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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,256 Views)
Matsunaga Hisahide
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Sun Dec 6, 2009 8:18 pm
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Sun Dec 6, 2009 8:09 pm
Afterall...Kobayashi let us down MAAAAANY times for now...he should make up with something and at least hold his promise of more characters than SB2...and screw NPCs, those arenīt characters. <_<
So your favorite character isn't a character? :wacko:

Well...sadly. :(

Just kidding :P

I meant it related to Kobayashiīs statement, saying that less than 1/3 of the acutall character roster is revealed.

Nice and good, that Mr. Krazy counts them to the overall character roster, but as a player, I donīt care about NPCs.

Itīs like releasing a Tekken game, say that there are now over 50 characters in the game, but in the end the roster youīll select your characters out are just 30, since the rest of them are secret sub-bosses.

Sounds great, eh? Thatīs what players want, characters they canīt play as. Thatīs what games for, right? To look and not play. :rolleyes:

Even Devil May Cry 4 has now more than two characters, since you can count in all the NPC bosses and other characters.

It probably really turns out to be like Super Smash Bros. Brawlīs Dojo. Expecting us to go nuts, because of a assist trophy update with a wanted character we canīt play as or a story mode boss update. I mean who cares that Ridley is a boss in a Single player mode, that youīll probably play two times, when everyone wanted to play as him? Who cares that Isaac from Golden Sun and Grey Fox from MGS are in the game, if all they do is appear in 1 out of 10 matches?

Those arenīt characters, those are just objects, items. You need NPCs to talk to or fight against. They shouldnīt be considered acutall characters nor counted to the characters you can play as.
If Kobyashi thinks that Kasuga and Kenshin are characters, great for him. For me they were characters. Now they are just a part of the game, a part of a level. Just like Hisahide was. I had to accept the fact that heīs not playable and that he just appears in two or three stages and thatīs it.

And now that I thought about it. MP, if we are right and the overall character roster really is 36...thatīd mean there are at least 2 NPCs, which reduces it to 34 playable characters. Count in that characters like Shingen or Ujimasa are NPCs too...and youīll probably get a total playable character number of 30 or less characters.

Thatīd be...lame :hmmm:
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Sun Dec 6, 2009 9:34 pm.
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Just read the stuff about Kobayashi. That stuff is pretty depressing, and such a tease.

I guess really, all there is to look forward to are the new characters. So far they're turning out pretty cool. Compared to the original cast, Tokugawa and Mitsunari are absolutely outstanding characters. Saika certainly looks like she'd be a blast to play as. Here's hoping the rest of the cast are as likeable as the first three characters revealed.
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What was Koba's excuse for not adding these characters? What an idiot. This is not Devil May Cry. This game however hasn't had 4 installments to just let him do anything he wants with it lol. He's trying to sell Devil Kings with an unfamiliar title (SB: SM). Shouldn't he be trying to add in as many characters as he can?

This is just utter garbage that he is spewing. I hope he's getting ready to see low numbers.
Edited by eklineage, Mon Dec 7, 2009 12:40 am.
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And SB2:H allready had 25 playable character and if you count in all the half characters and clones they were 27. So 32 isnīt much of an improvement. :mellow:
But BASARA 2 Heroes had 30 playable characters all together + the NPCs / Named officers (Matsunaga, Gohon Yari, Miyoshi Death Trio, Kanetsugu). So if it WAS 32 it would be a very small difference (well they would all most likely be unique ... but still the point stands.

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That 1/3 thing was really welcome information. Hope Koba didn't spew bull**** this time too.

Anyway, let me take a stab at math too:

We have 12 characters, which comprise 1/3 (for convenience's sake) of the roster.

And this'd mean we're gonna see another 24 characters.

Let's take care of the past guys still "in doubt":

Fuuma Kotaro (popular and still alive...he's probably in)

Matsunaga Hisahide (popular but not alive...but he can make it)

Toshiie and Matsu (maybe not so popular, but still alive. and we need women. They're in)

Ujimasa and Kennyo (unpopular and dead. They're out)

Oichi (I hope she's out. But I guess she has a chance. Let's put her in for now)

Musashi (Sekigahara is his battle. If Yoshihiro is in, why not him?)

