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| Seraphil | Oct 13 2009, 06:50 AM Post #1 |
The name is Okuni of Izumo... shall we dance to this ballad of fire and steel?
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Despite the familiar looks, so far this has been a good deal different from Iron Triangle. You build roads to claim influence over local infrastructure, and then can build related buildings in the vicinity: roads also can be built through mountain paths and such. The topography is a good deal changed as well: Gassantoda Castle can reach Okayama Castle directly, for example. You can now build defenses anywhere(bow towers, rally stations, etc.) Troop counts are lower: average troop count for regular officers is about 4000. However, officers can be grouped in battalions of 5: each officer commands a squad. Officer abilities have been truncated to one each, and in return you can now combo attacks together. For example, if one officers uses a bow skill, any other officer in the squad with bows has a chance of joint attacking afterward. All officers have a battle skill, so now there's reason to keep some of the guys with low stats around. Randomized princesses are back, and now randomized sons are available as well. You can turn them off or make their appearance rate high, too. More to come. |
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| Seraphil | Oct 14 2009, 05:43 AM Post #2 |
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The name is Okuni of Izumo... shall we dance to this ballad of fire and steel?
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I'm really liking the freedom I have in building defenses now. Playing as Amago Haruhisa, one of your biggest disadvantages at the beginning is how far Gassantoda Castle is from the Ouchi and Yamana clans(despite the very nice boost to stats and such for the Amago in this game, they still don't match up to the Mouri at all.) This is nicely solved after you build up your revenue: just build fortresses on the edge of your territory. Once you're prepared, and especially when the enemy is preoccupied, you can send in troops to encroach on enemy territory and claim the local towns for your own use. This also gives you positions even deeper in enemy territory to build new fortresses so you can rally troops there. |
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| Sanada Nobushige | Oct 15 2009, 04:32 PM Post #3 |
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do you know how to get Sanada Ten Braves? i only got sarutobi.........but when it comes to ai, they always get them............ |
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| Sanada Nobushige | Oct 15 2009, 08:14 PM Post #4 |
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^ never mind, i got them already:D...........pretty cool........ using sanada, i crushed takeda, beheaded katsuyori to get his armor and horse:D:D and captured kasugayama.......next hojo, date and satake.........waiting to get a bride for yukimura, but all princesses they offered were ugly LOL in this game, sanada got their own BGM. Edited by Sanada Nobushige, Oct 15 2009, 08:14 PM.
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| Seraphil | Oct 15 2009, 09:47 PM Post #5 |
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The name is Okuni of Izumo... shall we dance to this ballad of fire and steel?
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It seems like some clans might share BGM. I heard the same music for Hojo and Ogigayatsu-Uesugi clans. Scenario 1 Hojo is hard! You have no allies, few officers(although most of them are very good quality,) and everyone around you is allied with each other so your closest choice for an ally is Utsunomiya, who are useless where they stand. Being constantly attacked by Imagawa and Takeda joint attacks is grueling. I did get lucky had captured Yoshimoto himself, but I let him go so I could get the Triple Alliance event later. My main game is Asakura in scenario 1. Yoshikage's dad is SO much better than him it's not funny. It's also funny how they made grampa Soteki look so much younger when he's already 70 at the start. It's too bad they both die rather early. I'm hoping Takakage will have some awesome randomized sons/daughters to buffer up the clan before he passes. |
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| Sanada Nobushige | Oct 15 2009, 11:18 PM Post #6 |
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do you know how many after scenarios in this game? |
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| Seraphil | Oct 15 2009, 11:48 PM Post #7 |
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The name is Okuni of Izumo... shall we dance to this ballad of fire and steel?
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There's only the 6 main scenarios and 5 challenge scenarios. Beating a main scenario allows you the option to scramble clan placement in any new games. I believe the challenge scenarios will unlock the 5 pages of secret officers. Edited by Seraphil, Oct 15 2009, 11:52 PM.
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| Seraphil | Oct 16 2009, 04:35 AM Post #8 |
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The name is Okuni of Izumo... shall we dance to this ballad of fire and steel?
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Clan Unique Techs Name - Clan - Unit Type - Effect Great Counterattack - Hashiba/Toyotomi - Ashigaru - All troop types have +2 movement Mikawa Spirit - Matsudaira/Tokugawa - Ashigaru - Ashigaru unaffected by Stall and Commotion Furinkazan - Takeda - Cavalry - Cavalry unaffected by Stall and Commotion Rokumonsen - Sanada - Cavalry - All troop types Spirit and troop count increased God of War - Uesugi - Cavalry - Cavalry skill combo +20% Yoichi's Bow - Imagawa - Bow - Bow skill combo +20% Hyakuman Isshin - Mouri - Archers unaffected by Stall and Commotion Triple Formation - Oda - Musket - Musket firing delay -5 Dragon Knights - Date - Musket Cavalry +4 Attack, +4 Defense(requires Musket Cavalry tech) Primal Scream - Shimazu - Musket - Musket attack effects(morale down, confusion) rate +20% Propagation - Honganji - Musket - Musketeers unaffected by Stall and Commotion Bull's Eye - Suzuki - Musket - Musketeers range +1 Country Destroyer - Otomo - Siege - Cannon firing delay -10(Cannon tech required) Single Chain of Command - Chosokabe - Agriculture - Recruit command yield +30% Full Preparation - Hojo - Civil - Castles/Fortresses take half damage from enemy battle skills Edited by Seraphil, Oct 16 2009, 04:35 AM.
