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| Sengoku BASARA 3 (in NA: SB Samurai Heroes); Out in 2010 - PS3&Wii Multi! | |
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| Kiheiji | Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:11 am Post #2426 |
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Miracle Violence
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"Didn't see anything?". Yukimura is really troubled, I say. All the punching in each other's face? And Hanbei's dead. Doesn't bother me actually. I had the gut feeling he'll gone. |
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| BlackKite | Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:38 am Post #2427 |
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w00t, found an article on the demo impression. Boy that was quick. http://www.kotaku.jp/2009/12/jump_festa_10basara3.html UPDATE: And now there's a report that Sasuke & Kojuuro also turned NPCs. Heh, I wonder how the fujoshis will react to this. In the talkshow, other than Maggie's movie, there is also Yoshitsugu's gameplay movie. Edited by BlackKite, Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:19 am.
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| Kratos Aurion | Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:03 am Post #2428 |
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For some reason, I read that as Musashi and Kojiro turned NPC's..but wow. Also, big surprise, I think I saw a fangirl playing. |
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| RTsharpshooter | Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:32 am Post #2429 |
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Kojuuro and Sasuke NPCs? Well, not surprising after Kenshin and Kasuga, but its still a bummer. They must be investing a lot of time with the new characters, seeing as how many existing characters are "taking a breather". Thats unfortunate news to kick off my Christmas break...
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| Hondam | Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:35 am Post #2430 |
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So we're gonna have characters like Sasuke and Kojuuro go NPC while Yoshihiro stays playable...alright kobayashi? |
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| necrosis | Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:49 am Post #2431 |
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If Sasuke and Kojuuro become NPCS, then this game just might have become a "who gives a **** no buy" for me. Honestly? Really? Why the **** would you LESSEN our gameplay choices? Oh wait thats right. Kobayashi is a hack. |
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| HokutoNoBen | Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:55 am Post #2432 |
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Alright...fine! Hanbei's dead too, and thus makes it so the last of my "A-Team" is gone. Gyat dammit. T_T But really...? "Dat Man" (Kojuuro) and "Dat Ninja" Sasuke too?! Kasuga I could see, as perhaps she was going to be removed and Sasuke would be the focus for "their" playstyle for now. But now if he's gone too, then that does a lot to undermine what I thought was going through Koba's mind! @_@ Either they're trying to make it so Hanzo can be featured with Kotaro as much more "serious" ninjas, by themselves, or really... @_@ |
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| BlackKite | Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:05 am Post #2433 |
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Come to think about it, Kobayashi did mention in the first interview that "they are equally putting effort on all playable characters as if they are the main character of the game", and that "they are going to exploit the character's uniqueness more". The way I see it, Yoshihiro has this 'deadly with correct timing' perk, which could be why he's still safe. And since Kojuuro and Sasuke mainly act as Masamune & Yukimura's sidekicks, probably the first point is why they get the NPC cards. Also, someone in 2ch wonders that discounting Tokugawa & Ishida, there would be 1 playable character per faction in SB3. As known currently, Date: Masamune Takeda: Yukimura Uesugi: Keiji Chousokabe: Motochika Mouri: Motonari Saika: Magoichi Shimazu: Yoshihiro Counting these clues, now I wonder if they're going to make Matsu playable as Maeda representative while Toshiie goes NPC. Matsu gets her uniqueness thanks to the animal summons but Toshiie's moveset is a bit plain... possibly it could be like that? (Besides, with 2 already out and 2 still in limbo, Matsu is the only most possible returning female playable character now....) |
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| Raiga Kagekami | Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:11 am Post #2434 |
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2 New Ninjas please(P.S Mr.Hanzo and ????.)Well,there should be a new character to replace Kojuro.Im looking forward to a lot of these...I just...feel like like its going to be ultimately awesome.Seriously looking forward to this. Well,if they still want Matsunaga in,he should be the replacement for Kojuro.But then,nahh since its based on Sekigahara.Well,for Musashi,we should get a skilled samurai to replace him.Wait,I don't he needs to be replaced,since HE SHOULD be considered to be living around that era.Well,I don't know,I just wrote what came to my mind. |
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| HokutoNoBen | Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:18 am Post #2435 |
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While sounding good on paper, I guess I need to see more in this lane. I mean, if every character was going to have basically as much depth as single fighting game character at the least, then this could be a god thing. It's that design philosophy that saw Devil May Cry 3 be so successful, because after all, each of Dante's "styles", as well as Vergil's own, were separate styles unto themselves that you could take months to learn all the assets and tricks that are involved. The technical fighting game fan in me would go "ga-ga" for something like this. Even so...