Itsuki and Zabii (original chars, so time has no effect on them...let's put them in for now)

Hideyoshi and Hanbei (I'm putting them out...Hideyoshi is confirmed dead, and Hanbei would be difficult IMO)

This makes 8 more characters (If I haven't forgot anyone else). So...20. And we'd see other 16 people!!


Assuming that the PC to NPC ratio is the same as SB2, we had a 30 character roster of 22 PCs and 8 NPCs.

A little more than 1/3 then.

If this time we're having a 35-character roster, the NPCs will be...13?

That looks like an absurd number....but hey....the playable characters will be more than 25. That's a good number, especially because lots of them will be all-new chars.


Imagine that if they bring back the old cast too in SB3H, we might even end up with a 50 PC roster.............awesome. (Yeah, I'm probably going crazy here...)

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just be thankful if the 36 character thing is true,it may be a good first attempt from capcom if that's the case.

DW6 cuts MANY characters,makes half of the playables as clones and doesnt give new characters at all......

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At the very least you get an extra skin to play with the moveset. Nonetheless, it's not that they can't add it in. It's cuz they want to come out with SB3H to milk more money.
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Hideyoshi and Hanbei (I'm putting them out...Hideyoshi is confirmed dead, and Hanbei would be difficult IMO)


Like I and DK talked about before, Hanbei wouldn't be too difficult, in my eyes.

First of all, like Motonari, he could do more to take over the role that his son occupied. The Takenaka were a part of Sekigahara, and barring they actually introduce Hanbei's son (which Koba basically said was not happening, since no more peeps from the same clan are slated to appear), we might as well stick with Hanbei.

Couple that he's a quite popular character teamed up with a fangirl fave voice actor (Akira Ishida), and I think his chances could be good.

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Oichi (I hope she's out. But I guess she has a chance. Let's put her in for now)


Much like Hanbei, I wouldn't be so quick to count her out yet.

Like Hanbei, she could easily slide into a role that could easily be a sort of play on what her descendant, Yodo-dono/ChaCha occupied. Or something more original, like in her HEROES storyline. I dunno, "THIS.IS.BASARA."(tm) after all. :hehe:

But more importantly, Ichi is voiced Mamiko Noto, and thus, effectively makes her THE single most important female character to a lot of Japanese male BASARA fans. If she's out, that would do a lot to piss off a great deal of male fans, who might actually be ready to throw their hands up, say something akin to "**** this game!" and kill a lot of potential sales.

Koba-tachi are obviously either extremely daring, or outright fool-hardy, for doing all that they're doing with SB3. But I think it would be a very, VERY cold day in hell, before they toss away a character that they spent time and money building up in HEROES, gave her own "Image Song", and made her the BASARA darling for male fans.

...Course, Koba has been doing a lot to certainly surprise me lately. So who knows? XD


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they also made matsunaga a booming phenomenon in SB2H,that doesnt stop koba from pissing matsunaga fans either,so we can say the same for oichi's fate

non importers will less likely ever get to play as mitsuhide,hanbei,hideyoshi,nagamasa,fuuma and the "will most likely be killed in debut appearance" trio(yoshimoto,ujimasa,kennyo) anytime soon IMO
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I'm thinking Matsunaga may be "saved", as well.

For one, Koba said that the main "reason" that they didn't want him playable in SBBH, was because, if I remember correctly, they didn't think that game would be a "fitting medium" for Matsunaga to be playable for the first time. If they didn't have any intention of having him available some time soon (in SB3), then really, what was the basis of that reason?

For two, like I said in the other topic about "cut chars", Matsunaga has the added benefit of not only representing himself, he also does a lot to represent the Miyoshi, as well as possibly their close relatives, the Ogasawara (who did indeed oppose Ieyasu in Sekigahara). Barring Koba-tachi having plans to add in reps for either of these clans, Matsunaga could work as the rep for these clans still.

