Paris, doesn't Deserve be be a character in the game! Legends of Troy

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Paris, doesn't Deserve be be a character in the game! Legends of Troy
Topic Started: Aug 7 2009, 04:08 AM (378 Views)
The Trojan Horse	Aug 7 2009, 04:08 AM Post #1
First Lieutenant Posts: 191 Group: Members Member #22,990 Joined: July 31, 2009 Gender Male	The title says it all. The Illiad shows Paris to be a coward, taking little part in the battle for Troy. His older brother Hector, on different occassions even berates his brother for his lack of courage, spending all his time with Helen while good men bled and died for his sins. Other than firing a few arrows that missed thier mark and wounded or killing others around his targets, Paris did nothing to be called a hero. Yet, I see KOEI has already has character art for him in thier upcoming game!!! Makes me think they have not even read the Illiad. And before anyone says "Didn't Paris kill Achilles?", the answer is no. He is not even mentioned being near Achilles. Instead, the Illiad states Apollo shot Achilles, because Achilles wouldn't back down when Apollo ordered him to stop attacking Troy. How do you feel about it?



Seraphil	Aug 7 2009, 05:04 AM Post #2
稲が成敗いたします！ Posts: 3,832 Group: Moderators Member #1,112 Joined: March 16, 2006 Gender Male	Since when was Paris confirmed playable? You have to have him in as a character though, because he's the **** who started everything.
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The Trojan Horse	Aug 7 2009, 05:08 AM Post #3
First Lieutenant Posts: 191 Group: Members Member #22,990 Joined: July 31, 2009 Gender Male	Seraphil Aug 7 2009, 05:04 AM Since when was Paris confirmed playable? You have to have him in as a character though, because he's the ** who started everything. Koei has a picture of him in thier artwork along with Achilles, Odysseus and Hector, so it looks like he will be one of the playable characters. As part of the game as a non-playable character, I have no problem, since he started it all. But, not as a playable HERO. Too many other characters that are much more deserving that this tool. Edited by The Trojan Horse**, Aug 7 2009, 05:10 AM.



Seraphil	Aug 7 2009, 05:10 AM Post #4
稲が成敗いたします！ Posts: 3,832 Group: Moderators Member #1,112 Joined: March 16, 2006 Gender Male	Well, I'll stay optimistic and just hope Koei isn't wasting a player slot on Paris.
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Astus	Aug 7 2009, 07:08 AM Post #5
Frakkin' Toaster Posts: 2,755 Group: Admins Member #8,568 Joined: July 17, 2007 Gender Male	I believe KOEI will stick with the more modernised, Hollywood-ish feel of the Illiad. In that they'll portray Helen and Paris as having true love and fighting to stay together. That's the image I'm getting.
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The Trojan Horse	Aug 7 2009, 07:27 AM Post #6
First Lieutenant Posts: 191 Group: Members Member #22,990 Joined: July 31, 2009 Gender Male	I was thinking, why not have forum members name characters they think is deserving and why they should be in the game. I't doesn't have to been warriors, it could say be seers or other main character you think could have a part in the over the top style Koei is known for with thier player characters. Just for fun. Hector, Odysseus and Achilles are a given. How about Diomedes? He was one of the greatest of the Argive heroes, was there from the beginning of the siege, the youngest of the great Heroes, and one of the very few survivors. His story would be intertwined throughout the siege. He was one of the warriors that entered the Trojan Horse. Or, Penthesilea, daughter of Ares, Queen of the Amazon, she comes after the death of Hector, and while fights in only one battle at Troy (killed by Achilles), she has a very interesting background that can be used by Koei to make some cool musou (stories). There are plenty more very interesting characters to choose from. I'll let the forum readers, name thier picks, and I'll add a few unusual ones later.