Hmmm, good point. Still would hurt quite a bit, but it would be the main thing that would spell why the likes of Takeda, Kenshin and Kasuga are at least confirmed to be NPCs.
On the other hand? If they REALLY wanted to be cruel, they could put the dog out entirely. Technically, Toshiie died the year before, and wasn't able to persist in the battle. Yeah, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to do away with him completely, since the likes of Motonari is here, but since every one has seemingly been hit with some measure of tragedy as of late, it could be feasible... |
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| Battle-Flowers | Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:26 am Post #2436 |
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ooohhh nooo sasuke thats i hope ranmaru does not become npc ![]() i suppose without kasuga, sasuke was kinda meaningless as his story included kasuga quite a bit.. ![]() dammit i also hope for nagamasa and oichi to be in the game cause im a sucker for flashie lights... hehehe |
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| Manta Punk | Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:56 am Post #2437 |
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Sasuke... and... Kojuuro... NPCs...? Wow... just wow... Ugh, what in the blazes is Koba thinking? Like Ben, I could've understood Kasuga's downgrade if they were going to focus on Sasuke... Seriously, I'm honestly suprised by this. I bet the Fujoshi aren't too happy, especially since Hanbei's confirmed dead as well. Damn, if the likes of Sasuke and Kojuuro have got the NPC treatment, it doesn't leave much hope for Toshiie, does it? ![]() And now its really got me thinking about just how many NPCs we'll get. Drat, why is it when we get new info, we also get something to knock us on our ass... Still, it isn't all bad. I'm a little dissapointed with Tsuchi's art not being represented in the game, but at least they confirmed the Complete Works is being released. Also, that manga sounds pretty interesting as well. The new "clash" feature sounds really nice as well. It sounds similar to the DBZ Tenkaichi games, where you get in a fist fight with one another. Glad thier diving deeper into the gameplay. Anyway, It's great that thier focusing on each character's importance and uniqueness. Hopefully this'll make up for the NPCs. EDIT: Yoshitsugu vid!? Yosh! Edited by Manta Punk, Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:01 am.
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| LsLights | Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:06 am Post #2438 |
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Noooooo....even more NPCs, why why!!!??? Well, if the whole 1 per faction thing is right i really hope the maeda get matsu otherwise i think i will go beserk I think adding matsu as playable and adding Ginchiyo is the only thing to make me happy, is that too much to ask?
