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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,273 Views)
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No SB3 news? That's dissapointing, but there is SW3 news?! This is a glorious day. :p Anyway, for SB3 we still have the character's Jp voices to look forward to on the main site (which should be coming soon). So it's not a total loss.
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I'm not surprised there is no news, i'm dissapointed, but not surprised.

And hisahide odes have a good chance, he is popular and is the cause of so much in the BASARA-verse, it would be insanity to not have him in.

Also, some scattered remains of his clan fought on Hideyori's side of Osaka if that makes any diference.

Hanbei, i'm not sure, Hanbei without Hideyoshi feels odd to me, but now that i think about it, it could work. I mean i can definitely see him starting his own little revenge thing against Mitsunari and Ieyasu, but Ieyasu convinces him to leave his hatered and join his side, Hanbei does so, but they would probably give it a twist and have him double cross Ieyasu, though i totally see Ieyasu winning in both sides just for the sake of bonds :hehe:
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Ieyasu winning in both sides just for the sake of bonds :hehe:
I dunno if i have said this before but, this is one of the things is getting me interested in Basara 3.

I mean, Ieyasu preaching about bonds, then 'killing' Mitsunari's dear Hideyoshi and attacking his friend Motochika. He is the good guy, but sure that shows some hipocrisy...and i love it.

I so want to know how Basara will handle him.
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Ieyasu winning in both sides just for the sake of bonds :hehe:
I dunno if i have said this before but, this is one of the things is getting me interested in Basara 3.

I mean, Ieyasu preaching about bonds, then 'killing' Mitsunari's dear Hideyoshi and attacking his friend Motochika. He is the good guy, but sure that shows some hipocrisy...and i love it.

I so want to know how Basara will handle him.
Thats just it, he isn't that blatant All-around, generic Good guy, he has his problems, and his issues.

Most of all the blatant fact that he is a hypocrite.

Of course he has good intentions, but his methods are questionable.

Possibly due to some interference with Hisahide? :sly:
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Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:34 am
Ieyasu winning in both sides just for the sake of bonds :hehe:
I dunno if i have said this before but, this is one of the things is getting me interested in Basara 3.

I mean, Ieyasu preaching about bonds, then 'killing' Mitsunari's dear Hideyoshi and attacking his friend Motochika. He is the good guy, but sure that shows some hipocrisy...and i love it.

I so want to know how Basara will handle him.
Thats just it, he isn't that blatant All-around, generic Good guy, he has his problems, and his issues.

Most of all the blatant fact that he is a hypocrite.

Of course he has good intentions, but his methods are questionable.

Possibly due to some interference with Hisahide? :sly:
Awesome drama. Capcom did well on focusing in him and Ishida.

[cracktheory]Gee, what if Hisahide is manipulating both Mitsunari and Ieyasu?[/cracktheory]

:sly: :sly:
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Well, she might be strong but she's the example of model wife. She is pretty, cooks well and loves and respects her husband...

I'd want someone more independent, if you get my drift...

Well, among the Basara females Matsu is the one that resembles such a personality the most though.


About 2ch...I get your point (even if I can't see the pic). I must have sounded really obsessed to make you write such a thing...
I get ya, and fully agree. ^_^

And yeah, the basic thing about the whole 2ch/hater thing was just bothering me a bit. I mean, really...just let it go. Because again, opinions are like *** holes, everybody's got one. :hehe:

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Hanbei, i'm not sure, Hanbei without Hideyoshi feels odd to me, but now that i think about it, it could work. I mean i can definitely see him starting his own little revenge thing against Mitsunari and Ieyasu, but Ieyasu convinces him to leave his hatered and join his side, Hanbei does so, but they would probably give it a twist and have him double cross Ieyasu, though i totally see Ieyasu winning in both sides just for the sake of bonds :hehe:


The only way I could see this working is if it DOES turn out that some remnant of Hideyoshi remains (through his son, Hideyaru).

If Hideyaru lives, then Hanbei will obviously will do whatever it takes to safeguard the life and best interests of Hideyoshi's sole heir. With Mitsunari having no real interest in actually ruling the country, and Ieyasu being the one who actually defeated the Toyotomi, I could definitely see a plot line where Hanbei going to great lengths to see Hideyoshi's vision not be snuffed out completely. Even if that might mean actually trying to patch up things with KG... :hehe:
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If I want an ally I can rely on, I just go online and play some Co-Op with MP :P
:sly:

Anyway, Maki, I wouldn't call the 2ch rant obsessive. It was just kinda random and out of nowhere :hehe:

Also, I wouldn't worry about how much effort Capcom decides to put in this. BASARA has always been strong in the animation department with all the characters taunts and victory screens... especially Yoshimoto's. Not to mention the amount of effort they put in the actual Basaras!
From what we've seen, the animations are up to past BASARA standards. From Ieyasu's shoulder flick at the end of his Basara to Mitsunari's crazy fast skills. I'm sure Capcom aren't getting lazy. Plus, IIRC, they are working with the anime team for cut scenes... I reckon this game is going to be a pleasure to look at.

