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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,254 Views)
Reaper
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They can't add someone with scythes wait see him as Mitsuhide. Mitsuhide is not just two scythes. He is(was) the most psychopath character in the (game) universe. They can't add someone like him. Becouse it won't be enough(but if they add and in SB4, he will meet with Mitsuhide , it will be FANTASTIC.
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Nine Demons Yoshitaka
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Zabii is a Tadakatsu clone....? How...? His S-string is different, isn't it....?

Why do you seem to want him out so much, DK? Anyway, this thing about deleting clones doesn't bode well for the future, IMHO...some characters that they don't want/have time to create movesets for might completely disappear, or remain NPCs forever...

Would creating new movesets be so difficult? They have to create new models anyway, since the console generation changed...it's not like Tekken, where every char has lots and lots of motions...we have 8 attacks and 5-6 skills here...it shouldn't be too hard to come up with new sets....right?


I want more Yoshitsugus, not "oh here's [insert char here]'s replacement" every time...
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Matsunaga Hisahide
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Well with three of my favourites gone (Nagamasa, Hideyoshi, Mitsuhide) I just don´t like the idea of having characters in that don´t really add anything to the current story.

I don´t say that he SHOULD be cut, but I don´t see Zabii´s purpose of being a NPC. And around the middle of Zabii´s/Hondam´s string they start to be the same, especially the spinning moves.

But I guess it´s just me :lol:

They´ve gone so far as to cut favourites and NPC Kenshin and Kasuga...so why show pity on characters that are allmost comepletely useless now?

Even though I love to hear "No Zabii, no life"...at this point, having a character in the roster, that´s just in for the fun of it, whereas important and beloved characters are completely cut, for the sake of "seriousness"...I know it would fit into Mr. K´s randomness...but <_<

Again, I have accpepted the fact that some of my favourites are cut or will become NPCs. But even though I love Ujimasa...I don´t see much point having him in. Same for Zabii, Oichi and Kennyo. With all the cut characters and NPCs...I would rather see them cut too, than having them in, while others get screwed over. :mellow:

Though if Gracia and ChaCha are added...maybe there´d be hope for Zabii and Oichi. But again fun or personal preferences shouldn´t be the factor for certain characters to be in SB3, which threw away characters for serious buisness. The story is set, so don´t waste the sacrifices you´ve made for it, Kobayashi.
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Reaper
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Why don't they understand? NPC means nothing, even worse for players. We can see them, but can't touch them(touch means control in this sentence). Weell, I don't want Zabii/Itsuki/Kennyo/Yoshimoto/Ujimasa in this game. I think they are worthless.
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yashgupta_21
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WAIT A MINUTE!

Saika is supposed to be a MAN? Check wikipedia!
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Manta Punk
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Well, lets be happy that some characters aren't 100% clones of one another. Some may share similar playstyles, like Kasuga and Sasuke, and some may share the same S-strings, but none of them are exactly the same. The characters with the shared S-strings have different skills to each other and characters who play similar... well, its not hard telling the difference. It's gotta be pretty hard as well, creating characters that are totally unique from one another.

The roster is now pushing 50, and with so many unique characters, I'm not too fussed if some kinda resemble others. But now that most of the "clones" are being ironed out (Ieyasu and such) and that the characters are getting new skills, I reckon it won't be too hard to make the current "clones" (Ujimasa ect.) play different in future.

I have a feeling though, when certain characters make a trimuphant return, some of them will share this new 'Unique characteristic' with the newer characters, especially those who play similar to one another, such as Kenshin and Mitsunari, or Maggie and Nou... Infact, Nou with Maggies ability would be pretty epic... Mini-gun S-string? :sly:

As for Toshiie and Matsu DK, lets hope neither of us end up with the short straw :ph43r:
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Lord Rizal
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As much as I feel some of you guys on the removal of particular characters (my favorite clan, the Uesgui, has no representation anymore...) I still say you should play the game before you judge. Look at the gameplay vids again. THAT is where all the work has gone into and rightfully so. Yes, they could have had great gameplay with all the extra characters added, but they dont. Regardless of that, the game still looks extremely fun to play, and thats the reason I'm buying it. Koba will do what he wants, but so long as he makes a fun and exciting game, I can live with his character cuts no problem.

