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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,255 Views)
yashgupta_21
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Oichi (I hope she's out. But I guess she has a chance. Let's put her in for now)
I WANT OICHI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :wub:
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MIT-SU-HI-DE. Why did he died :'( Ressurect him Capcom:) BTW, will they add a co-op and multiplayer mode? If they add them, it will be AWESOME.
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MIT-SU-HI-DE. Why did he died :'( Ressurect him Capcom:) BTW, will they add a co-op and multiplayer mode? If they add them, it will be AWESOME.
The Co-op online it's been confirmed
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yashgupta_21
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MIT-SU-HI-DE. Why did he died :'( Ressurect him Capcom:) BTW, will they add a co-op and multiplayer mode? If they add them, it will be AWESOME.
The Co-op online it's been confirmed
REALLY! :OMG:

That's great news!
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Mon Dec 7, 2009 7:16 pm
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Mon Dec 7, 2009 6:55 pm
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Mon Dec 7, 2009 6:47 pm
MIT-SU-HI-DE. Why did he died :'( Ressurect him Capcom:) BTW, will they add a co-op and multiplayer mode? If they add them, it will be AWESOME.
The Co-op online it's been confirmed
REALLY! :OMG:

That's great news!
Great? It's not enough. It is AWESOME. I will play this game with my friends. Thanks.
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Matsunaga Hisahide
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Hmmm...so no vids for now? :/

I wonder if we´ll see a video this week...but I doubt it. They´ll probably show us Masamune´s and Yukimura´s vids first (Wohoo? :huh: )

Afterall the let downs, I´d really like to see some awesome videos with Magoichi. Or even Aniki, Motonari, Tadakatsu, Keiji, Yoshitsugu....or just ANY NEW video would be cool at that point.

I mean afterall, we heard that they allready have a lot of demo videos...well four isn´t really a lot...and if you get the same vids on hand cam version, HQ version and then original site version...it really gets lame... :mellow:

Well for now, I´ll say it again, I´ll forgive Kobyashi everything, if he adds my favourite killing machine Kotaro along with the cunning super villain Hisahide and doesn´t NPC my favourite female Matsu. :D

Don´t screw up, Kobayashi. :hmmm:
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Mon Dec 7, 2009 8:21 pm.
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Hmm, it would of been nice to see that Mago video. I'm liking the sound of how she plays, I just need to see it. Plus, with a new stage and a... upgraded Kanetsugu, hopefully Koba won't be too stingy revealing it.

But, assuming we do get, I'm betting it'll be after Masamune's and Yukimura's have been put up, obviously :rolleyes:

Still, getting a Mago vid before a Yoshi one is rubbing me the wrong way. We've been waiting quite the while to see Yoshi's game play style and with Mago just recently announced... It seems kinda random. I mean, just when will we see a Yoshi vid, eh, Kobayashi?

Anyway, the thing about Oichi, I'm wondering about it as well. Koba wasn't very informative on his answer wether she'll be in or not... "Thats a secret"... Well, if she is in, I'm wondering what purpose she'll serve. It doesn't matter wether shes a NPC or a PC, including her in the game will mean she'll have to play some role in the events... Hmmm...
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Matsunaga Hisahide
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Well, it´s easy to pick a really good story for Hanbei...I mean the drama is here with loyalty, friendships, betrayal, etc. and with Hanbei´s voice actor, he´d set the right emotions on the right time.

But for Oichi...well...without Nobunaga, Nagamasa and Katusie...I don´t really see much point having her in.

I mean now that characters like Kenshin and Kasuga have been NPC´d, who would have more than one reason to be in Sekigahara with a story and be playable...I don´t see why Ichi should have the right to be somewhat special. Forcing some sort of weird drama story into Sekigahara without any real connections to other characters...NPC or PC...is just wrong.

I just don´t see ANY reason why she should be in as a playable character. Maybe if they add ChaCha as a playable character and add her along with Oichi as a NPC to support her daughter...then well, so be it.

But just Oichi? 100% no. :meantongue:
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Mon Dec 7, 2009 8:59 pm.
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Well if SB3 is not to your liking... you can always play other games while waiting for SB3H.
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Heh, I just realised, this is BASARA. Perhaps we're looking too deep into it DK?
I mean, this is the game where apparantly Motonari and Yoshitsugu have a friendship/rivalry. I bet if they don't add someone shes historically related too, they'll make some crazy fictional friendship...

