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| Would there be at least a mention of the Korean campaign? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:16 am (1,960 Views) | |
| icewizard612 | Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:16 am Post #1 |
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It could be a great level for Kiyomasa. It could be like the Nanman of SW. Not very important, yet unique. Could also be tedious like DW3 and DW4. But, if they added the stage, they probably would have to put in Yi-Sun-Sin... |
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| bain_nick | Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:14 am Post #2 |
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I would like it for its variation, but I don;t see them alienating their Korean audience... [Insert Slick comment here] |
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| LoW | Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:52 pm Post #3 |
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So you're saying that Koreans should be potrayed as barbarians ? Yeah, I'm sure that would make things even better... If you want to see Nanman of SW stage, a fictional stage Invasion of Hokkaido (Toyotomi vs. Matsumae/Ainu) would seem better choice.Personally, I think that adding the Korean Campaign itself is not necessary but it should be mentioned at least. That campaign basically sealed the fate of Mitsunari and Western Army. |
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| icewizard612 | Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:53 pm Post #4 |
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I meant to say that they would be off the beaten track of a samurai dominated realm. The Nanman gave an unique experience with the exotic tone. |
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| SRS | Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:54 pm Post #5 |
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We have our Nanman already. It's called Kyushu. |
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| ChibiGingi | Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:53 am Post #6 |
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Well, as much as I'd love for there to be a level, maybe a slight mention of it (ala SW2) would be sufficient. Besides, could be political issues. But maybe I'm looking too deep into that topic. Why would Korea nuke Japan over a silly video game depicting their past 'relations'? Edited by ChibiGingi, Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:53 am.
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| Kiheiji | Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:56 am Post #7 |
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Korea nuke Japan? depends on which Korea you are talking about, South or North? By the way, I didn't think anybody will make a topic like this. So DW had Shu's Nanman Campaign and people think SW should get one like that and they said Korean Campaign will be good. I guess I have to remind you that wasn't a campaign like what Ieyasu did at Osaka or Shingen at Odawara. This is a war that lasts seven years and involves three countries (actually, Hideyoshi was bent on Asian domination. It was said he had targeted India). The game is about the Azuchi-Momoyama period (that's what they call the Nobunaga-Hideyoshi era), how it begins, and how it ends. The Imjin War was surely a grand stage involving Hideyoshi but he already had plenty of campaigns including his days with Nobunaga and so does Kiyomasa. A little mention of it could be great (certainly Mitsunari was not the reason Kiyomasa left the Toyotomi but it was Korea). I don't really find Kyushu as SW's Nan Zhong. Maybe they should put a fictional battle between Hideyoshi and/or any Tohoku clans against the Ainu and the Kakizaki (I prefer to call them Kakizaki). |
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| Astus | Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:39 am Post #8 |
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I would like to hear some mention of it. Especially when it comes to Kiyomasa's and Kanbei's story modes as it may add some fuel. Maybe a small cutscene depicting it as an overall failure without really going into details could be made? I don't mind either way, just as long as it is mentioned. |
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| Xalfrea | Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:03 pm Post #9 |
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That's exactly what I thought when I played Kyushu for the first time. At any rate the very least I'm hoping is something like "Hideyoshi's attempted conquest of foreign lands would later prove fatal for his rule". |
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| DarkDante | Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:24 pm Post #10 |
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Has everybody forgotten the fact that the Japanese actually lost?? I don't see how you can make a level where you eventually lose.... Also how would Koei justify it? Hideyoshi's campaigns into Korea were aggresive expansion, that does not fit into character with SW Hideyoshi at all, now uniting Japan is one thing, invading other indepedent countries just for sake of it, is another thing entirely. That is unless the Koreans were portrayed as somehow being bad guys, despite the fact they are just defending their homeland which would probably insult every Korean on the planet. Also as Shakedown alluded to, it opens a whole new can of worms what with the Chinese becoming involved, can you imagine the uproar if the Japanese were depicted as beating BOTH the Chinese and Koreans?? But yea I think it should at least be mentioned, given it's importance. |
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| Claus | Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:45 pm Post #11 |