About Hanbei... I dunno. Perhaps he'll make it, but he did die fairly early (not like that really matters coughMotonaricough). There might be a chance he'll join the Eastern army, for the reasons DK stated or he might go to the Western, for a chance to protect Hideyori, as HnB said. It would be a shame to see Capcom scrap him all together though. He had a great design and a awesome seiyuu... If he indeed doesn't make the roster, I'll atleast want to see him in a cutscene.

Hisahide? I definitely want him in.
Capcom can't tease with him any longer, hes just too damn bad ass and plays the role of the gentleman villain superbly. Capcom needs to add him as a PC.

Hmm, shame that theres no news. But I'm with Xanxus, I'm not suprised, but dissapointed. Oh well, we'll get the batch eventually, hopefully within the next two weeks, when they've finally finished the seiyuu updates for Motonari and Motochika...

Anyway, good luck with you exams BK :ph43r:
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The thought of Hisahide pulling the strings behind it all, came to my thought a long time ago. I would go even so far that maybe he ordered Kotaro to use some transformation technique to disguise himself as Ieyasu and slay Hideyoshi.

Even though Ieyasu wasn´t the one who really did it, he saw his chance and took it. It´s just a possibility but that may be how Hisahide did it. My guess really is that Hisahide will be the real villain.
And it fits him. His voice actor also voiced Ali Al-Saachez from Mobile Suit Gundam 00 who also pulled some strings to bring chaos and war to the world in the anime.

I mean, even if Mitsunari is blinded by rage, it seems he still has some human feelings (like saving Yukimura) and he doesn´t really seem like your next door hateable villain. And we know that this role fits Hisahide very well.

As for Hanbei´s reason to fight at Ieyasu´s side?
Well...wasn´t Hideyoshi´s true goal to unite the land and bring peace to it? Even though Ieyasu may have killed Hideoyshi...isn´t he the only one who carries on his dream?

I mean Mitsunari lost sight of the greater cause, blinded by rage, lost sight of Hideyoshi´s goal...so maybe Hanbei hasn´t? He can´t see how Mitsunari´s acts represent Hideyoshi´s will in any way and thus tries to stop Mitsunari´s senseless revenge filled actions, as his last deed. To stop his friend from the futureless acts.

I mean since he sides himself with the likes of Mori...what will happen after he defeats Ieyasu? Will Motonari just sit by and let Mitsunari rule the land under the name of Toyotomi? Will Shingen just sit by, once he gets better and accept just that? And all the other characters, will they just give up, because they fought under the banner of revenge for Toyotomi?

Hanbei might see all this...and even though he hates Ieyasu for killing Hideyoshi...he wants to stop Mitsunari from causing chaos, war and death under the name of Hideyoshi.
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:43 am.
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Sorry for the rant people :( Was in a pretty foul mood that day. I promise you won't see anything like that from me from now on! :sad:

Anyway, about Hanbei...while it'd be weird to see him around without Hideyoshi, in his SB2 story mode he seemed to like Ieyasu, or at least to see hope in his future...while lamenting the fact that he didn't have much time left.

It'd be weird to see a character with a terminal illness returning, while other healthy chars died though :P

I'd prefer Kanbei at this point, personally...as a "true" follower of Hideyoshi's ideals, maybe. Mitsunari seems too lost in revenge for that...
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Well I always assumed because he was terminally ill, Hanbei died shortly after Hideyoshi united Japan, like his ending seems to implies: "just a little longer" etc. But I guess if Mori freakin' Motonari can be alive in the year 1600 anything is possible....
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Thanks MP ^_^ (and Makishima too for the tweet; just taking some rest before devoting the rest of night to study)

Anyway, @HnB, you're mentioning Hideyori right? For a while there I almost thought you wrote Hideyasu (aka. Onimusha's Soki) >_<

Anyway, to be frank, I kinda doubt that Hanbei is still alive at this point. I know this may not be quite related as this is Basara, but in his SB2 ending where the Toyotomi unified Japan, his illness starts to get even worse. Maybe they could take a cue there and make Hanbei already dead around the time Hideyoshi got revolted by Ieyasu.