But, I'm with you. I'd rather they give her a half believable story and purpose to serve. I reckon the best characters that could give her a nice roll to fulfill would be either Katsuie, ChaCha or perhaps Hideyori (being her grandson and all)

Still, having Katsuie around the events of Sekigahara is a little odd. But, with that piece of art apparantly showing him confronting Ichi and the fact that Kenshin and Shingen are still alive to emphasise the stories for KG and Yukimura, I see no reason why Ichi couldn't get a reasonably believable story driven by Katsuie...

ChaCha would be a nice add, and with the game low on Females, I suppose shes the most likeliest. Hideyori would be... strange. Ichi definitely isn't grandma material from a design perspective, but weirder things have happened. By the end though, it'll be great just to have her in and I think we will do. Koba coulda out right stated she was cut with the rest of the Oda's cronies and nobody would have thought nothing of it, but he didn't... and thats gotta count for something.
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I think Lady ChaCha, Gracia Hosokawa and Tadaoki Hosokawa should all be added. However if Yodo(ChaCha) was added who would she interact with since most likely Oichi and Hideyoshi are gone.
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I'm still a little shocked they made Kasuga NPC. I mean, she WAS the sex symbol of the game, right? She's like the Masamune for the younger fanboys as far as I know.

Now, I've placed my ideas for Shimazu in his specific thread, but what are the odds that Mr. Ball & Chain is someone new to SB and SW entirely. He doesn't seem to have heavy armor, it looks a bit ragged almost from the silhouette...hmm.
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Mon Dec 7, 2009 11:37 pm
I'm still a little shocked they made Kasuga NPC. I mean, she WAS the sex symbol of the game, right? She's like the Masamune for the younger fanboys as far as I know.

I don't know, sex symbols are usually annoying girls who need "big strong men" TO look after them. :rolleyes: Which Kasuga was not like at all, but her open chest costume can be....misleading.

If Chacha makes it in by some reason, i don't think she should be Oichi's 'Daughter' per se, i think Oichi should like find her, or save her or whatever, from like a bunch of bandits or something and all of Chacha's family could be dead and Oichi can look after her like a mother, and not necesarily be her mother, just an adoptive one. It would be less confusing i think, and Chacha could be the same age as Oichi or a little younger, then we can get a Young Hideyori of about 10-12 years old, without it being too odd.
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she's not a sex symbol,just a way to say that "SB is not just for yaoi fan(girls?)! we have straight relationships too! even though kenshin is a bit TOO feminine!!!!!>.<"

oh and about ice element,don't fret,there's still the ball&chain guy,and did they say what's mago and yoshitsugu's element are?


Edited by wodash, Tue Dec 8, 2009 12:32 am.
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Whoa, it's kinda unusual for 2ch to track thing like this, but it's also not unheard of.
Apparently in the Amazon.com page for SB Samurai Heroes...

http://www.amazon.com/Sengoku-Basara-Samurai-Heroes-Playstation-3/dp/B002X9KYFW
This item will be released on September 28, 2010.

Dunno if this is true or not, but if it is, then the time gap from the JP version will be much shorter than we thought. o.o

And guess this also means the 'dealmaker or dealbreaker' is also coming sooner than expected.
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I think the short time gap is a good thing,it means they are less likely to change things, i'm still hoping for JAP voice option though, thats all i aske, please! T-T
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Whoa, it's kinda unusual for 2ch to track thing like this, but it's also not unheard of.
Apparently in the Amazon.com page for SB Samurai Heroes...

http://www.amazon.com/Sengoku-Basara-Samurai-Heroes-Playstation-3/dp/B002X9KYFW
This item will be released on September 28, 2010.

Dunno if this is true or not, but if it is, then the time gap from the JP version will be much shorter than we thought. o.o

And guess this also means the 'dealmaker or dealbreaker' is also coming sooner than expected.
I was going to say "it's probably a placeholder date" but those are usually on the first day of a month, so..wow?
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Mon Dec 7, 2009 6:50 am
Call it optomism, but I have a strong feeling we won't be seeing any clone movesets this time around for a good reason: all the clones won't appear in the game.

Kennyo and Ujimasa are out for sure. Neither have any relevance to Sekigahara, nor were either of them popular enough to warrant a bending of the rules (ala Motochika and Motonari). Ieyasu has been revamped, and if Toshiie appears, he's more than likely an NPC. If not, then he'd be the only spear user left anyway.