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Thats exactly why it should not be in the game..... they should just ignore it as a level. They can mention it, just like "hideyoshi tried to dominate asia and failed" then move on from that
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| Mr.Honda | Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:59 pm Post #12 |
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Yea, have it mentioned as part of a narrated scene prior to engaging in an actual battle. I think its relative & important enough to have it included, it just doesn't need to become a full-on battle if there are sensitive areas they want to avoid. |
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| LoW | Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:05 pm Post #13 |
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They shouldn't have the battle because Japanese forces were not victorious? What kind of excuse is that? That's like saying "Hey let's not have Sekigahara because "the good guys" lost that battle" >_>. Besides, although the campaign was a failure Japanese forces were victorious in numerous battles. They could give Kiyomasa one of those battles but as I said before, not necessary. Kiyomasa and the rest of Toyotomi officers should just stay on Japan since that's where the most important battles were fought. |
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| ChibiGingi | Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:41 pm Post #14 |
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They weren't invading for the sake of invading. There is always a good reason why one nation would want to invade the other. More resources, for starters. I vaguely remembering reading about this in my modern Asian history class, but I'm pretty sure it Hideyoshi wasn't just doing it for shits and giggles. Also, since when does losing = no right for level. Sekigahara, Yi Ling for Shu, Chi Bi for Wei, Tedi-whateveritsfaceis for the Oda? Sorry, not a strong argument against that. Just because Japan lost doesn't mean is can't be a level. And I don't really see Kyushu being the Nanman stage, but that's just me. Either way, as much as I would like for it to be a level for development for some characters, I can live with a brief mention of it. Hasn't stopped Koei before (Nobunaga dealing with the Mouri, Hideyoshi's campaign against Motochika). If anything, it'll just be another Pirate level, and trust me, we don't need any more filler levels. |
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| AdventGreatness | Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:06 pm Post #15 |
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Hokkaido would be portrayed as the Nanman of SW. Not Korea...that'd only make matters worse. They should mention it. Like briefly. Hmm, but I'd wish to see it in SW4
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| SRS | Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:40 am Post #16 |
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I don't see why people don't see Kyushu as SW's Nanman. It's a stage invading a southern part of the country, with enemies dressed in exotic(in this case, Western-ish) armor, led by a big burly man, involving a tough-as-nails woman, with numerous traps being sprung by the southerners but countered by the northerners, and the enemy finally capitulates and willing joins the northerners. Heck, THEY'RE ALL PURPLE TOO! Korea was a case of Japan being bastards; Hideyoshi didn't even want Korea, he just wanted an easy way into China and then India. There was no material gain, only a bunch of people dying over 7 years for what? The Koreans might have won, but they still were left with a pillaged and ravaged country. Japan was left with many high-positioned people disenchanted by their leadership, which would further wear'n'tear the country with Sekigahara. Hideyoshi was senile at the time of the Korean invasions, didn't you know? After Odawara, Hideyoshi became a crazed dictator. He executed his nephew Hidetsugu, whom he had retired in favor of, when Hideyori was born. On top of that, he executed EVERYONE with Hidetsugu who was immediate family, staff assigned to him BY Hideyoshi(including Maeno Nagayasu who had served Hideyoshi loyally since the one-night castle escapade,) or a certain princess given by a daimyo in order to show their loyalty to Hideyoshi(Mogami Yoshiaki's daughter Koma was to become Hidetsugu's wife, and she arrived the day that Hideyoshi ordered the entire family executed. This basically was a magnitude-10 scale spitting in the face to Yoshiaki, who became a heavy supporter of Ieyasu afterwards.) There is NO appropriate reason to make Korea a stage. Even the Japanese fans I've seen on places like Nico Nico Douga don't mention it at all. And come on, Hokkaido as Nanman? Not only were the Ainu completely at PEACE with Japan during Sengoku and even engaging in trade with them, but there was never any sort of Japanese invasion of the place at the time. The Matsumae themselves were Toyotomi loyalists and their liaison with the Ainu and northern traders! Chibi, none of those examples work because both sides are in the game as fully-playable forces. The Korean invasion was Japanese aggression against an outside nation. A more proper comparison would be Wu's invasion of modern-day Vietnam. |
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| AzaiSoul | Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:48 am Post #17 |
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Speaking of Kyushu, I recently completed Yoshishiro's story mode and wow, there was a lot more to it than I anticipated. I especially loved the three-sided battle at the end...I wish there were more three-sided battles. It reminded me of the awesome Masamune Date stages from SW1, before they made him a complete tool. On-topic: I agree with Seraphil, including Korea doesn't seem appropriate at all. Especially considering it'd be quite difficult and messy to offer equal representation for both sides. Edited by AzaiSoul, Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:49 am.