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:34 pm Post #2439 |
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Ok, I'm back people. Here's what I noted down: - New video formed mostly of cutscenes. We see more or less everyone (except Yoshitsugu and Tadakatsu) confronting everyone... - Masamune is shown losing against Mitsunari, and then about to deliver the fatal blow to Yukimura (as a warning to Mitsunari, IIRC) but Kojuro stops him. He is also shown with Ieyasu's fist inches from his face. - Yukimura is "scolded" by Kenshin (btw, the last question is "what have you been doing all this time?, I think) and Sasuke, who tells him: "see, commander Sanada, this is how you command your troops. Now you understand the weight that man (Masamune) carries, with a province on his shoulders, but never falling under its weight? Despair, be confused, and then decide. Because you're the commander." - Keiji is shown in the Uesugi stage, saying "Protect the woman you've fallen for with your life!!" and hands the flower to Magoichi, who reacts coldly though. - Magoichi is shown confronting practically everybody except Motonari and Yukimura. It looks like she's (they are) with the East, since when she confronts Motochika he says "do you know that Ieyasu crushed the Shikoku??" - Motochika is then shown talking about this to Motonari and Yukimura. He seems both angry and sad because of Ieyasu's betrayal of their friendship. - Motonari seems to lose to Mitsunari, and then (in Koba's words) ally himself with the West and plot nasty stuff with Yoshitsugu. Gameplay stuff: Game mode was free battle. Difficulty was normal. There were 3 stages available: Ueda castle, Mikatagahara and Itsukushima. I picked Mitsunari and played Itsukushima...then Ieyasu and Ueda castle. First of all, Mitsunari's defense and attack are pretty low (Ieyasu's are a lot higher), but he's really fast (duh) and his skills combo like hell. The main difference between him and Kenshin is that Mitsunari moves around a lot while attacking. Granted, it's been ages since I last played Basara, but Ieyasu's a lot easier to control than him. - His taunt has him flip his sword in the air and then pointing it at the enemy. - About the "sword clash" thing, whoever loses is stunned for a while. By the way, you can attack enemies even while they're down now, which makes for pretty nice combo possibilities... - About the stars above the bosses' lifebar, maybe they don't make such a big difference but I saw someone fighting a 5-starred Tadakatsu at Mikatagahara, and it was pretty damn close. And it wasn't a girl playing...this guy also went into a clash against Tadakatsu, and even thought he was mashing like hell he barely managed to get a draw! - In Mikatagahara, if you escape from (or defeat) Tadakatsu, he will fly away to a closed location near Ieyasu's position and activate 4 pillars with his electricity, which will cause a thunderstorm on your path for a while. - Every time you conquer an enemy base, your attack goes up for a while. - (Probably because it was just a demo) even if you obtained an armor/special item the symbol would appear on scree, but nothing under it...it was different in the past games, right? - The character intros are more similar to SB1, with their title appearing on a scroll-like thingy. - I might not have an eye for this stuff, but I honestly didn't see much graphical differences between the Wii and PS3 versions. They say the PS3 version had more enemies on-screen...that might be true, but I played on the Wii (much less people in line) and it was REALLY REALLY fast-paced. The stages aren't so "straight" anymore, so it's easy to advance from enemy base to enemy base, I think... - Oh, in Mikatagahara there was a new type of enemy...a semi-big man holding a small cannon, which he would light up to fire at you. Also there were some "strongmen" whose way of walking was very similar to Hideyoshi's... Ok, now about Koba's talk show: He showed the TGS vid first, and then the new cutscenes-only vid. To see everyone's reactions, he said. Ok, whatever. Then he introduced all characters, showing Ieyasu's, Mitsunari's, Yoshitsugu's and Magoichi's gameplay videos.... You know why they took so much time to show those vids? Because they were simply BEAST. Screw what you've seen until now...Yoshi and Maggie blow the other vids OUT OF THE WATER! CAPS! Yoshi's was in the VS Magoichi stage (unnamed, though). His playing style is really unique: he continually makes signs with his hands (think an Hindu deity or something) while the spheres circle behind him, dashing in front when attacking. When they hit enemies a mark (a number, maybe?) and the spheres keep attacking them automatically. He's probably weak physically, but he was pretty fast and his skills hit at a long and wide range. The way he laughs while his now giant-sized spheres crush the enemy in his Basara attack his awesomely creepy... I can't remember exactly his quotes, but he had some pretty nasty stuff...like: "Crawl and run away. Inform everyone that Mitsunari's a demon" or (aiding Mitsunari in the demo) "that guy's (Mitsunari) angry today..." In short...amazing. Well, I was trying to process