \(^o^)/
Nope, me too. I hate seeing culture butchered for the west, and using the western order for names is only a part of it. Maybe I'm just being greedy in not wanting the west to have any basara (I'm ALL for another DK though. DK was creative as hell, and a great game. The VAs were leagues beyond anything KOEI has given us recently, too), but If I have to watch Basara get watered down by mentally numb sheep fans like Samurai Warriors...

I can agree with this if you're referring to them making really stupid jokes like they did with Shingen. Otherwise, care to elaborate on what you mean by killing the culture?
Hm, butcher comes off as a little exaggerated..maybe a slight mockery? I dunno. But yeah, little things like those Shingen jokes and mistranslations or bad word choices. Things that the average westerner and player would get confused about (taking some of basara's fantasies and far-out scenarios as historical fact, for example).
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Well, we shouldn´t worry too much about twisted names.

We don´t even know the release date for Japan...nor the actual date the SB anime is released in english...

So DK2 is still far far...well...very far away for now.

Let´s just hope, they won´t screw up SB3. :)

@MaedaKeiji: No problem, :cool:
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:15 pm.
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Even though I'm a history major, and I usually am a stickler for such details when it comes to my work and watching documentaries...I must say, for the sake of a VIDEO GAME SERIES, which is not trying at ALL to be realistic? Naming order conventions is at the lower end of my personal list of "priorities".

It can stick out, but it's not like it would be a "deal breaker", if a translated SB3 had "Keiji Maeda" instead of the way it should be. That's small potatoes, in my humble opinion.

After all, remember, these are VIDEO GAMES. The first order of business that comes from trying to develop and market these games should be to a) make them fun and b) sell them as well as they can.

In my eyes, as long as they don't try to insult my intelligence (which is what I thought Koei did in Sengoku Musou after awhile, with stupid jokes), it should be alright, especially for the sake of an American audience. If they really want to go above and beyond, with correct name orders and such, well, bless 'em, but I won't expect as such.
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Even though I'm a history major, and I usually am a stickler for such details when it comes to my work and watching documentaries...I must say, for the sake of a VIDEO GAME SERIES, which is not trying at ALL to be realistic? Naming order conventions is at the lower end of my personal list of "priorities".

It can stick out, but it's not like it would be a "deal breaker", if a translated SB3 had "Keiji Maeda" instead of the way it should be. That's small potatoes, in my humble opinion.

After all, remember, these are VIDEO GAMES. The first order of business that comes from trying to develop and market these games should be to a) make them fun and b) sell them as well as they can.

In my eyes, as long as they don't try to insult my intelligence (which is what I thought Koei did in Sengoku Musou after awhile, with stupid jokes), it should be alright, especially for the sake of an American audience. If they really want to go above and beyond, with correct name orders and such, well, bless 'em, but I won't expect as such.
Exactly the point I tried to make. In my opinion. the gameplay is far more important than the naming order. As long as you can enjoy the game, the order of names shouldn't matter.

@BK: Bei Lu, Quan Sun, and Mengde Cao? :rolleyes:
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Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:55 pm
Even though I'm a history major, and I usually am a stickler for such details when it comes to my work and watching documentaries...I must say, for the sake of a VIDEO GAME SERIES, which is not trying at ALL to be realistic? Naming order conventions is at the lower end of my personal list of "priorities".

It can stick out, but it's not like it would be a "deal breaker", if a translated SB3 had "Keiji Maeda" instead of the way it should be. That's small potatoes, in my humble opinion.

After all, remember, these are VIDEO GAMES. The first order of business that comes from trying to develop and market these games should be to a) make them fun and b) sell them as well as they can.

In my eyes, as long as they don't try to insult my intelligence (which is what I thought Koei did in Sengoku Musou after awhile, with stupid jokes), it should be alright, especially for the sake of an American audience. If they really want to go above and beyond, with correct name orders and such, well, bless 'em, but I won't expect as such.
Exactly the point I tried to make. In my opinion. the gameplay is far more important than the naming order. As long as you can enjoy the game, the order of names shouldn't matter.

@BK: Bei Lu, Quan Sun, and Mengde Cao? :rolleyes:
I thought the DW games had it right....

The name issue doesn't bother me, i usually use both anyway....
sometimes its Motochika chosokabe, other times its Chosokabe Motochika, its inconsistent for me.
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@BK: Bei Lu, Quan Sun, and Mengde Cao? :rolleyes:
I tell you, if one day Koei ever use that order in their new DW and WO game, my faith in Koei would be restored and I'd forgive them for all the previous 'inconsistencies'. Hence nowadays some people also write Chinese and Korean names in western order too, so why not these? :sly:

Like it or not, every people have their own different pet peeves. And this is my biggest pet peeve after all. -_-
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I say, as long as they released it in the States (at least), that'd be enough....


This time leave the historical references inside and keep the personalities intact, or change things in an accurate manner....

Let SW have some competition stateside too!


Back on Topic...hmmm....