After all, I liked how he and Musashi actually had a sort of "friendly" exchange in HEROES. Possible precursor for how the Ogasawara and Musashi would be on friendly terms by after the war of 1615? Who knows, but for the sakes of BASARA, it might as well work.

Besides, again, Motonari does a lot to showcase how they can be darn "selective" when it comes to historical accuracy. And since a lot of what Hisahide has done in BASARA-verse has been anachronistic any way...why not keep a good villain around like him? :hehe:
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I am really concerned right now about Ice element users:

Itsuki might stay since she is an original character and not burdened by some semi-balance of timeline, but then again they could take her out if they wanted to.

Hojo seems to be very unpopular (which is a shame because the clan has such rich history and IMO Koei did such a fantastic job with Ujiyasu in SM3 that I wish

Ujimasa was done in a more serious manor) and could be getting the boot.

Kenshin is NPC.


Things aren't looking good. We need to get some new Ice users in the game fast, lol. ... *scratches chin* ... Otani or Maggie w/ Ice Element would be pretty nasty ... (one can hope!)
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I have no complaints so far audio wise. The sb3 theme sounds epic... like always.
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Hideyoshi and Hanbei (I'm putting them out...Hideyoshi is confirmed dead, and Hanbei would be difficult IMO)


Like I and DK talked about before, Hanbei wouldn't be too difficult, in my eyes.

First of all, like Motonari, he could do more to take over the role that his son occupied. The Takenaka were a part of Sekigahara, and barring they actually introduce Hanbei's son (which Koba basically said was not happening, since no more peeps from the same clan are slated to appear), we might as well stick with Hanbei.

Couple that he's a quite popular character teamed up with a fangirl fave voice actor (Akira Ishida), and I think his chances could be good.

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Much like Hanbei, I wouldn't be so quick to count her out yet.

Like Hanbei, she could easily slide into a role that could easily be a sort of play on what her descendant, Yodo-dono/ChaCha occupied. Or something more original, like in her HEROES storyline. I dunno, "THIS.IS.BASARA."(tm) after all. :hehe:

But more importantly, Ichi is voiced Mamiko Noto, and thus, effectively makes her THE single most important female character to a lot of Japanese male BASARA fans. If she's out, that would do a lot to piss off a great deal of male fans, who might actually be ready to throw their hands up, say something akin to "**** this game!" and kill a lot of potential sales.

Koba-tachi are obviously either extremely daring, or outright fool-hardy, for doing all that they're doing with SB3. But I think it would be a very, VERY cold day in hell, before they toss away a character that they spent time and money building up in HEROES, gave her own "Image Song", and made her the BASARA darling for male fans.

...Course, Koba has been doing a lot to certainly surprise me lately. So who knows? XD


Well, I wasn't stating anything as fact. Those were just my two cents, anyway...for the sake of counting.


You think Hanbei has chances to make it in, well...of course it's not impossible, but I honestly hope Koba doesn't cater to the fangirls so much...even though he could potentially have a nicee story, maybe...

About Oichi, since as you say more than her as character the importance lies in her seiyuu, what stops them from making her voice another char? It's happened in Basara before (Yoshimoto and Zabii), and it would be easier to set a new character in the story than Oichi, who's lost all characters she was connected with...


You're looking too deep in history, man. You know better than me that Basara doesn't fly that way...

I bet Koba doesn't even know who the Ogasawara are...
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He may, he may not.

I simply say, keep it simple. Hisahide does a great job of covering all 3 clans decently, and could still keep his presence.


Any way...I suppose you are right about Noto getting another role. But if it was still going to be a thing of inevitably comparing a new character to Ichi, part of me says you might as well stick with the original char.

Besides, with no son of Hideyoshi present, that effectively does a lot to kill a possibility for some one like Yodo-dono. Maybe by SB4, which will likely have 1615 as the focus. 8D
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Man imagine if SB added a CAW system to this game.
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Well MP, Iīm gonna do it too then :P

If we can believe Kobyashi at least a bit...he said less then 1/3.