(But then again I think it could be another possible theory for the detailed background: Since Hanbei is a genius strategist, he should be able to read the tide that Ieyasu is going to stage a revolt. But Hideyoshi was caught off guard by the latter, so that could mean Hanbei may be already dead at the time)

Now I've been wondering which Eastern army characters could have a chance of being included to the SB roster other than Hosokawa (& the confirmed Mogami), since usually the characters in SB have their fiefs/castles to be represented as stages. But when I check the map at Samurai Archives, I wonder which daimyo can be considered....
....wait. Seems like Yamanouchi may actually have a chance since their fief replaces Imagawa... (゚ω゚) (i still don't believe the silhouette is chiyo though, considering the pirate-like design)

I'm also thinking that Toudou Takatora may also stand a chance due to his castle-building skills, but since his Imabara Castle was built after Sekigahara is over... I don't know. But then again this is Basara so he might be possible after all.

And one more thing, If Toshiie and Matsu are returning most likely they will help Ieyasu because historically the main Maeda clan (save our kabukimono) were generally on the East army and Matsu offered herself as hostage to Tokugawa for that. Maybe this time we would see Toshiie vs Keiji, this time with Toshiie not holding anything back since KG is in the west side.
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I'm all for Takatora! From the little I know of him (and his representation in Saihai no Yukue) he'd be a really really interesting character. The Eastern army needs people first of all, and a "mastermind" type strategist too. Who could be better than this trickster who changed masters at the drop of a hat, always increasing his influence in the progress? But even he has this "deceitful" side, he was extremely loyal to Ieyasu, his last master.

Sure, there are the other Shitenno, but for the Tokugawa we might as well swing for originality and insert chars known not only for their battle prowess, like Takatora and Torii Mototada...
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... This might be a stupid question, but precisely which "bonds" is Ieyasu talking about? I mean, he has his bond with Tadakatsu and.... that's it? I guess maybe he has a bond with his men, but isn't that more Motochika's thing?

The way he talks, I would expect some deep relationships with the other major known characters, but it doesn't seem that way...

Or is it just me missing the obvious?


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As far as I know Todo Takatora first served under the Azai, didn´t he?

Hmmm...so his inclusion would not only be fitting for SB3, but is also promising for future installments seeing as he served the Azai, Oda,Toyotomi and Tokugawa.

I´d really like to see him added, alongside Torii Mototada and Hattori Hanzo.

As for Ieyasu´s bonds...he wants to unite the land with the power of bonds. It seems that he makes bonds with characters like Masamune and Yoshiaki(if he´s really in) but fails to do so with the likes of Yukimura and Motochika(only CAPCOM knows why the hell Ieyasu attacked his former friend :/ )

We´ll know more about the bonds thing, when informations finally start to show up ;)
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Well, Basara-wise (and historically too) Ieyasu has a really strong bond with the warriors of Mikawa, who were with him since the start of his "career". Tadakatsu is one of these too...but I guess that the bonds with other people will matter too? We'll see...
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Maybe this time we would see Toshiie vs Keiji, this time with Toshiie not holding anything back since KG is in the west side.
That'd really be something to see.
I was dissapointed that Toshiie got kinda shafted in the anime, only making a brief appearance, but SB3 could give him quite a bit of attention. Plus, weren't Toshiie and Ieyasu friends in SB2 and had some unique quotes with one another? All the more reason for him to join the Eastern army. Although, didn't Hideyoshi name him one of Hideyori's gaurdians before he died? (but seeing as though this is BASARA, historical matters can easily be... twisted) Hmm... it's gunna be interesting to see how this plays out.

Again, about Hisahide, I think hes got a half decent chance. I reckon the game needs a truley villainous antagonist, and seeing as though Nobunagas out, Mitsunari isn't truely evil from what we've seen (though, Yoshitsugu's raid on the Uesugi looks interesting) and Capcoms been teasing with him for a while, I say he's got a shot.

Takatora would also be interesting. It'd be great for the Tokugawa to get more people, and judging by his history, he'd be a pretty inventive character :ph43r:

Edit: Lol, that "inventive" pun wasn't intentional :hehe:
Edited by Manta Punk, Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:39 pm.
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Note that even though Toshiie is kinda minor in the anime (and so do the Motos...), he's gonna get some spotlight in the 13th Ep OVA. And since he's still alive and well with Matsu, we should expect the same in the 2nd season, maybe. :p

Anyway, just found something on 2ch that may change the strength of possibility again. There is another Basara-related book about historical notes on Motochika, and within the table of contents...
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内容紹介
第一章 激動の四国統一
・「悪しき時代」に天下に挑んだ漢
長曾我部元親
・土佐の風雲児
元親の挑戦
・土佐のまほろば
元親の居城・岡豊城
戦国史上最強の傭兵集団・雑賀衆の謎
・『アニキ』と一領具足たち
・四国統一の道
阿波・讃岐・伊予侵攻
・四国征伐
元親軍VS秀吉軍
・元親と長曾我部水軍
・元親探訪
土佐の名城

The Saika-shu is mentioned in it. It seems like the Saika has some kind of relations with the Chosokabe.
Well, then again, in SW2XL Motochika was assisted by Magoichi at one point. Perhaps it could be related to this historical mystery too?