Yoshi's awesomeness in my head...when Magoichi's turn came....and well, I was floored. (like everyone else, I'm sure). The chick is nuts, people. Shotguns? She's got'em. Magnums? She's got'em. Machine guns? She's got'em. Hand Grenades? She's got'em. Guns that shoot automatically when she kicks enemies in the air? You get the picture. Besides, not only her S-string but even her Basara changes according to the weapon she last used! Ok, just the first few hits, but that's something too... She also had a skill similar to Nouhime's mole bombs, but the explosion happened right under Maggie in this case. During her vid it was a chorus of "whoa" and "whao" from the crowd...and for good reason! Kojuro and Sasuke's thing is a serious blow...but honestly I started thinking as if no past characters will appear anymore, at this point. At least I don't get disappointed... Final tidbits: - Koba said there will be roughly 3 hours of cutscenes in the game. - When talking about Ieyasu's attack on Shikoku, he said "Ieyasu...no well, the Tokugawa destroyed Shikoku". Pretty big hint if you ask me... - the Basara staff apparently loves Gundam Wing, so they had its composer make 3 songs for Basara (performed by a semiprofessional orchestra). One of them plays during the new "cutscenes" vid. And that's it on my end. (On a personal note, I managed to talk with Kobayashi, and said that even outside Japan there are lots of fans anticipating Basara 3...he was pretty surprised. Yeah, I could've asked something else, but I figured he wouldn't answer directly, and I was kinda caught in the heat of the moment...yeah.) |
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| Manta Punk | Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:16 pm Post #2440 |
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Heh, glad you had a good time NDY and thanks for the impressions. First off, Yoshi plays like a beast!? Thank the lord! Thats just got me back up from the Sasuke and Kojuuro blow. I was kinda anxious he wouldn't play to my liking, but from your impressions... Man, I can't wait! Fast and a wide range hitter? YES! Also, his Basara sounds mad awesome. I'm looking foward to what he and Motonari are planning ![]() Heres hoping we get his video next update. Mago sounds just as amazing as I imagined. Hand grenades? Epic. So, not only her S-string changes but also her Basara? Heh, these new characters certainly aren't dissapointing, and with the promise of tons more of 'em, I'm getting mega hype. Hmm, the gameplay seems really deep compared to the past titles. Tadakatsu fleeing and activating 4 electric pillars sounds sweet. Hopefully, most of the stages will have obstacles like this, such as Motonari's giant burning mirror. Anyway, its interesting it wasn't Ieyasu personally who attacked Shikoku... looking foward to seeing how that one plays out. Well, at least he knows we exist now. I bet it was pretty exciting, talking to the main man and all ![]() Again, thanks for the impressions. Hype! |
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| BlackKite | Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:19 pm Post #2441 |
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w00t, thanks for the impressions NDY! Man, now I can't wait to see those two videos ![]() And LOL at the tidbit of SB staff liking GW. Guess that's why they used Ishino Ryuzo and Nakahara Shigeru, as well as Koyasu and Okiayu. Now I wonder what are the odds of Seki Toshihiko and Orikasa Ai voicing some new characters here. (I'm not quite sure about Midorikawa though since he seems to be already busy with SW Mitsuhide)Oh, and a question, I'm quite curious about Mr. Muteki, who supposedly is a unique generic. Did you see him in one of the videos? |
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:26 pm Post #2442 |
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Oh yeah! Thanks for reminding me BK! Magoichi's vid was indeed in the Uesugi stage. Right after the stage starts, he says "I am the invincible commander!! As long as I am here Kawanakajima is invincible!!" and Keiji responds: "But weren't you defeated by the kids next door the other day?" Then Maggie fights Keiji, Kasuga and then...HIM!! In his intro he's standing near a cliff, and says "I am the invincible main character!!!" while trying to pull out his sword, but when he manages to do it it ends up flying down the cliff.... And then Kenshin comes flying down right away. It really happened in the blink of an eye, but since his intro came up when Maggie was about to activate a skill, he was hit and defeated right after appearing... Kobayashi said so too after the vid, because it was really too fast to see XD And yes, he has the love helmet. His face is kinda generic, more or less like the anime one. Aah...Maggie owns, people....her vid can't come soon enough.... |
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| BlackKite | Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:35 pm Post #2443 |
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Alright, thanks. Heh, hilarious as usual. wwww So that means Uesugi's stage is a snowy Kawanakajima then? |
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:44 pm Post #2444 |
