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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
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Also, Ben, don´t forget that he´d have a pretty damn fine story.

Not only would he represent the Takenaka clan, who fought at Sekigahara on Ieyasu´s side...but again, add a deep story.

I mean the man who struggled to finally realize Hideyoshi´s dream of a united peacefull land, now fights on the side of Ieyasu, the one responsible for the death of Hideyoshi. Even though he´s tormented by his illness and his feelings of fighting side by side for the man who killed his lord and friend, he still continues since it´s the only way for Hideyoshi´s dream to still come true. Mitsunari´s actions, who rampages trough the land under the name of Hideyoshi, hold no future and maybe he even tries to stop Mitsunari from bringing more chaos to land, which Hideyoshi didn´t wish for.

Also I like his weapon, his design and his voice actor. He´s like a japanese super-hero zorro. In purple. Damn, I´ll say it, I love him. And if we can´t have Hideyoshi, at least let us play as the man who admired and understood him the most.
Heh heh. Well said! ^_^

But yeah, I do agree. The main thing that could really serve as a good conflict for Hanbei would be Ieyasu on one hand, and Mitsunari on the other. Mitsunari clearly doesn't care for uniting the land, and yet fights for Hideyoshi's "sake" meaninglessly and destructively. That's got to piss Hanbei off.

If Hideyoshi's son/heir is indeed not going to show up in the BASARA-verse any time soon (or at least, not this game), then that only does more to remove a need for Hanbei to side with Mitsunari. Mitsunari serves a delusion based on the "name", while Hanbei would side with Ieyasu on the basis of the "dream". It's the stuff that would make for great drama.


Then there's the unresolved business with KG. Yeah, the two had a great deal of falling out, some where between KG Gaiden and SB2. But now, the man they both looked to as a dear friend is gone. (Ideal reference moment, as Koba alludes to?) Meanwhile, Sekigahara stands to be the battle that will, ultimately, decide the fate of the country. The stakes are higher than they've ever been.

Some where, between Hanbei, as always, looking at the "big picture", and KG being willing to fight one more time, to hopefully end wars and the suffering of innocents, might lie the opportunity for two estranged friends to at least come to an understanding, if not possibly unite as friends.

...Such a pretty picture painted in my imagination...don't disappoint me, Koba.
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Some guy on 2ch went to see the event, but as he apparently isn't too knowledgeable about Basara, he gave no details about the new video (but he said there was one). Let's hope it can reach the net somehow...

Anyway, the only interesting thing seems to be Mitsunari's seiyuu saying

"Lord Hideyoshi, allow me to decapitate those who dare leaving their cellphones on...!"


EDIT: more info have arisen....the new video they showed featured Magoichi. (what, she jumped ahead of the Motos, Yoshitsugu and Hondam? Or maybe the person reporting saw only hers?)

and....this is gonna piss some people off....


but apparently Kanetsugu will remain an NPC. He appeared in Maggie's vid, just like he was before...and in the question corner, someone asked Koba if they planned no make him a PC, but they denied any such plans.


So now we'll see a Sekigahara-centered game with the sole playable member of the Uesugi army being.....Maeda Keiji....?


Koba, I love Basara, but you're sure putting me to the test.....
Edited by Nine Demons Yoshitaka, Sun Dec 6, 2009 12:31 pm.
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Hmm, someone just added on the info about the Niigata talkshow. Apparently Kobayashi is becoming one hell of a troll. >_>

I open this first with an apology to MP. Apparently Kanetsugu will stay NPC, and someone even asked whether he would consider making him unique, but the way he answers the question seems to imply a No.
So once again sorry, guess SB Kanetsugu might always stay as a unique '"muteki"' generic, and you'll have to stay content with Yoshitsugu. :(

And about the new movie, apparently it's Magoichi's gameplay movie. No words on Yoshitsugu or other characters' though.
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:mellow:

I...well...he...what... :mellow:

Maybe...I´ll find...some words later....

So he made Kenshin and Kasuga NPCs...Kanetsugu stays a generic...and the one to lead the Uesugi is...Keiji? Really? So he´s Kenshin´s adopted son now and I´ll call him Uesugi Keiji now...that´s the only way I can live with it.