Anyway, to be honest, I have a hard time imagining a Saika Magoichi without a musket. But at this point I won't be surprised if the current silhouette end up being Magoichi... a female Magoichi, with pistols.... still, I feel something fishy about it, but.... argh, better go to sleep soon and not to think about it too deep for now. >.<

A bit offtopic though, I tried searching Saika and Chosokabe, and this is the first result.
http://www8.ocn.ne.jp/~iwsk/
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Well, at this point it comes down to Nana and Magoichi.

We´ll know more in two weeks...though that´s a long time <_<

I really hope the game comes out March 2010. Cause waiting longer than that would be a torture, after such a long time of silence and teasing. :mellow:
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:crazy: I hope matsunaga is in i really do at the moment i'm 50% sure which is not good i should be 100%

Hanbei without Hideyoshi could work but I would put him under Mitsunari (as in a big brother little brother relationship) Hanbei is termanly ill so he can't go off on his own and devise his own plans (his debut was SB2 and they could write him a part in SB3 they SHOULDN'T waste him like that at least make 3 his last appearance)

And from BK's info My hopes for Seeing Mago has risen ^_^ personally if i was desgining Nana i wouldn't give her a gun with such a strong persona, because in a way i'd be drowning motochika (she'd walk all over him with a click of an index finger) and its not like the relationship between NOH & NOBUNAGA (where she wouldn't dare).
Giving her guns symbolically is giving her way to much power IMHO her silhouette looks like she'd kick major ASS "BY HERSELF" but then again I don't know the script or know of the events in SB3 lol but Nana + Guns + Kick ass Design = drowned motochika

But seeing Mago without a musket is kinda weird but that thing on the back of her could be a type of musket/shotgun of some kind but its getting harder to tell :/
Edited by ~in3vitableTIMING~, Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:55 pm.
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I think the thing on her back is a sword with a pistol handle. Because it thins out and loses all shape of a musket, even if it is in a sheath (Which, why would you have a gun in a sheath? ) All of its shape is gone, it just thins too much for it to be a musket IMO.

But i guess it is still possible it is a musket.
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Note that even though Toshiie is kinda minor in the anime (and so do the Motos...), he's gonna get some spotlight in the 13th Ep OVA. And since he's still alive and well with Matsu, we should expect the same in the 2nd season, maybe. :p
Ah, I forgot about that ^_^
Hopefully he'll make slightly more of impact in the 2nd series compared to the 1st...

Anyway, the plot as to who the silhouette is thickens -_-;;
It could very well be a female Magoichi, but I think the design is too piratey for him, especially due to the flintlocks. Plus, the jacket around her waist gives off a Aniki vibe, with his own draped over his shoulders, so I reckon she would be a member of Motochika's crew... (normally I wouldn't have thought the design mattered, but seeing as though shes been stated to have relations with Aniki...)

Still, this is Capcom we're talking about and they've been teasing us with the Saika crest for a while. Although, like the rest of you, I'm finding it hard to picture Mago with anything else other than a musket. Hmm, hopefully our speculation will be put to rest within a couple of weeks, but for now, I'm looking foward to the site update... maybe we'll atleast get some new screens.
Edited by Manta Punk, Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:18 pm.
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I think the thing on her back is a sword with a pistol handle. Because it thins out and loses all shape of a musket, even if it is in a sheath (Which, why would you have a gun in a sheath? ) All of its shape is gone, it just thins too much for it to be a musket IMO.

But i guess it is still possible it is a musket.
surely you haven't watched tak sakaguchi's "death trance"............or ray from gun X sword
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anyways,i'm glad mago isnt out of the picture yet,focussing on nana is depressing for me since i'm not much of a big fan of her.....(don't kill me....ANIKI!!!!!!!! :ph43r: )
Edited by wodash, Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:03 am.
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Apparently the Saika were quite involved with both the Chosokabe and the Date too...well, I'm sure they'll be able to do good things with him.....her?

At this point, I don't know what to think anymore....Nana or Mago? Someone else? But who? Hmm...

Yoshitsugu was shown almost one month later they showed Yukimura's voice clip. Will KG and our mistery female receive the same treatment...?

By the way, one month has almost passed since Yoshitsugu's reveal...

Let's hope they speed up the pace from now on...
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i think we'll see vids for the motos &yoshitsugu first before they reveal KG and the mystery girl(?)......

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A female Magoichi? This would be very, very interesting to see, not to mention too good a chance to pass up some delicious fanart. I think Magoichi found the most beautiful girl in all of Japan... himself, er, herself!

Now I'm really hoping it's Mago... I NEED TO DO THAT FANART.
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