SM3 removed story modes for several of my favorite characters and completely removed 2 others, but still, the game if just as fun to PLAY as it always has been.
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Matsunaga Hisahide
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Then let me put it this way.

Imagine you watch your favourite TV show.
It runs for around three seasons and then they go for a three year break. After it, they come back with season four, now in High Definition and a lot of re-work has been done.

You watch the first trailer and it looks awesome. The new look really fits it, the HD brings it even more to live. There are more details in the story now and it´s a lot deeper too. Overall, you can´t wait to see it.

But you notice something. Your favourite characters are gone. They have been replaced with some other characters. But hey look interesting and you think that the old characters, the ones that kept you watching the show, will appear somewhere.

But suddenly the producer announces, cause of the new re-work and the new story, there was no place for the "old characters". Only some will appear as a minor side-role in three or four episodes.
They´ll probably return in the next season, which´ll come out around one year after season 4.

Even though the trailer looks interesting and fun...after 3 seasons, you´ve come to love those characters, it was like re-visiting an old home and meeting old friends. But now that they are gone...you kinda have an empty feeling.

You´ll probably watch the show and it´ll probably be great...but you´ll allways get the feeling that something´s missing.

At least that´s gonna be the way for me. I´m just used to it, to fight to the death in a burning temple with the demon king himself, only to hear him saying something along the lines "Ashes to ashes, dust to dust" and then hear his epic laugh while shooting blasts in the air with his shotgun.

I´ll also miss Mitsuhide´s weird and sick moans, his soul suck move, also his teasing while intelligent comments and see the other character´s pissed off or confused reactions.

I´ll also miss Kenshin and Shingen´s epic duells, both smiling as they blow away enemy and friendly soldiers in a storm of fire and ice.

I´ll miss Nagamasa´s "instant kill" lines, about justice and swinging around his sword of light while looking like one of the power rangers.

I´ll miss Hideyoshi´s face grab and ground rubbing moves and him talking in his mighty voice to Hanbei, about his dreams.

So yes, Lord Rizal, the game will be fun. And I´ll probably enjoy it. And the old characters will probably return in Season 5...but Season 4 will still miss something out. As a fan, I´ll still have some empty feeling inside my stomache, when I hear other characters talking about Hideyoshi, Mitsuhide, Nagamasa, etc...

Heck, even if Hisahide is playalbe this time...ahm...well...that´s a bad example, since even if the only playable character character in SB3 would be Hisahide, I´d still love the game :D

But you get the point most of us feel. As a truly obsessed fan (looks at avatar, the line under his avatar, his username, his signature and at his post count which most were achieved through posts here :ph43r: )...the game can be as sweet as sugar...but it´ll still leave a bitter aftertaste :(
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Battle-Flowers
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OH MY GOD
That was an absolutely mind blowiing representation of the character cuts...
i feel exactly the same way..
everyone has their favourites an dto lose them after all this time is actually quite hollowing inside..
to play a serious you love without them is just saddening even if the game is the kneez of the bee....
i have no oubts in my mind that it will be a great game and i pray to god that the old characters, th cut ones retur in the nexw "season" as you so inspirationaly put it..
i a great admirer of the series and have played it from the very begining when it was called devil kings..
i ctually stumbled upon it on the internet and that is what mae mewant it badly...
eventhough i was unable to play the next releases due to the region locks and stuff but i still play devil kings...
i cant wait for sengoku basara 3 :lol: :lol:

wow you really struck a chord for me there
hehhhheehehee sorry ive just had a kind of venting session
oh welll
and yeah seen as though im letting all out

i LOVVVVVEEEEEEE RANMARUU or (hornet)

hheeehhee
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Lord Rizal
Tue Dec 8, 2009 8:43 pm
As much as I feel some of you guys on the removal of particular characters (my favorite clan, the Uesgui, has no representation anymore...) I still say you should play the game before you judge. Look at the gameplay vids again. THAT is where all the work has gone into and rightfully so. Yes, they could have had great gameplay with all the extra characters added, but they dont. Regardless of that, the game still looks extremely fun to play, and thats the reason I'm buying it. Koba will do what he wants, but so long as he makes a fun and exciting game, I can live with his character cuts no problem.