Wait...Kenshin is a NPC...Ujimasa might not be in the game or only as a NPC...the same goes for Itsuki...and no Kanetsugu...what the hell happens to the ice element? :OMG:

Is that cut too? :mellow:

EDIT:

Also Ben, you were right:

http://www.amazon.com/Sengoku-Basara-Samurai-Heroes-Playstation-3/dp/B002X9KYFW

28th September...it´s release allmost at the same time...also I saw that the seventh vol. of the anime can be bought as DVD...that´s the one with the 13th episode of the Sengoku BASARA anime, right? I want to watch it now... :/

And wow...BK got let down with Nana, MP got let down with Kanetsugu...I see black for my BASARA version of Kojiro :mellow:
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Sun Dec 6, 2009 1:07 pm.
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Ah man, that stings, real bad. Not only does it get rid of his chances for this game, but also any future ones :(

Argh, that was a low blow Kobayashi. Getting my hopes up by assuming you were going to announce Kanetsugu, having the talk show in Niigata, but yet you do the complete opposite!

Ah well, such is life. If you could get over Nana BK, I'm sure I'll be able to do the same. I have Yoshitsugu at least, not to mention some of my past favourites like Keiji and Motonari. Their inclusion alone would be enough to make me buy the game.

Still... KOBAYASHI!!!

Well, while I get over the fact Kanetsugu will never make it as a PC, I'm looking foward to the Mago video. Hopefully I'll able to see some Yoshi to heal the wounds :/
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Well, I might have phrased that wrong, but he didn't say they will never make him a PC. Just for this time, so at the very least his future inclusion is not precluded by any means.


But...I see you're quick at recovering, MP...maybe because we've had our expectations betrayed so many times that we've become slightly apathetic?

Look what you did to us, KOBAYASHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!
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Sun Dec 6, 2009 1:31 pm
But...I see you're quick at recovering, MP...
LOL, does it seem that way?

I guess my post did come off as a bit calm, but I'm still depressed inside. I kinda wanted rage in caps lock, but BK managed to keep his emotions under control and I thought it best to act mature about the situation. Its kind of funny, last month, through all that draught, I was probably more happy about the game than I am now.

Anyway, I got Yoshi, and if I started whinging about Kanetsugu, I'd feel kinda greedy, especially when most of the users are wondering wether there favs will make it :/

Well, the game is still BASARA and I'm looking foward as to seeing how Keiji will lead the Uesugi. I suppose if Koba and crew ever do get around to changing Kanetsugu into a PC, I'll be grateful. As of now, well, he ain't really my best friend. :meantongue:

About the elements... they do seem to be getting rid of alot of the Ice users... I wonder if the new characters will make up for it.

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Hmm, do I really look that calm? :hehe:

Well, then again there's also another, actual bad news in the batch, so maybe that's why I feeling calmer. In case you guys haven't noticed yet, usually when there's a bad news I try to deliver it in a cautious way. But this time I posted outright about the Uesugi turning NPC.

Heh, guess that's one of the ways I can circumvent my anger from disappointment. :meantongue:
But then again even though she is a popular choice here, she isn't in Japan. Ah well, in the end, it's a dream within a dream... :mellow:

EDIT: Added impressions from the Niigata talkshow, apparently Kanetsugu is really becoming a unique generic. Magoichi's video takes place in Uesugi's snowy map, and Kanetsugu is reported to be wearing the trademark love-crested helmet.
Edited by BlackKite, Sun Dec 6, 2009 2:22 pm.
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Hmm, do I really look that calm? :hehe:

Well, then again there's also another, actual bad news in the batch, so maybe that's why I feeling calmer. In case you guys haven't noticed yet, usually when there's a bad news I try to deliver it in a cautious way. But this time I posted outright about the Uesugi turning NPC.

Heh, guess that's one of the ways I can circumvent my anger from disappointment. :meantongue:
But then again even though she is a popular choice here, she isn't in Japan. Ah well, in the end, it's a dream within a dream... :mellow:

EDIT: Added impressions from the Niigata talkshow, apparently Kanetsugu is really becoming a unique generic. Magoichi's video takes place in Uesugi's snowy map, and Kanetsugu is reported to be wearing the trademark love-crested helmet.
Ah well, hearing Kanetsugu's fate was one of the more harsher blows, thanks Kobayashi :angry:

now I'm super pissed and, mind you ,you do NOT want ME pissed.