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| Sanada Nobushige | Oct 16 2009, 03:23 PM Post #9 |
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So, it means that i can replace shiba or ozaki with tozawa? |
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| Seraphil | Oct 16 2009, 10:14 PM Post #10 |
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The name is Okuni of Izumo... shall we dance to this ballad of fire and steel?
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Tozawa is a force in scenario 6. I believe they're subordinates of Anto in one of the other scenarios as well. I'm really bugged by how the Kasai are made subordinates of Shiba in this. They had like no relevance to each other; it would've made more sense to make them Osaki subs. Which bothers me a different way, that the Osaki get to be a clan again, but Kasai don't when those two clans were involved in each others affairs to a very high degree. Edit: Whoa! Okuni is an officer now! Edited by Seraphil, Oct 16 2009, 10:51 PM.
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| Sanada Nobushige | Oct 17 2009, 03:00 AM Post #11 |
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just finished with date.........like u said just an option to change a position of clan.......pretty disappointing......... it seems have to wait for PUK........ also Naoe Kanetsugu not so good in this game.......C C D C A..........only good for siege........ yeah i prefer they put tozawa rather than ozaki(bad stats)........too bad tozawa moriyasu doesn't have long lifespan...... Edited by Sanada Nobushige, Oct 17 2009, 03:08 AM.
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| Seraphil | Oct 17 2009, 11:00 AM Post #12 |
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The name is Okuni of Izumo... shall we dance to this ballad of fire and steel?
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Uh, didn't you see the option to change daimyo? And Tozawa is in Scenario 6! Edit: So, there are apparently five secret characters unlocked from the challenge scenarios, but I have no idea how you see if they're unlocked. I've already finished playing through the first two, and I've seen neither hide or hair of these characters. #1 Izumo no Okuni #2 Hojo Ujitsuna #3 Tachibana Ginchiyo #4 #5 No idea who the last two guys are. Edited by Seraphil, Oct 17 2009, 12:48 PM.
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| Sanada Nobushige | Oct 17 2009, 07:35 PM Post #13 |
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yeah i know, but i want tozawa and tachibana in other scenarios other than scenario 6.......in scenario 6, u can't die(old), and its also fictional...... btw do u know how to build osaka castle and odawara........when playing as date i could get odawara event, but as sanada i couldn't get the event. as far i know some officers have their own events........ Hisahide, after his rebellion from miyoshi, he would get his own banner and if u destroyed his clan, there is an event where his blow his castle. u don't need to be oda to get this event any clan will do..... Hōjō Tsunashige, when he was about to die, i got an event that will increase ur daiymo pow for +5 Naoe Kanetsugu, lead+5, int+5 Date Masamune, u only need to wait, don't need to attack ashina.... Ukita, Tsuguru same as Iron Triangle also if someone form coalition against u, u will get an event too and new BGM........ |
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| Seraphil | Oct 17 2009, 10:56 PM Post #14 |
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The name is Okuni of Izumo... shall we dance to this ballad of fire and steel?
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Tsunashige, Kato Kiyomasa, Otani Yoshitsugu and a few other officers (probably those important, high Lead and Valor guys) have a death event that gives their daimyo +5 Valor. Also, I found out that to get the secret characters, you have to complete the challenge scenarios with ALL forces in the scenarios. It's not hard, but it's tedious and takes a long time. I just went and grabbed the All Clear data elsewhere... |
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| Cerebral Assassin | Oct 18 2009, 06:10 PM Post #15 |
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Some portraits doesn't change. I've been looking at some screenshots and it shows the Azai didn't change their looks from Kakushin. Random sons are interesting. Does this apply to everybody? What about random daughters. |
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| Seraphil | Oct 18 2009, 06:23 PM Post #16 |
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The name is Okuni of Izumo... shall we dance to this ballad of fire and steel?