SM3 removed story modes for several of my favorite characters and completely removed 2 others, but still, the game if just as fun to PLAY as it always has been.
DK's analogy is pretty spot-on in terms of a Basara fan's view of the cut characters. These cut characters are gonna feel like a small void that only their return will satisfy. But I quote LR because we share similar viewpoints: we will both most likely buy this game and enjoy the gameplay enough where the missing characters won't affect us. Our reasons are somewhat different; LR looks like he is not as concerned about characters as others have been, while I have never played a Basara game, and therefore I'm not as emotionally connected.

One thing, LR: Using the characters that didn't get stories in SW3 is a bad example. Those characters are at least playable. They don't have the nice cutscenes, but you can just stick them into any stage in Free Mode and it should be the same. These characters are removed COMPLETELY.
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Tue Dec 8, 2009 9:17 pm

I´ll miss Nagamasa´s "instant kill" lines, about justice and swinging around his sword of light while looking like one of the power rangers.


I´ll miss Hideyoshi´s face grab and ground rubbing moves and him talking in his mighty voice to Hanbei, about his dreams.
That reminds me I hope the power Rangers return they were an AWSOME stage gimmick!!! :lol: LMAO!!


I'M GONNA MISS HIDEYOSHI... & Hanbei, (ishida will prob take his place for me) but Hanbei's persona was spot on and his voice!! Arrr man what a let down and hideyoshi's MIGHTYNESS.... Ahhh i'm gonna miss scenes like the one he had with Fuuma *throws shiruken* "HUMPH".......... BAD ASSSS

Edit: agreed! you GOTTA love the face grabbing HAHAHA
Edited by ~in3vitableTIMING~, Tue Dec 8, 2009 11:18 pm.
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SRS
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This is why you make new favorites. Intro a little variety into your line-up.
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Tue Dec 8, 2009 11:16 pm
Devilsking
Tue Dec 8, 2009 9:17 pm

I´ll miss Nagamasa´s "instant kill" lines, about justice and swinging around his sword of light while looking like one of the power rangers.


I´ll miss Hideyoshi´s face grab and ground rubbing moves and him talking in his mighty voice to Hanbei, about his dreams.
That reminds me I hope the power Rangers return they were an AWSOME stage gimmick!!! :lol: LMAO!!


I'M GONNA MISS HIDEYOSHI... & Hanbei, (ishida will prob take his place for me) but Hanbei's persona was spot on and his voice!! Arrr man what a let down and hideyoshi's MIGHTYNESS.... Ahhh i'm gonna miss scenes like the one he had with Fuuma *throws shiruken* "HUMPH".......... BAD ASSSS

Edit: agreed! you GOTTA love the face grabbing HAHAHA
I agree wholeheartedly. Also, your signature is genuinely hilarious. I hope no more names get crossed out :/
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Wed Dec 9, 2009 1:05 am
This is why you make new favorites. Intro a little variety into your line-up.
Amen to that sir. DK, I understand what you feel, but still, the new characters may still make you love the game just as much. Or they could do things like in SW/DW and rehash the same stories over and over again. Its obviously going to be a lot of fun to play. I cant wait to get my hands on Motochika and kill everyone with the surfing anchor of death :P
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Seraphil
Wed Dec 9, 2009 1:05 am
This is why you make new favorites. Intro a little variety into your line-up.
YOSHITSUGU I CHOSE YOUUUUUUU!!!!!11111 :o

But honestly, its easy to say that, but when you get right down to it, its never the same. Sure i will get some new favourites, but they wont just replace my old favourites whom i have fallen for over the years, it will never be the same. :/ Variety? Well, i can't force more variety into my line up as i generally like majority of the Basara characters, there are some characters i dislike, but even then i still like some aspects of them, variety to the max here.
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Wed Dec 9, 2009 1:33 am
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Wed Dec 9, 2009 1:05 am
This is why you make new favorites. Intro a little variety into your line-up.
YOSHITSUGU I CHOSE YOUUUUUUU!!!!!11111 :o

But honestly, its easy to say that, but when you get right down to it, its never the same. Sure i will get some new favourites, but they wont just replace my old favourites whom i have fallen for over the years, it will never be the same. :/ Variety? Well, i can't force more variety into my line up as i generally like majority of the Basara characters, there are some characters i dislike, but even then i still like some aspects of them, variety to the max here.
I guess Im just not that sentimental, after all, its only a game. Not like my best friend died or something. If Koba killed my best friend, THEN I would be pissed...