Astus	Aug 7 2009, 07:32 AM Post #7
Frakkin' Toaster Posts: 2,755 Group: Admins Member #8,568 Joined: July 17, 2007 Gender Male	Clytemnestra. Her daughter was killed by her husband to appease the gods. She killed him whilst he was bathing. It works. KOEI could also capitalise on the opportunity presented by making their relationship tenuous and the like. They could also pull a few strings to make her appear at Troy and attack her husband there. Being that Agamemnon is such a prominent figure, it might give her a better chance.
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DarkDante	Aug 7 2009, 10:21 AM Post #8
Madridista Posts: 950 Group: Members Member #10,840 Joined: November 6, 2007 Gender Male	Paris WILL be a playable character I have no doubt about it, he's too pivotal to the plot to not be, regardless of what he did on the battlefield. I'm worried the roster will be terribly one sided to the Greeks because they are much more well known, hopefully we will see some interesting Trojan officers outside of Hector, Paris and Priam. Personally I would like to see: Deiphobus- The brother of Paris and Hector, since Koei are so fond of brotherly trios I think these 3 would be suitable Aeneas- The survivor, survived the fall of the city and went on to help found Rome Dolon- Spy for the Trojans Pandarus- No doubt there will be an expert marksman with the bow Antenor- Basically he would be the Sima Yi of the Trojans, Priam's chief advisor who turns on him and opens the gates for the Greeks
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The Trojan Horse	Aug 7 2009, 05:49 PM Post #9
First Lieutenant Posts: 191 Group: Members Member #22,990 Joined: July 31, 2009 Gender Male	I know, it seems he will be a playable character as you said, He just doesn't deserve to be one. He really is not so much a pivotal character, just a catalyst for the war. I just do not see making a musou mode for him. The forum users have named some interesting choices. I like many of them. Here is one more that would work well, yet little is know about him, mainly because he died at Achilles hand after the death of Hector in the war. Memnon: A ally of Troy. King of the Ethiopians. Son of Eos, goddess of the Dawn. The Illiad states he was just a proud and menacing as Achilles and resembled Ares himself in his warlike nature. There is a chapter in the Illiad dedicated to Memnon. Memnon's battle with Achilles is epic. Memnon could easily be fleshed out with a musou story starting with his exploits in Ethiopia. I envision him as a great darkskinned warrior with golden, bright shining armor, with a huge spear. Koei could even introduce war elephants with the Ethiopian host, even though they are not mentioned in the Illiad. Here is another to think about which is not a warrior... Cassandra: Daughter or Priam the king of Troy. She plays a large role in the tale, and is the seeress of Apollo. IF, Koei decides to go over the top they way the did Dynasty warriors, the Cassandra could work. I envision her with a staff sling for a weapon. She would be blindfolded and the power of Apollo would surround her. Her story ends badly, (raped and murdered) Too dark for my taste. Instead when Troy falls I would have her finish her musou, by guarding the shrine of Apollo. The temple is ablaze, and at the last moment before death, Apollo carries her off to the fields. (she is dead but in a better place and untouched by the Argives.) I would have loved to have had a chance to write the musou modes for some of the character for Legends of Troy. Hope Koei will do a good job.



Kittn	Aug 8 2009, 12:36 AM Post #10
Zhou Yu's Lap Cat Posts: 369 Group: Members Member #9,843 Joined: September 21, 2007 Gender Female	Quote: Aeneas- The survivor, survived the fall of the city and went on to help found Rome Yes please. I'm partial to the Roman side as well. :3 And I loved Aeneas' story in particular. If he's in there he'd probably be the person I'd play first.
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The Trojan Horse	Aug 8 2009, 02:10 AM Post #11
First Lieutenant Posts: 191 Group: Members Member #22,990 Joined: July 31, 2009 Gender Male	I agree, Aeneas is one of the BEST of the Trojans Heroes. Second only to Hector. He is there from the beginning when Paris enters Sparta, to the end of Troy. His tale would truely make a great musou mode for the game. He was a son of Aphrodite, and the son in law to Priam. He was married to Creusa. He is said to be a aged hero yet still the pride of Troy. Seem to fought in every engagement during the 10 year siege. Notice we have already named, named 8 characters for Troy that could be made into characters not counting Hector! There are plenty more good ones without the villian Paris. I'll name a couple later, and add some information of some already mentioned for forum readers that have not read the Illiad.