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I...guess so? It's shaped like a circle with the main base in the center, IIRC...but I didn't see rivers or anything....I wonder... The people at the event (ok, the girls) made quite a reaction when Kanetsugu popped up. I didn't know he was that famous... Anyway, Yoshi is pretty scary in the vids. There's a closeup of his eyes in the cutscenes, and in his vid you see him talking, the mouth moving behind the bandages...creepy. But he looks really fun to play. For dodging, his carpet (?) spins around... Anyway, I wonder why the Motos and Tadakatsu have been left vid-less too...they wanted to give precedence to the new characters, I guess.... |
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| Manta Punk | Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:55 pm Post #2445 |
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Uh, I guess Kanetsugu is still a joke. I don't really mind, but when stuff like this is thrown about:It annoys me. I know hes supposed to be the comic relief, but I that quote was a hit below the belt and a insult to his historical counter part [/rantingfanboymode]Well, I'm happy that Yoshi got a decent potrayal at least. We need a good ol' creepy character to give the little kids nightmares >:] Anyway NDY, did you spot any generic generals we thought may have a chance of becoming playable? |
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| ChrisX | Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:01 pm Post #2446 |
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Erm, you know Okiayu is out of picture now that story-wise, Hideyoshi has been ousted by Ieyasu, thus he's not appearing? Unless he gets himself to voice one of the new additions. To be honest, I'm surprised with how they demoted Kojyuuro and Sasuke. But if it means more chance for Hanzo to appear... then bring it on. Oh, and Maggie is actually on the East now? Wow... |
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| Nine Demons Yoshitaka | Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:13 pm Post #2447 |
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Well, according to Kobayashi all chars have "choices" they can make on their story mode. The "ending percentage" on the title screen probably means how much of their possible paths you have seen... Maggie pretty much seems she could go either way. Keiji too... We'll just have to see. As for generics, I saw Ii Naomasa. So I guess the Shitenno are out of the question... |
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| Hondam | Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:06 pm Post #2448 |
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Damn, no Naomasa? Well there's go one of my hopefuls...But on the other hand, that Tokugawa remark by Koba obviously means something/someone, but who? Hanzou seems like the most likely seeing as how the other Shitennou are still generics. But eh, as long as Ieyasu gets someone other than Tadakatsu I'm all set. |
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| Claus | Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:49 pm Post #2449 |
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Kojuuro and Sasuke NPCs.... No Nobuyuki (>.<) No Naomasa (>.<) Sasuke is NPCified (This isn't too bad because the thing i like most about him is his personality) Kojuuro NPCified( And i want to play as him so bad! I wish i had SB2:H) ... Well, i Today i've decided that i'm going to spend all my time today researching. I'm going to get my sengoku books and find a Samurai to get hyped for. Its nice to know Yoshitsugu and MAgoichi are beasts, i can't wait to see them! But i guess no demo will be released on PSN though. |
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| Watchtower | Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:12 pm Post #2450 |
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There was a reason why I had always kept Sasuke's and Kojuro's playability status as questionable, despite everyone initially believing them to be playable: Unless directly confirmed, I don't wanna make any assumptions that would end up a sucker punch below the belt. And look what happened. Sasuke and Kojuro are NPCs. Still feels like a sucker punch though. It looks like Koba's throwing the game's success in the hands of a large number of newcomers, using old veterans to soften up the blows. So many characters cut, and so many more reduced to NPCs. Cut characters, I can ignore for the sake of enjoying the game, but NPCs? Unique characters that you'll never be able to play as, but show up anyway, as though taunting you? That bites. So now we just have to see how the newcomers do. Mitsunari and Ieyasu's revamped moveset have already impressed me, and it looks like Yoshitsugu and Magoichi are just as great. Let's see how the latter two play, and let's see who else hops on board. |
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Well,if they still want Matsunaga in,he should be the replacement for Kojuro.But then,nahh since its based on Sekigahara.











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