I see no reason why Capcom would repeat cloning characters again outside of NPC's (most of which I believe will be formerly playable characters).
This needed to be repeated on the next page.

And it's a good point to take note of, too, because a lot of it makes sense. Pretty much everybody who was a clone is guaranteed to be "out of the fight" for this game it looks like.

* Ieyasu has been revamped, thus no longer needing to be a clone of Toshiie any more. Toshiie is now the only spear user of his style, now.

* On the other hand, Ieyasu's new playstyle spells the demise of Hideyoshi in more ways than one. Still dunno how I feel about that... :sad:

* With Shingen AND Kennyo gone, Hondam now stands to be the only one who had the basic move set (or at least the basic square string) that Shingen had. Good for him.

* Kasgua's now a NPC. In a lot of ways, she was a "Luigification" of Sasuke's playstyle, even sharing a number of the same skills in common. Sasuke will likely be alone for now, and since Kotaro got an original playstyle starting HEROES, he's likely safe too.

* Kenshin is now a NPC, too. Probably has a lot to do with Mitsunari doing a lot to cite his style, just as much as Ieyasu does Hideyoshi's.

* Nouhime is out, and now we got "Maggie". ( :wub: ) Maggie not only seems to be a great progression for Nou's style, she goes above and beyond, even utilizing what could be described as an evolution of Nobunaga's "shotgun secondary string".


So, if we follow this train of thought, they're doing a lot to take away some of the main complaints about the BASARA series: "clone-age" :hehe:

Logically, this means that a lot of characters are being forced to sit out for now, with the hope that they'll be back, and in even better form than last time. Kasuga should have no excuse to NOT have her own fighting style, whenever she comes back (HEROES expansion, we guess?).

It's still painful, true. And it doesn't even excuse how some playstyles, for right now, don't even have a successor, and yet they're out.



But I can only guess (or rather, hope), that Koba-tachi are trying to take the "Tekken 3" approach with this game. So far, we're seeing the same ideology applied, where a lot of older characters, who were clones no less, are gone, some playstyles are being inherited by new chars and some others would have to wait for a sequel or two to come back (with better/more moves).

If SB3 can do it like Tekken 3 did, then I guess it may end up being for the better. Don't do it like SF3 did it though, Koba...
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Funny, cuz I really liked SF3. :P

I could care less about the American version, Im importing this ASAP just as I did with the rest. Its a good way to pick up on a bit of Japanese too. ;)
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My first post on this topic. This post is gonna be me ranting a bit for now, cramming my responses to all of the news revealed so far into one post. Here goes:

It's good to see that we at least know some of the characters coming back. Personally, I think Yukimura got a little ugly with the graphic update, but everyone else is fine. Ieyasu got a bit older and now has knuckles in a style that, to me, doesn't really steal THAT much from Hideyoshi. Good. Mitsunari looks a little too emo, and his constant crying "DEATH TO IEYASU!!!!" might start getting played out, and he blatantly steals off of Kenshin, but otherwise, he's badass. Yoshitsugu's gonna be interesting; first playable character in a hack-n-slash that's crippled. And Magoichi, as a fan of him in SW, looks fine as a woman, and looks like she'll be outclassing Noh. And we've seen less than 1/3, which means we've got a ways to go before summer. Good, this might help the school year blow by faster.

The cut characters are starting to get on my nerves. Nobanaga, Noh, Ranmaru, Nagamasa, Mitsuhide, and Yoshimoto are gone. Kenshin and Kasuga are NPCs. Hideyoshi and Shingen are still in question for appearance, and Sasuke and Kojuro are in question for playability. That South Park vid shows how nuts Kobayashi is. You can't really do this in a hack-n-slash. The characters are too different; people will notice if someone's gone. And personally, his promise to bring the cut characters back later makes him sound greedy. Granted, like what Ben said, Tekken 3 was able to replace most of the veterans with newcomers and make it work, and maybe Kobayashi can do the same. However, Capcom's own SF3 did the same thing and suffered, so Kobayashi might have some bad luck on him. I dunno. Considering I've never played a Basara game before, as long as the BS is kept low, I should be alright.
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Hmmm...well...

I might be wrong but...the ball and chain guy...isn´t there a high possibility that his heavy weapon, maybe even combined with the ice element...might replace Itsuki?