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| JasBell | Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:57 am Post #18 |
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As good as adding Korean into SW3, I do not think Koei should do it. It would be to much trouble and maddness coming for Koei if they do. They could get sued and SW3 could get banned if they do. I normally didn't see Korean as the Nanman of Samurai Warriors. Korean was a complete different than the Nanman. |
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| icewizard612 | Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:16 am Post #19 |
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Wow my topic exploded. O_O This why I said if they going to put Korea as stage they would need to put Yi-Sun-Sin in as representation for Korea, personally. I started this topic, because IMO, the Imjin War was a almost centrifugal part of the later sengoku era that started the events leading up to Sekigahara. I was dissapointed in SW2 when they didn't mention it instead of going the easy way out. The Imjin war topic gets rarely mentioned outside of the Korean circle. There are no prominent books availible on the subject in the western world. I've talked to my friends all about everything that happened in the war, especially Yi-Sun-Sin, I mean, wow, here is a man who was pivotal force that decided the fate of his country and drove back the Japanese with an almost unmatched skill in naval stratagy in the history of the world. *coughnelsoncough* I always thought even if the Koreans were to lose, I'd be still glad it was in the game. *sigh* I guess my dream for a Korea level is just wishful thinking. I think Koei doesn't really want to adknowledge the event, seeing as in Japansese textbooks the whole ordeal is only mentioned a little. Edited by icewizard612, Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:34 am.
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| AdventGreatness | Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:32 am Post #20 |
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dude, now you know the forum users on here I'd like them to add it though like i said |
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| ChibiGingi | Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:35 am Post #21 |
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*shrug* Weren't those battles merely mentioned then as well? I don't see any harm in the invasion, failed or not, being mentioned. I don't see why so many people are adamantly against it either. What's this? Japan doing a not-nice thing and try invading a poor, innocent little country to get to another? Oh no! Japan cannot be evil! It cannot! Japan is happy, innocent and pure! In all honesty, it's just not worth making a big deal out of. I'm sure the game's value will be the same, regardless if their attempt on invading Korea is mentioned or not. If it does, people are losing the main focus of the game, which is to run around and beat up people with a red or yellow lifebar over their heads (and the storylines too). With or without Korea's mention, the game will go on. It's just a matter of filling in the gaps for those involved in it. Isn't that what Pirate and Save the Village levels were for in SW2, to fill up an empty spot anyway? Edited by ChibiGingi, Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:36 am.
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| icewizard612 | Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:36 am Post #22 |
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BTW why did you say for them to add it in SW4? Do they need this installment to expand on other things? |
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| AdventGreatness | Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:38 am Post #23 |
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Hmm,they should just make those battles DLC @IceWizard:Umm, I don't see them adding this in the SW3 saga. |
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| icewizard612 | Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:41 am Post #24 |
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Heh, with the Wii's ability to stream data from the SD card, DLC may be a possibility. |
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| AdventGreatness | Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:52 am Post #25 |
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I don't see it in SW3 |
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? Yeah, I'm sure that would make things even better... If you want to see Nanman of SW stage, a fictional stage Invasion of Hokkaido (Toyotomi vs. Matsumae/Ainu) would seem better choice.










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