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Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi!
Topic Started: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:46 pm (399,334 Views)
Claus
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Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:31 pm
This is exciting!!!!! :XD I havent ever played the Sengoku Basara series.I played Devil Kings, but it looks like fun.

I wonder who the two mysterious characters aree?hmmm...
Devil Kings is SB. It's the translated name.

Devil kings and SB are two very different games, DK isn't just the translated version, it has diferent names for everything and very different stories.
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Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:31 pm
This is exciting!!!!! :XD I havent ever played the Sengoku Basara series.I played Devil Kings, but it looks like fun.

I wonder who the two mysterious characters aree?hmmm...
Devil Kings is SB. It's the translated name.

Devil kings and SB are two very different games, DK isn't just the translated version, it has diferent names for everything and very different stories.
Yeah,they're both different games,different characters and they are in different realms.Not gonna rant about it.

Anyways,anyone thinks that they're gonna release SB3 out of Japan?I think they might due to the the anime being DUB to English.
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Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:31 pm
This is exciting!!!!! :XD I havent ever played the Sengoku Basara series.I played Devil Kings, but it looks like fun.

I wonder who the two mysterious characters aree?hmmm...
Devil Kings is SB. It's the translated name.

Devil kings and SB are two very different games, DK isn't just the translated version, it has diferent names for everything and very different stories.
I think very different is overdoing it. No, the stories are the same. Just because they have different names, dosen't mean it isn't the same stage with the same characters.

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Yeah,they're both different games,different characters and they are in different realms.Not gonna rant about it.

Anyways,anyone thinks that they're gonna release SB3 out of Japan?I think they might due to the the anime being DUB to English.
They're probably aren't going to bring it overseas until SB2 is released which they have no plan of doing now.
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This is exciting!!!!! :XD I havent ever played the Sengoku Basara series.I played Devil Kings, but it looks like fun.

I wonder who the two mysterious characters aree?hmmm...
Devil Kings is SB. It's the translated name.

Devil kings and SB are two very different games, DK isn't just the translated version, it has diferent names for everything and very different stories.
I think very different is overdoing it. No, the stories are the same. Just because they have different names, dosen't mean it isn't the same stage with the same characters.

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Yeah,they're both different games,different characters and they are in different realms.Not gonna rant about it.

Anyways,anyone thinks that they're gonna release SB3 out of Japan?I think they might due to the the anime being DUB to English.
They're probably aren't going to bring it overseas until SB2 is released which they have no plan of doing now.
DK doesn't even take place in japan. They try and hide it as a diferent place, in DK so much is diferent that it registers as a new game to me.
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Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:31 pm
This is exciting!!!!! :XD I havent ever played the Sengoku Basara series.I played Devil Kings, but it looks like fun.

I wonder who the two mysterious characters aree?hmmm...
Devil Kings is SB. It's the translated name.

Devil kings and SB are two very different games, DK isn't just the translated version, it has diferent names for everything and very different stories.
I think very different is overdoing it. No, the stories are the same. Just because they have different names, dosen't mean it isn't the same stage with the same characters.

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Yeah,they're both different games,different characters and they are in different realms.Not gonna rant about it.

Anyways,anyone thinks that they're gonna release SB3 out of Japan?I think they might due to the the anime being DUB to English.
They're probably aren't going to bring it overseas until SB2 is released which they have no plan of doing now.
DK doesn't even take place in japan. They try and hide it as a diferent place, in DK so much is diferent that it registers as a new game to me.
Yes, they made a bad decision of trying to change the history.
There was actually a topic made on this subject.

But, the stages are still exactly alike, the characters are the same and all the troops are the same. Other than the different names it's still the same.
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Hmm... I thought it has been long concluded that DK =/= SB for many reasons... ah, here it is.