The PS3 has multitap support, right? I was thinking that it'd be sweet if the VS mode in this game was 4-player...take a hint from SBBH, but make the gameplay more main Basara-like....(or Power Stone-like. that would be awesome imho)

The Wii is already ready for this, 4 controllers and all. If the result was like that Bleach Blade Battlers, it'd rock imho....the 2p mode will become all kinds of fun, and stop being similar to SW (as far as I heard)
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The PS3 doesn't need multitap, it supports up to 7 controllers natively =)

Anyway, I'm inclined to agree with Ben to an extent. As long as they don't pull really bad jokes on us and change all of the lines I'm fine. I'd just like a faithful translation to a BASARA game.
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I've always agreed with Boss-after-Apocolypse's stance. BK's whole "baaw, names" thing is getting a little silly and a touch elitist but oh well. More people shouldn't play the games because they reversed the names (as opposed to just totally butchering everything?)? Well... we're all insane in our own ways...IE... *jumps inside a TV*....
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Ssssoooo uuuh anyways. Why has it taken so long for Capcom to use mouth moving technology for this series, anyways? Worse looking and earlier PS2 titles have had moving mouths, so why does it possibly take a next gen if PS3/320 game (I don't know Wii specs sorry, can it be called Next Gen?) for this?
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Uh, Adachi, you do know that BK is not enforcing people not to play the game unless the name ordering is fixed? It's just him who'll not play it, if you can endure the naming order, he's cool with you playing it. It's not like a certain youtube user I know that actively say "Do not support the US release, or else I won't continue to release my sub videos". I've seen worse...

*realizes that he's talking to himself because Adachi is off the TV*

Oh crap! *facepalm*
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Meh, I dunno. I guess I just like the niche that Basara has already. I just don't want to come into a history discussion where someone is saying that Tadakatsu and Yoshihiro were actual rivals, or arguing how faithfully Yukimura served Shingen or how awesome the rivalry between him and masamune was. Sure some actual research could clear things up, but it takes just one look to SW to see that it hardly happens.

Anyways, hopefully the site gets updated this week. More silhouettes, Kobayashi! ...or revealing the two we already have.
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Meh, I dunno. I guess I just like the niche that Basara has already. I just don't want to come into a history discussion where someone is saying that Tadakatsu and Yoshihiro were actual rivals, or arguing how faithfully Yukimura served Shingen or how awesome the rivalry between him and masamune was. Sure some actual research could clear things up, but it takes just one look to SW to see that it hardly happens.
It could happen, but I dunno. I somehow feel it's less likely for someone to take a game like BASARA is fact when it doesn't even take itself seriously as opposed to SW which at least makes an attempt to be serious. But eh, there's really no way to tell right now how that would play out.

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Anyways, hopefully the site gets updated this week. More silhouettes, Kobayashi! ...or revealing the two we already have.


Agreed =( I was really disappointed when we didn't get an update last week.
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Meh, I dunno. I guess I just like the niche that Basara has already. I just don't want to come into a history discussion where someone is saying that Tadakatsu and Yoshihiro were actual rivals, or arguing how faithfully Yukimura served Shingen or how awesome the rivalry between him and masamune was. Sure some actual research could clear things up, but it takes just one look to SW to see that it hardly happens.
I agree with DJ on this. BASARA's main claim to fame is that it's so over the top, I don't think people will really try to use it as a historical reference of any sort.

If they do, then well...they're probably the same type of people who probably think you can learn some real history from the likes of Mystical Ninja, Last Blade and Samurai Shodown. And that's just silly. :whistle:

Then there's the greater majority, who just won't care about it, just like a majority of the fangirls in Japan, who buy this series, DON'T CARE. :hehe:

I've been "privy" to meet many people who are self-proclaimed Musou fans, or budding BASARA fans, and usually don't give two ****s about the actual historical relevance. It's a nice backdrop to go with the package deal, and little else. Just like with many other games, such as those I list above.

So, I can't stress it enough. It's my opinion that there's no need to try and "Devil King-ize" BASARA again. At worst, people will be largely indifferent, and Capcom saves money from having to pay for more development time to "remake" the game, just for another region. At best, people can be some what receptive to it, even if it is riding on the coattails of the general anime/manga fanbase. And if those types of people DO try to do what Krat suggests, then well, that's just a thing of "nerds vs. nerds on the internet". And that much is going to happen any way! :hehe:
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Is this confirmed for PS3? Because:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/gentopic.php?board=961301


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GFaqs, as a whole, has a whole bunch of submitted data that may or (more likely, certainly) may not have a bit of truth to it. I dunno who's more at fault here...the user who jumped the gun with the submission details, or the GFaqs submission board, who obviously didn't do anything to check the facts for themselves. :meantongue:

I mean, if I was holding my breath, waiting for those Fire Pro Wrestling and Kirby games for GameCube, or Tail Concerto 2 for PS2...y'all wouldn't have even have gotten a chance to know this guy right here. :hehe:

But basically, until we get official information, take anything you may see/hear, be it Japanese or English, with a grain of salt.

Speaking of which....it's Tuesday, which means, ideally, Famitsu leak night. Hopes are renewed for more BASARA 3 info, for another few hours! :hehe:
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