How can they make Kanetsugu a unique GENERIC. thats basically taking a regular generic and just slapping a "love" helmet on :hmmm:
(unless of course you meant they made him unique altogether)

They might as well have gave him a unique design while they were at it and make us fans happy. How can only Keiji lead the Uesugi. I mean I know that Kenshin and Kasuga are still alive and Kenshin is still leading (I hope) but why have only one guy represent the whole army, especially since Kanetsugu would have been more logical (and by logical I mean kick*** awsome :shifty: )

Well BK can you give us a link to the Mago video? me wanna see Mago
kicking *** and takin' names :XD
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Unique generic officer....c'mon, couldn't they have made him into a NPC then....?

Usually it was Generic officer - NPC - PC....

But now there's a grade more, in between?

If these disappointments continue, thinking that the game will be successful just because the fangirls have their favorites....

Kobayashi's in for a world of hurt.
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EDIT: Added impressions from the Niigata talkshow, apparently Kanetsugu is really becoming a unique generic. Magoichi's video takes place in Uesugi's snowy map, and Kanetsugu is reported to be wearing the trademark love-crested helmet.
Ok... wait... what?

I suppose it heals the pain a bit, but it makes you wonder why they didn't just completely turn him into a UNPC. Like NDY said, there appears to be a extra grade between generic and NPC.
Generic officer - A more unique generic officer - NPC - PC.

Hmm, I don't really know what to think on this. Its nice he has something that distingueshs himself other that the "Muteki" act, but why not go the extra mile to please fans and make him totally unique :wacko:

Anyway, surely we'll get a gameplay vid of Yoshi and the others as well as Mago... I mean, we've been waiting nearly two months to see how a Yoshi plays and Mago wasn't even revealed a week ago... Koba, how your mind works, we'll never know.
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Please, don´t be offended by the vid, if you are the type to feel like that easily or are easily offended by the black humor south park uses, don´t watch the video.

But I can´t help to think that Kobayashi really makes decisions like that.

Well, back to the topic, were there cams allowed? Or was this a non-film festival. Normally we´d get some vid by now, so I´m wondering if we´ll even see something. :/

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Seki-san threatened to decapitate anyone who'd use a cell phone...so I presume that there wouldn't be cams allowed...but I'd love to be wrong....
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Guys do you know is there any posibility of Mitsuhide. I know, he died at 1582 but Mori Motonari died at 1571, right?
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Guys do you know is there any posibility of Mitsuhide. I know, he died at 1582 but Mori Motonari died at 1571, right?
First of all, allow me to welcome you to this forum. ^_^

However unfortunately, Kobayashi has clearly explained that Mitsuhide is one of the characters who are already dead in the storyline and thus won't appear physically in the game. :(

And historical lifespan has little to none to do here, because this is Basara. Heck, Shingen and Kenshin are still alive in this setting, although Shingen is a bit too ill to command his army. :rolleyes:

_________

Anyway, a couple more reports before I call it a day.

KG is confirmed to have a crush on Maggie.
And Kobayashi said that the current number of revealed characters is still less than 1/3 of the total characters appearing in SB3.
But who knows how much % of them are NPCs, or even as event NPCs *coughoyakatasamacough* *runs*
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First of all, thanks :)

Why did they killed Mitsuhide. He is favorite of a lot of player. And Capcom cut him on Devil Kings most of NA and EU players couldn't play with him. Well, i'm happy becouse of Motonari and Motochika. At least I will play with them.
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Keiji will have crush on Magoichi, eh? One more interesting thing from him.

Wonder how it will be in the game.
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Anyway, a couple more reports before I call it a day.

KG is confirmed to have a crush on Maggie.
And Kobayashi said that the current number of revealed characters is still less than 1/3 of the total characters appearing in SB3.
Well, these two infos have brightened my mood.

KG and his antics are always a pleasure to watch, and now with interactions with a new character, his story just gets deeper. Heh, Capcom could make this relationship gold. Keiji and his easy going life style having a crush on the apparently up tight Mago? This is one of Koba's better ideas :sly:

And with the current characters still equaling less than 1/3 than the complete roster... w00t! To be honest, I was worried about how many characters we were going to get. This is BASARA's first try on a Next Gen console and with having to update past characters with new skills and all that jazz, I was worried we wouldn't see too many. Still, I'm not getting my hopes up. Its as you said, just how many will actually be playable, Kobayashi?