Seraphil	Aug 8 2009, 07:57 AM Post #12
稲が成敗いたします！ Posts: 3,832 Group: Moderators Member #1,112 Joined: March 16, 2006 Gender Male	Aeneas is such an obvious, perfect choice for the Trojan side I'd shoot myself if Koei didn't have him playable.
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DarkDante	Aug 8 2009, 09:42 AM Post #13
Madridista Posts: 950 Group: Members Member #10,840 Joined: November 6, 2007 Gender Male	I always think of Aeneas as the Liao Hua or Cheng Pu of the Trojan War lol. Anyway I wonder if the gods will play a big part in this game or if Koei will keep it relatively "realistic". When you read the Illiad the god's play a massive part, they favour certain warriors and often save them from certain death or give them aid in battle.
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Red Knight	Aug 8 2009, 05:03 PM Post #14
1948-2009: THE GRAND SLAM DREAM LIVES ON! Posts: 6,547 Group: Members Member #1,747 Joined: April 28, 2006	I think that it should be a mix of both, the gods do play a role in the Iliad, but it should remain relatively realistic(not as "realistic" as the movie) For the Trojan side, Glaucus and Sarpedon would make great additions. Also, the entire Trojan contingent in the Trojan War does more than Paris, actually everybody does more than Paris Glaucus- One of the Lycian contingent helping the Trojans, he exchanges armour with Diomedes instead of fighting with him, trading his golden armour with Diomedes' bronze armour. Outside of that, he plays a reasonably big role in the Iliad Sarpedon- Cousin of Glaucus and a son of Zeus. He is amongst the strongest of the Trojans and their allies, at least until he is killed by Patroclus masquerading as Achilles. A possible end to his story could be having an epic duel with Patroclus and dying at the end of it
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Amari Ade Lord of Ohray	Aug 13 2009, 01:19 AM Post #15
Elite Soldier Posts: 58 Group: Members Member #22,913 Joined: July 25, 2009 Gender Male	lets take a look at one cowardly character in Koei. Imagawa, was he really neccesary, and some of u say Paris is undeserving of being a warrior in the game. Imagawa sure was no warrior, as for Paris he took out Achillies that should count for something.



Seraphil	Aug 13 2009, 04:13 AM Post #16
稲が成敗いたします！ Posts: 3,832 Group: Moderators Member #1,112 Joined: March 16, 2006 Gender Male	Amari Ade Lord of Ohray Aug 13 2009, 01:19 AM lets take a look at one cowardly character in Koei. Imagawa, was he really neccesary, and some of u say Paris is undeserving of being a warrior in the game. Imagawa sure was no warrior, as for Paris he took out Achillies that should count for something. Oh for the love of... Yoshimoto Imagawa was NOT A COWARDLY FOOL. That's just how he is shown in Samurai Warriors! He was a powerful leader and general, a talented politician and skilled at archery. He IS necessary as he shows one of the strongest pillars of the old way of Japan falling to the new, aka Nobunaga. Stop posting.
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The Trojan Horse	Aug 13 2009, 06:08 AM Post #17
First Lieutenant Posts: 191 Group: Members Member #22,990 Joined: July 31, 2009 Gender Male	Amari Ade Lord of Ohray Aug 13 2009, 01:19 AM lets take a look at one cowardly character in Koei. Imagawa, was he really neccesary, and some of u say Paris is undeserving of being a warrior in the game. Imagawa sure was no warrior, as for Paris he took out Achillies that should count for something. Just wanted to correct you on one point about Paris. He did NOT take out Achillies. The Illiad states Apollo shot Achillies, because Achillies dared to defy him by not backing down during a attack on the Trojans. It was a divine arrow from Apollo's own bow, and had nothing to do with Paris.