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Azai is one of the clans with no portrait updates. Random sons and daughters both are available. The Stats/aptitudes are more consistent than in Kakushin as well(you'll get kids with Bs and Cs in a couple skills, instead of just one A/S and a bunch of Ds.) Officers with new faces that I remember(besides the ones we've already seen on the site): Otani Yoshitsugu Asakura Soteki Hachisuka Masakatsu Shima Sakon Shimazu Yoshihiro Shimazu Toshihisa Arima Haruzumi Hori Hidemasa Takenaka Hanbei Kuroda Kanbei Kuroda Nagamasa Hosokawa Fujitaka Hosokawa Tadaoki Torii Mototada Hattori Masanari Kosaka Masanobu Akiyama Nobutomo Obu Toramasa Nakajo Fujisuke Usami Sadamitsu Honjo Shigenaga Naoe Kagetsuna Anto Kiyosue Nanbu Harumasa Tamura Takaaki Katakura Shigenaga Izumo no Okuni Tachibana Ginchiyo Edited by Seraphil, Oct 18 2009, 06:24 PM.
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| Seraphil | Oct 19 2009, 01:40 AM Post #17 |
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The name is Okuni of Izumo... shall we dance to this ballad of fire and steel?
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Ujiyasu is doing one HELL of a job of trying to make the Kanto Triple Alliance event not happen. He keeps marrying off Haru to Shingen or Ujihiro when I play as Imagawa and Takeda respectively. I eventually had to cheat, switch to Ujiyasu, and force him to ally normally with Takeda(me.) And now he's doing his best to destroy Imagawa, who has 40,000 troops, when Ota is sitting there weak with barely 15,000 troops! |
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| Sanada Nobushige | Oct 19 2009, 05:39 PM Post #18 |
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when i played as ootomo or tachibana, i didn't see genchiyo as muneshige wife's nor officer...... i have changed the option and still couldn't get random sons.......which option that i should change to get it.......i have changed the last one, but didn't work........ Edited by Sanada Nobushige, Oct 19 2009, 05:41 PM.
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| Fa Zheng | Oct 19 2009, 08:07 PM Post #19 |
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Are the tachibana in this game as a clan? |
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| Seraphil | Oct 19 2009, 09:31 PM Post #20 |
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The name is Okuni of Izumo... shall we dance to this ballad of fire and steel?
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Tachibana is present in the 6th scenario. Ginchiyo is a secret officer, so you must unlock her by completing Three Kingdoms of Kyushu with all three clans. For scenario options, they are arranged like this: Difficulty: Easy - Normal - Hard Edit Officers: Off - On Lifespan: Infinite - Historical - Extended Battle Deaths: None - Normal - Often Generated Sons: None - Normal - Often Generated Maidens: None - Normal - Often Clan Events: None - Your Clan Only - All Folklore Events: None - Your Clan Only - All |
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| Cerebral Assassin | Oct 19 2009, 09:38 PM Post #21 |
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Folklore? Interesting. From what seen on the site, if you turn it on, you'll have something like Kenshin being a woman, or Ieyasu being a kagemusha. How many folklore events are in the game? |
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| Seraphil | Oct 19 2009, 09:52 PM Post #22 |
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Those two are the main ones, but this option also activates non-historical choices for Clan Events, such as Nagamasa choosing to support the Oda instead of Asakura in 1569, or Mouri Motonari allowing Sue Harukata to live at Battle of Itsukushima. |
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| Sanada Nobushige | Oct 20 2009, 11:39 PM Post #23 |
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how to make an army show their flag like this trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD6TsJCwiGQ |
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| Seraphil | Oct 25 2009, 08:54 AM Post #24 |
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The name is Okuni of Izumo... shall we dance to this ballad of fire and steel?
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I really like being able to place where I want my fortresses to be built instead of having a specific small region where it must be built like in 12. Finally got the Hojo-Takeda-Imagawa alliance, and with them keeping my back safe, I can now focus on the Kanto region which is now almost fully under my control. However, a big, dangerous enemy is next... War Goddess Kenshin. She has a majority of the north under her control already, and Shingen has been uncharacteristically sitting on his ass and hasn't even taken out the Murakami yet, so I can't rely on him to keep her west occupied. This will be a tough fight, but WE ARE HOJO. |
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| VitaminM | Oct 25 2009, 08:40 PM Post #25 |
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With the alliance, the Hojo is pretty easy play . Even without the Hojo, I was able to sneak attack one of the daimyo north of them and got plenty of troops while the Takeda looking at me and wondering what's happen . That was because the guy got 15,000 and he sent 20,000 + 10,000 of Imagawa and they all weak and I take over. Then he got piss and sent like 40,000 troops at me lolz. I didn't follow up after it anyway, but the one in the corner of the sea on the right side of Hojo is easily beaten too if those other daimyo let me go straight in ^^. Can you tell me what the last two upgrade tech tree is ? I only know the one for upgrade castle keep but other than that I am clueless as they aren't really like Nobu12. They are Civil and Engineer tech tree that I need help with :). Also, the Mori are a pain in the butt, keep stealing my officer >< . Edited by VitaminM, Oct 25 2009, 09:25 PM.
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