It´s just a thought...also...wasn´t Zabii the clone of Tadakatsu?

The bomard-moves. The jet-streamed-charge moves. Even his S-string was the same. So, with Zabii gone, Tadakatsu is now stand-alone?

Also, maybe they´ll go the easy road and combine Nobunaga and Nagamasa into one character: ChaCha. As I´ve said, it´d be really cool if she´s a real two-personality character, with one light side, who believes in justice and honor just like Nagamasa and one dark side, the Oda blood, that streams through here veins as well, who seeks darkness and destruction...also combining the two elements in her moveset.

But the thing I´m most interested in is...who will represent Mitsuhide?

I mean he had a sadistic and torturing moveset, with two scythes. Maybe we´ll see a Naomasa Ii with a big red bloodthirsty scythe?

You maybe on to something. Maybe Mr. K has a big picture that only he understands at the moment. His grand vision...Tek-...ahm...BASARA 3.

Also as NDY said, if we truly get around 36 characters then we´ll probably see a 50 character roster in SB3:H/SB4.

That´d be more than awesome :OMG:
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Logically, this means that a lot of characters are being forced to sit out for now, with the hope that they'll be back, and in even better form than last time. Kasuga should have no excuse to NOT have her own fighting style, whenever she comes back (HEROES expansion, we guess?).
I agree with everything else in the post, but huh? People still shouldn't be calling Kasuga non-unique anymore. Yeah her and Sasuke share skills (is it only 2?), but Kasuga already became unique when we got SB2.

And imo she has a far better moveset than Sasuke. One of my biggest hopes for 3 is that Sasuke gets major improvement with more fluid skills, something Kasuga has already.
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Ithink Mitsunari = Mitsuhide + Kenshin. Heuses katana very fast(Kenshin style[almost]) and little psychopath("Ieyasu, Ieyasu, IEYASU") Not enough but better than none.
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Ithink Mitsunari = Mitsuhide + Kenshin. Heuses katana very fast(Kenshin style[almost]) and little psychopath("Ieyasu, Ieyasu, IEYASU") Not enough but better than none.
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Matsunaga Hisahide
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As it stands now, it seems like cut or NPC´d characters live on in new characters and some clones/half characters get cut completely (Yoshimoto, probably Ujimasa, Kennyo):

Even though Kasuga has her own weapon and moves now, you can´t deny they still share some things in their movesets, even now. Of course they could get easily rid of this but...I guess it was easier for them this way, since they wanted to NPC Kenshin anyway and they pobably thought, Kasuga shares the same fate as her beloved one.

Obviously Ieyasu has some "Hideyoshi" in him...but just a bit.

Mitsunari, for me, is a mix between Hanbei and Kenshin. Even though I want Hanbei in, you can´t deny the quick purple slashes, his design and movement, kinda resembles Hanbei.

Zabii is the clone of Tadakatsu...if Mr. K really gets rid of all the "clones", he´ll have to go to, or or make him a NPC.

As I´ve said, if the chain ball guy turns out to be a ice user, he really might replace Itsuki´s heavy hitting hammer moveset and thus she´ll only be a NPC.

The only problem I have with this is...Toshiie and Matsu shared some moves too...I really hope that won´t get in the way of me being able to play as both. Since MP would be hurt if Toshiie goes and I would be hurt if Matsu goes...and if it´s hard on hard, I guess Matsu gets the short straw.

So all in all the only ones that still need some representation are Nobunaga, Nagamasa, Mitsuhide, Shingen, Ranmaru.

Hmmm...maybe we´ll see someone who uses arrows...but without a bow? :shifty:

You stabbing, throwing and piercing people with arrows just with the power of his bare hands

Since Yoshimoto, Kennyo and Ujimasa, NPC/cut/whatever, were just incomplete characters or clones...they don´t really need to be represented or live on through the new characters.

Well, it´ll be interesting to see, how the new characters turn out to be. Though there´s still the Hisahide, Kotaro, Matsu could still become NPCs issue :hmmm: ...I´m hyped again, for now. Since the chance for more new characters, just has risen again, with the cuts of character clones or incomplete characters like Zabii, Kennyo and Ujimasa (c´mon, having them in as NPCs and thus cutting the size of the roster is just plain stupid...they´ve cut more important favourite characters, so why show pity now? :mellow: )
Edited by Matsunaga Hisahide, Tue Dec 8, 2009 11:35 am.
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