orangesunset	Oct 30 2009, 08:39 PM Post #18
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Fa Zheng	Oct 30 2009, 10:25 PM Post #19
Ginchiyo & Nene Sw3 hotties!!!!! Posts: 373 Group: Members Member #21,710 Joined: April 17, 2009	I thought paris did kill achilles and poseidon whispered in paris's ear telling him about his heel. That cassandra woman sounds like a good character too have. I the film troy was that woman who was from troy and slept with achilles real, if so i think she should be in.
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The Trojan Horse	Nov 2 2009, 04:49 AM Post #20
First Lieutenant Posts: 191 Group: Members Member #22,990 Joined: July 31, 2009 Gender Male	Fa Zheng Oct 30 2009, 10:25 PM I thought paris did kill achilles and poseidon whispered in paris's ear telling him about his heel. That cassandra woman sounds like a good character too have. I the film troy was that woman who was from troy and slept with achilles real, if so i think she should be in. Nay, that movie screwed up half the story. From the Illiad, under the Chapter: The Death of Achillies. Second Chapter: But Phoebus Apollo, looking down on the plain strewn with corpses, felt anger rise within him. Like a beast of prey intent on its quarry he descentded from Olympus and slung over his shoulder was his quiver jangling with deadly arrows. Thus he faced the son of Peleus. His eyes darted flame, and the earth quaked under his tread. And now he raised his voice and thundered at Achilles: "Let the Trojans be, son of Peleus! Make a end of this Slaughter! Beware, lest one of the immortals destroy you!" Achilles recognized the voice of the god perfectly, but he did not recoil in fear. Ignoring the warning he replied:"Why do you spur me on to fight with gods, by always favoring the Trojans? Once before you roused me to fury by snatching Hector ou of my hands. Now I advise you to go back to the other gods, for if you do not, my spear will surely strike you, even though you are immortal!" With these words he turned form Apollo and back to the Trojans. But Phoebus, in grim resentment, shrouded himself in cloud fitted a arrow to his string, and through the impenetrable mist shot the son of Peleus in his vulnerable heel. So as you can read, it was Apollo himself that killed Achilles. It had nothing to do with Poseidon (after all Achilles was the son of one of Poseidon's sea nymths), nor the usless Paris. As for the woman you mentioned. Achilles fell in love/lust with NO woman from Troy. Another, Hollywood myth. He did however, capture and desired the woman Briseis. She was the daughter of the King Briseus of Lyrnessus, during his marauding expeditions. Agamemnon claimed her and most of the treasure Achilles captured, and that was the reason for the hatred between the two.



Edward The Black Prince	Nov 2 2009, 03:15 PM Post #21
Searching For Candy Posts: 159 Group: Members Member #22,368 Joined: June 10, 2009 Gender Male	Paris doesn't deserve to be a Playable character, and Eneas was one of the most great Troyan Warriors he deserves to be in this game I have a question, and seem that here are people that like the Greek history.... why they always say's ODYSEUS,His name is Ulises...it's Bother mea really long time...until i don't care anymore....
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The Trojan Horse	Nov 2 2009, 08:45 PM Post #22
First Lieutenant Posts: 191 Group: Members Member #22,990 Joined: July 31, 2009 Gender Male	Edward The Black Prince Nov 2 2009, 03:15 PM Paris doesn't deserve to be a Playable character, and Eneas was one of the most great Troyan Warriors he deserves to be in this game I have a question, and seem that here are people that like the Greek history.... why they always say's ODYSEUS,His name is Ulises...it's Bother mea really long time...until i don't care anymore.... To answer your question Odysseus is from the Greek Ὀ��, while Ulysses is from the Latin: Ulixes. So both are proper dependant on it the translation of the source matterial. Since this is originally told in the Greek, Odysseus is the most common form of the name.



Chou Hi	Nov 25 2009, 12:51 PM Post #23
Weapon... I have it all! Posts: 107 Group: Members Member #23,783 Joined: October 8, 2009 Gender Male	Seriously, guy, what are you getting so worked up about? a) Achilles doesn't die in the Illiad, the story ends with Hector's funeral b) Most renditions of the Trojan War's tale attribute Achilles' death to Paris (though most agree that Apollo helped by either directing the arrow or poisoning it for Paris) c) The Illiad isn't the only book on the subject, so it's Koei's prerogative if they want to be strict to it or research other sources d) ALMOST NOTHING HAS BEEN REVEALED SO FAR Seriously, Paris has just a right to be in the game as any of the other characters that appear in the war. He also has a right to be made more important that source works make him out to be when most source works are lost. So seriously, just relax and see what Koei decides to do. Nothing revealed is set in stone until the game is released. That's why many companies don't allow photography at E3 anymore.
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