(´・ω・`)つ http://s13.zetaboards.com/koeiwarriors/topic/247433/1/

That's a nice argument link anyway. :)
...and if Capcom writes the names like that guy does, I wouldn't mind a directly translated SB either.
After all, Date Masamune > Azure Dragon >>>>>>>> M******* D***
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So I'm also guessing that there's very little chance of this getting ported, much like its older brother?
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@ MasterofMusou even if they don't bring Sengoku basara 2 or SB2 Hero out over sea,let us just hope that Capcom don't pull a SE on us all DX

Maybe if the people like the anime maybe they may bring Sengoku Basara 2 over sea and SB2 Her as well
Edited by ZilongMengde, Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:25 am.
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Nine Demons Yoshitaka
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If the anime is successful, I hope they don't bother with SB2/H and directly port SB3 instead...why would you want the prequels when the sequel is ready, anyway?
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Meh I was talking about Capcom and how I hope they won't call Sengoku Basara 3 well Sengoku Basara 2 over sea like how SE call Final Fanasty IV Final Fanasty II over sea so eah but you are right and I hope Oichi is playable in this game too XD
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Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:20 pm
Meh I was talking about Capcom and how I hope they won't call Sengoku Basara 3 well Sengoku Basara 2 over sea like how SE call Final Fanasty IV Final Fanasty II over sea so eah but you are right and I hope Oichi is playable in this game too XD
Why would they do that? If anything they'd call it SB1 over here. There's almost no way they'd call it SB3 though unless they decided to go back and release a triple pack with SB, SB2, and SB2H (of which has a snowball's chance in hell if I do say so myself).
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Divine Juustice What you say is true and also I from what I heard Capcom when they were bring Devl King over sea they change it so the game won't look like Samurai Warriors well that what I heard anyway
Edited by ZilongMengde, Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:05 pm.
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Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:02 pm
Divine Justice What you say is true and also I from what I heard Capcom when they were bring Devl King over sea they change it so the game won't look like Samurai Warriors well that what I heard anyway
Samurai Warriors came out after Devil Kings.
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It did :huh: anyway I heard that the Change because of Samurai Warriors at the Capcom Forum so yeah ...

EDIT:I check it at Gamefaqs

Sengoku Musou:02/11/04 JP
Samurai Warriors:05/06/04 US
Samurai Warriors:06/25/04 EU

Sengoku Basara:07/21/05 JP
Devil Kings:10/12/05 US
Devil Kings:02/03/06 EU
Edited by ZilongMengde, Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:19 pm.
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It did :huh: anyway I heard that the Change because of Samurai Warriors at the Capcom Forum so yeah ...
If it wasn't from an Admin of the forum, there's no need to believe it.

At edited post: I seem to be failing more and more now. :/
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It did :huh: anyway I heard that the Change because of Samurai Warriors at the Capcom Forum so yeah ...
If it wasn't from an Admin of the forum, there's no need to believe it.

At edited post: I seem to be failing more and more now. :/
Don't worry about it I make mistake as well and I am really sorry if that post of mine(The one with gamefaqs info about Samurai Warriors and Devil Kings) sounded rude :(
Edited by ZilongMengde, Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:41 pm.
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If the anime is successful, I hope they don't bother with SB2/H and directly port SB3 instead...why would you want the prequels when the sequel is ready, anyway?
The ONLY reason I could think of them doing otherwise, is for what basically DJ suggests: Packaging all 3 older games and re-releasing them on Wii. Or, just bring over the SB2 Double Pack; it's not like you need to really play the First Game any way. :hehe:

On one hand, such a thing could work, if all that really stood to drive up costs would be marketing (and hiring English Voice actors, if so much is the case). In many ways, it would be much less of a "risk", as opposed to trying to market SB3 by itself, in the US.

Of course, the flip side is that it's still risky, no matter which way you go about it. And with something like BASARA's case, which may be riding on the benefit of a "second chance" to make a good impression, it may not be wise to go with PS2-era graphics to try and capture the graphic-whores, that make up the majority of the American/Western video game audience.

I mean, shoot, Capcom isn't even likely to try and sell the MHG Wii port over here, they're going straight for the jugular with MH3. Such a thing could possibly work for BASARA as well...
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Well getting ready for SB3 I decided to finally watch the anime series and 2 episodes in I'm really enjoying it (Nobunaga's introduction to the series.... WOW the music was tight!!). Which begs me to ask the question is it considered *cannon* at all?




*Major Spoilers!!*
Because what I've noticed so far is they seem to be killing off the minor characters (Ujimasa, Yoshimoto, Kenyyo), maybe in preparation for SB3??
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Well..this is kind of a tricky question...