I look at games for the Gameplay first, good characters are just icing on the cake. This game looks great, and Im looking forward to trying all the new characters, particularly Ieyasu (boxing ftw).
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Lord Rizal
Wed Dec 9, 2009 1:37 am
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Seraphil
Wed Dec 9, 2009 1:05 am
This is why you make new favorites. Intro a little variety into your line-up.
YOSHITSUGU I CHOSE YOUUUUUUU!!!!!11111 :o

But honestly, its easy to say that, but when you get right down to it, its never the same. Sure i will get some new favourites, but they wont just replace my old favourites whom i have fallen for over the years, it will never be the same. :/ Variety? Well, i can't force more variety into my line up as i generally like majority of the Basara characters, there are some characters i dislike, but even then i still like some aspects of them, variety to the max here.
I guess Im just not that sentimental, after all, its only a game. Not like my best friend died or something. If Koba killed my best friend, THEN I would be pissed...

I look at games for the Gameplay first, good characters are just icing on the cake. This game looks great, and Im looking forward to trying all the new characters, particularly Ieyasu (boxing ftw).
For me its not at all like i've lost a best friend, its just something missing. I've grow attached to the characters and i would like to play with them, meh to new characters, i may not like the new characters one bit, i rather have all the oldies and a decent amount of newbies, than mostly newbies with barely any oldies. I'm comfortable with the oldies, i'm not saying newbies are bad, they bring some needed spice, but i would like the option to play as my favourites that i know for sure i will enjoy, they don't need ot be the focus, they just need to be there.
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yes suppose i mean i littele change cant hurt can it?
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Has anyone mentioned that there's gonna be Basara 3 stuff in this week's Famitsu :lol:
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Wed Dec 9, 2009 1:48 am
Has anyone mentioned that there's gonna be Basara 3 stuff in this week's Famitsu :lol:
Wait what? ELABORATE PLEASE! :o I'm prepared for the worst. T-T
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Wed Dec 9, 2009 1:48 am
Crimsondramon
Wed Dec 9, 2009 1:48 am
Has anyone mentioned that there's gonna be Basara 3 stuff in this week's Famitsu :lol:
Wait what? ELABORATE PLEASE! :o I'm prepared for the worst. T-T
http://www.imagebam.com/image/6a7c0c59157868

Basara 3 is mentioned in this week's Index, so I guess we gotta wait for the scans :ph43r:
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The worst? Wow, a bit pessimistic eh? Propably not a characters announcement. Maybe just game info or event announcements.
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Crimsondramon
Wed Dec 9, 2009 1:51 am
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Wed Dec 9, 2009 1:48 am
Crimsondramon
Wed Dec 9, 2009 1:48 am
Has anyone mentioned that there's gonna be Basara 3 stuff in this week's Famitsu :lol:
Wait what? ELABORATE PLEASE! :o I'm prepared for the worst. T-T
http://www.imagebam.com/image/6a7c0c59157868

Basara 3 is mentioned in this week's Index, so I guess we gotta wait for the scans :ph43r:
Oh right its Tueday. >.< I thought it was friday and that we missed an update. :lol: Thanks for the info, now all there is to do is wait. :ph43r:
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I'm still maining Masamune, and of course Ieyasu too. I'll look for the new favorites and see if they're really good. I hope Maggie doesn't disappoint.
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Guy like me? I gotta basically start from scratch. ALL of my go tos (except Hanbei, who hasn't been 100% confirmed) are gone. My boy, Hideyoshi, the Oda clan, Nagamasa...

Pretty much the only character(s) that are left from my SB2 days are like, Masamune. And even though his changes look interesting, Masamune's still a fairly "basic" character that will bore me after a while.

These new dudes have a LOT to work cut out for them, in my eyes.

Any way, another week, and ANOTHER Famitsu article. Everything's going as pretty much BK and I thought; they only needed to wait until a certain other game was released, first... ^^;
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