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Why did they killed Mitsuhide. He is favorite of a lot of player. And Capcom cut him on Devil Kings most of NA and EU players couldn't play with him. Well, i'm happy becouse of Motonari and Motochika. At least I will play with them.

Now that you've said that... the NA and EU haven't really had the chance to try out Mitsuhide, have they? First they axe Reaper from DK and now they cut Mitsuhide from SB3... No matter, we'll be seeing him in future, as Koba promised. :)
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Don't worry guys, I'm sure we'll see all our NPCs playable someday ^_^ Capcom's probably just trying out SB3 on the PS3 first and get everything ready for the eventual sequel with everyone inside :ph43r:
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No matter, we'll be seeing him in future, as Koba promised. :)
Koba, keep your promise or I'll find you. Then i will be Mitsuhide :lol:
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Ok, I'm gunna try out some of my maths skills and see how many characters we should be expecting to appear.

Well, Koba said we don't even have 1/3 of the roster yet and we currently have 12 characters: Ieyasu, Mitsunari, Masamune, Yukimura, Yoshitsugu, Hondam, Aniki, Motonari, Maggie, KG, Kenshin and Kasuga. So lets presume we have around 1/3 of the characters. 12 X 3 = 36.

So we have around 36 characters, including NPCs and PCs.

Right, so add the rest of characters onto the previous 12: Sasuke, Shingen, Kojuro, Toshiie, Matsu, Hisahide, Kotaro, Ujimasa, Kennyo, Oichi, Musashi, Zabii and Itsuki. So, if I haven't missed anyone, thats another 13 and 13 + 12 = 25.

Well, going by this logic, we should expect to see around... 11 new characters! :OMG:

Well, assuming I haven't made a hick-up in my maths, Kobayashi has the right to be so cocky. Bloomin' hell!

EDIT: I forgot Hideyoshi and Hanbei... (;;;^_^)
Still, 9 new characters...
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I don't think they will add all of them. Well, I don't want Hideyoshi, Zabi, Itsuki and Kennyo. They are sucks. If they don't add them, we will have 13 new characters^^
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Please, don´t be offended by the vid, if you are the type to feel like that easily or are easily offended by the black humor south park uses, don´t watch the video.

But I can´t help to think that Kobayashi really makes decisions like that.

Well, back to the topic, were there cams allowed? Or was this a non-film festival. Normally we´d get some vid by now, so I´m wondering if we´ll even see something. :/

LMAO!! I can just imagine the office meeting

Koba: OK! whos next

Lacky:Nohime!!

koba grabs chicken.... BANG!!! *Chicken runs in circles and dies... on cut*

Lacky: annnnnnnnnnnnd SHES OUT!

Dude that vid really made my day, but has anyone managed to upload the Mago vid at all??
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Well MP, I´m gonna do it too then :P

If we can believe Kobyashi at least a bit...he said less then 1/3.

I´ll count it like that:

We now know it´ll be a summer release. That means we now have January: Reveals chained character and Yoshihiro + 2 NPCs/PCs.
February: Again 4 characters.
March: 4 characters
April: 4 characters
May: 4 characters
Juni: 4 characters

We allready know of 10 playable characters and 2 NPCs.
So count in the 24 from above and TA-DAAAA you have a reasonable point for MPs theory of 36 characters.

Count in the fact that Kobyashi said less than 1/3 and that the character updates may intensify close to the SB3 release we really might see a 40+ character roster, with around 6-8 characters being NPCs...which sucks, since it´d mean there are "only" 32 playable characters. And SB2:H allready had 25 playable character and if you count in all the half characters and clones they were 27. So 32 isn´t much of an improvement. :mellow:

Personally I´d at least want to see a 36 playable character roster, with only around 4 to 6 NPCs.

Afterall...Kobayashi let us down MAAAAANY times for now...he should make up with something and at least hold his promise of more characters than SB2...and screw NPCs, those aren´t characters. <_<
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Afterall...Kobayashi let us down MAAAAANY times for now...he should make up with something and at least hold his promise of more characters than SB2...and screw NPCs, those aren´t characters. <_<
So your favorite character isn't a character? :wacko:

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