But first of all no, the anime isn't canon (simply because it isn't the game)

In Basara continuity isn't respected at all...characters might die in one story just to be alive in another...

Masamune has conquered the country at least 3 times, but he starts always at the same point in new games.

But looking at, say, Mitsuhide's stories, they seem to follow some sorta progression...in SB1, he just aims at Nobunaga's neck (and succeeds). In SB2, Honnoji has already happened, but somehow Nobunaga didn't die and Mitsuhide finds him back and kills him (for good?)

In SBBH he gets a flashback story.

Anyway, these are just small hints: as a general rule, continuity does not exist in this series. At least, not in the games.

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Dunno about the anime though...but if they let dead chars stay dead, the cast'll be pretty small..as long as they don't pump SB3 fulla new people...
Edited by Nine Demons Yoshitaka, Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:46 am.
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Well of course they´ll be alive.

Can you imagine SB3 without Hisa/Mitsuhide?

The anime, manga, drama CDs. All were alternate storys.
I mean how often has Yoshimoto been killed by someone?

But I´ll surley look forward to the new setting. The ultimate war, east side vs. west side.

oh and Makishima!....I guess....you just spoiled...DarkDante...a lot... :ph43r:
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Don't forget KG and Hideyoshi (and Hanbei).

In the SB2 saga, you could say that this group had possibly the most poignant "history". Even though their individual endings in SB2 are probably not canon (except maybe KG's, since he didn't kill any one, and only ended it all with giving Hideyoshi a well-placed punch), KG's Gaiden likely is. Hisahide probably "escaped" using the explosions as a cover, and what happened in that story's events are poignant for how Hideyoshi and KG's relationship started to collapse.

It'll be interesting to see what stories will be told in SB3. After all, there's still likely plenty to be told within this trio alone. And if everybody stands to grow up a bit, even seeing how much the likes of Yukimura and Masamune have grown up might be nice....just don't let them continue to steal the show, is all I ask.

I mean, if this really is supposed to be a game where Ieyasu and Mitsunari are the focal points, then Masamune and Yukimura, imo, could stand to be placed more into the background. Not unlike how Kyo and Iori were still a part of things in KOF, even though the likes of K' and, later, Ash, came to take more of a focal point in the series' story-telling.

Hell, come to think of it, BASARA's storytelling has more in common with a fighting game's any way. So I could definitely see things flowing as such, for Capcom's sake.
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Thanks for the reminder, DK....I hope he hasn't read that post yet...

I agree with everything Ben said: after a Oda X Saito flashback (I really want to see how the hell Nouhime fell in love with Nobunaga, and his relationship with her dad and bro) a story about Hideyoshi, Hanbei's and Keiji's beginnings would be awesome.

After teasing us for two games, Capcom has to make it happen!
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I'd like to think that Nouhime fell for Nobunaga probably BEFORE he went all evil. :hehe:

Maybe it's the cape! Nobunaga found that demon possessed Cape of Super Friggin' Evil + 10 after one particular conquest, and THAT's what caused him to fall. After all, the Cape is where most of his power lies any way. Not to mention he has a perchance for talking in a "collective" personality. Some type of Marvel-style Symbiote or something? :hehe:

In any case, it would certainly give Capcom plenty of reason to make for more characters, by doing what they do best....Clones! Move-swaps! Then they could introduce a younger, more bishie "Before the Fall!" Nobunaga that the ladies could end up loving! 8D

Okay, some one stop me. Seriously.
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I reckon they should bring this out for the xbox 360 because DW can get borin for awhile and yukimura just kicks ***
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Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:33 pm
Not to mention he has a perchance for talking in a "collective" personality. Some type of Marvel-style Symbiote or something? :hehe:
This is something I noticed the other day when I started reading Makishima's script translation. Is there some sort of clue in the dialogue that leads to this? Because "ware" can just mean "me", not necessarily "we" according to my dictionary.

Anyway, I'm still holding out for Dousan (I'd settle for an NPC at this rate) being the prime reason Nobunaga became a bastard. Maybe some sort of trial he put Nobunaga through in order to make Nouhime his wife that just pushed him way the hell over the edge, into the demon king, and subsequently into killing Dousan :hehe:

I have some wacky ideas, yes...
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