Iīll count it like that:

We now know itīll be a summer release. That means we now have January: Reveals chained character and Yoshihiro + 2 NPCs/PCs.
February: Again 4 characters.
March: 4 characters
April: 4 characters
May: 4 characters
Juni: 4 characters

We allready know of 10 playable characters and 2 NPCs.
So count in the 24 from above and TA-DAAAA you have a reasonable point for MPs theory of 36 characters.

Count in the fact that Kobyashi said less than 1/3 and that the character updates may intensify close to the SB3 release we really might see a 40+ character roster, with around 6-8 characters being NPCs...which sucks, since itīd mean there are "only" 32 playable characters. And SB2:H allready had 25 playable character and if you count in all the half characters and clones they were 27. So 32 isnīt much of an improvement. :mellow:

Personally Iīd at least want to see a 36 playable character roster, with only around 4 to 6 NPCs.

Afterall...Kobayashi let us down MAAAAANY times for now...he should make up with something and at least hold his promise of more characters than SB2...and screw NPCs, those arenīt characters. <_<
Call it optomism, but I have a strong feeling we won't be seeing any clone movesets this time around for a good reason: all the clones won't appear in the game.

Kennyo and Ujimasa are out for sure. Neither have any relevance to Sekigahara, nor were either of them popular enough to warrant a bending of the rules (ala Motochika and Motonari). Ieyasu has been revamped, and if Toshiie appears, he's more than likely an NPC. If not, then he'd be the only spear user left anyway.

I see no reason why Capcom would repeat cloning characters again outside of NPC's (most of which I believe will be formerly playable characters).
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Hearing that the characters I'd like to play the most as are NPCs makes me a sad panda... now I wish the Wii was region free so I could've played SB2 years ago with those chars playable...
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Apparently,a friend of mine from Japan has contacts from Capcom.We might be expecting SB3 to be released in early 2010,and there are still no plans for the PS2 YET.Now that's cool.They say they are still concentrating on the new gen consoles.I believe they had already listed the characters that would be out of the game,and they are still brainstorming for new characters.
Edited by Raiga Kagekami, Mon Dec 7, 2009 12:55 pm.
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Wait, what? We have an inside source? Now this is amazing!!!!

I'm sure your friend risked a lot just to tell you this, but I wonder if he can't disclose anything more?


As long as he isn't trolling you....(with all due respect)
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Wait, what? We have an inside source? Now this is amazing!!!!

I'm sure your friend risked a lot just to tell you this, but I wonder if he can't disclose anything more?


As long as he isn't trolling you....(with all due respect)
Im risking myself and HER bout this as well.But these are just questions that don't give a direct answer,like I asked when SB3 is going to release,of course they can't give a direct answer,they're still working on the game,and so they said "Early 2010".And then I asked bout new characters,and then they said they are still brainstorming for moar characters,yeah.

So I hope I can ask moar in the next month,maybe :rolleyes: I wanted to suggest they announce moar Eastern forces characters,but my friend had to go at that time,so sorry guys.
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^Uh, sorry, but I doubt what your friend said is true. Capcom has confirmed in the latest batch that the game will be out in Summer 2010, which means ranging from June to August. That's already nowhere near 'early 2010'... :/

And anyway, like there's still a company who cares about PS2 in Japan now. It's already on its last throes now, and furthermore apparently most of those companies which developed mediocre games for PS2 have moved to the PSP. :rolleyes:
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Owo...maybe I did read wrongly or I remembered wrongly....Yeah now that you mention Summer 2010,now that sounds familliar >.< Perhaps they did say Summer 2010,and I just remembered it wrongly owo.Sorry guys :3
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Play ot Safe Raiga!!!

and with NO Kanetsugu...i don get more Hopes for the New characters...

No more Expectations...whoever comes...Good News
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Next month? Your friend is a busy one. I'd ask her if the 1/3 thing is true, and how many NPCs we're going to see....but I guess they are questions a bit too precise...

After all sometimes people on 2ch come here (mainly for the pics archive) so if they got wind of this, and it spread over there, it would be GG for this brave heroine...
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Yeah,I'll try to play safe and if I get any specific info,I'll have to keep it to myself >.< But these is just a peek of what is going on at Capcom.I hope it proves kind of useful here.
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