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Unique NPC Speculation Thread
Topic Started: Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:58 pm (5,039 Views)
Master Sima Yi
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List of confirmed UNPCs:

- Aya
- Masanori Fukushima
- Final UNPC

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Seeing as how both SW1 and SW2 had Unique Non-Playable Characters, I guess it will not be weird that this will have any (and makes them playable in Xtreme Legends... ).

SW1 had Hideyoshi, Yoshimoto, Nagamasa, Ieyasu and Kennyo.
SW2 had Katsuie and Kojiro.

They had quite a big role in both games. Who do you think will be in this?

My guess will be Masanori Fukushima for sure... I mean, who will Kiyomasa have to talk to? A normal NPC?
Maybe Ujimasa Hojo as well. I figure that Kotaro will be as treacherous as he was before so Ujiyasu needs someone... A general to aid him.

Others I think wouldn't be strange to add:
- Nagamasa Kuroda
- Yasutomo Asahina
Edited by Master Sima Yi, Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:13 pm.
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Interesting topic, I could easily see Takeda Katsuyori, Uesugi Kagekatsu, Saito Dosan and Mogami Yoshiaki falling into this catergory. Pretty much all those who don't quite warrant taking up a vacant spot yet, but who could easily evolve into a PC in the future.
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Takenaka Hanbei
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SW1 had wayyyyy more unique npcs than just Hideyoshi and Yoshimoto...

Nagamasa, Honganji, Ieyasu, and a few others I believe but they aren't coming to me @_@...

Anyway if Masanori isn't added hopefully he is atleast unique... I can't think of anyone else though...
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Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:11 pm
SW1 had wayyyyy more unique npcs than just Hideyoshi and Yoshimoto...

Nagamasa, Honganji, Ieyasu, and a few others I believe but they aren't coming to me @_@...
Just those five, you are correct.

It is possible SM3 will bring out more unique NPC's as it did in the previous installments.
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I have feeling that SW3 will feature 1-3 unique NPCs. They confirmed that the game will have 37 playable characters but on the main site you can notice on character section that there would be room for 3 more characters.

When SW3 was announced, I was certain that Takeda Katsuyori, Uesugi Kagekatsu, Oda Nobutada or Tokugawa Hidetada would be playable. But since that doesn't seem to be the case (if there's one new character left, it's most likely a Mouri officer), I'm hoping that at least one of them gets unique appearance.
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Master Sima Yi
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Divine Kongming
Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:11 pm
SW1 had wayyyyy more unique npcs than just Hideyoshi and Yoshimoto...

Nagamasa, Honganji, Ieyasu, and a few others I believe but they aren't coming to me @_@...

Anyway if Masanori isn't added hopefully he is atleast unique... I can't think of anyone else though...
I feel so stupid now.... It's because I do not have the main Samurai Warriors game, just Xtreme Legends. Therefore I forgot Kennyo. The other two... I just forgot.

Still, Shingen needs someone since he doesn't have any real officers. Yukimura never really fought for Shingen and neither did Sakon. So maybe Katsuyori could be it. He seemed to have some important roles in both games and deserves a unique appearance...
Edited by Master Sima Yi, Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:57 pm.
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Highly doubt Nagamasa (as in Kanbei's son) will be an unique NPC since Kanbei is young here.

Here's what I think :

- Masayuki Sanada
- Hideaki Kobayakawa
- Junkei Tsutsui
- Hisahide Matsunaga
- Katsuyori Takeda
Edited by Kiheiji, Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:23 pm.
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Master Sima Yi
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Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:23 pm
Highly doubt Nagamasa (as in Kanbei's son) will be an unique NPC since Kanbei is young here.
Well, I wouldn't say young. Probably late 30s, early 40s. And if you look at Nagamasa Kuroda's Sahai no Yukue appearance, you can see that his armor has the same colors as Kanbei's outfit. I think they have more in stock for him.

Maybe the some role he has in Kessen, pushing Masanori (and Kiyomasa, I believe) to fight for the Eastern army.
Edited by Master Sima Yi, Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:26 pm.
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While I certainly don't expect all of these, I see these characters as the frontrunners:
- Masayuki Sanada
- Nobuyuki Sanada
- Motonari/Terumoto Mori (if one is the last new character, I can see the other as a unique NPC)
- Katsuyori Takeda
- Kagekatsu Uesugi
- Shigezane Date (bit of a wild card, I know, but I get the feeling they might try to give Masamune an ally within his own ranks)
- Naomasa Ii
- Hidetada Tokugawa
- Hideyori Toyotomi
Edited by Lord Manshoon, Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:40 pm.
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Dosetsu Tachibana ,Naomasa li ,Masonori ,and Hidetada.
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* Shudders * I'd rather them be generic and not-playable then unique and not-playable. It would make me want to be able to play as them...
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Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:14 pm
* Shudders * I'd rather them be generic and not-playable then unique and not-playable. It would make me want to be able to play as them...
I guess that's the whole point of them... to make them playable in an Xtreme Legends and we have to spend more money.
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Smily man
Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:14 pm
* Shudders * I'd rather them be generic and not-playable then unique and not-playable. It would make me want to be able to play as them...
I guess that's the whole point of them... to make them playable in an Xtreme Legends and we have to spend more money.
Actually I think the real point of them was to use them in the pre-rendered cutscenes. In SW1 I think only Honganji was the only one who wasn't featured in a pre-rendered cutscene (well, for that matter, Honganji is the only one who you can't face as an enemy officer, too). Or, perhaps, it has to do with their prominence in the storyline; could you imagine the Musashi duel where Kojiro was replaced with a generic officer?

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Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:13 am
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Smily man
Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:14 pm
* Shudders * I'd rather them be generic and not-playable then unique and not-playable. It would make me want to be able to play as them...
I guess that's the whole point of them... to make them playable in an Xtreme Legends and we have to spend more money.
Actually I think the real point of them was to use them in the pre-rendered cutscenes. In SW1 I think only Honganji was the only one who wasn't featured in a pre-rendered cutscene (well, for that matter, Honganji is the only one who you can't face as an enemy officer, too). Or, perhaps, it has to do with their prominence in the storyline; could you imagine the Musashi duel where Kojiro was replaced with a generic officer?

I was being a little bit sarcastic. But still, I have a point.

But I think that's only Kojiro, Nagamasa and Ieyasu were because of that. You can't say that about Katsuie. He was just there... for no reason. Yoshimoto and Kennyo could also be left out.

I don't think Kiyomasa has any friends now... only a rival named Mitsunari. Masanori just needs to be at least a unique NPC.
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Smily man
Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:14 pm
* Shudders * I'd rather them be generic and not-playable then unique and not-playable. It would make me want to be able to play as them...
I guess that's the whole point of them... to make them playable in an Xtreme Legends and we have to spend more money.
Actually I think the real point of them was to use them in the pre-rendered cutscenes. In SW1 I think only Honganji was the only one who wasn't featured in a pre-rendered cutscene (well, for that matter, Honganji is the only one who you can't face as an enemy officer, too). Or, perhaps, it has to do with their prominence in the storyline; could you imagine the Musashi duel where Kojiro was replaced with a generic officer?

I was being a little bit sarcastic. But still, I have a point.

But I think that's only Kojiro, Nagamasa and Ieyasu were because of that. You can't say that about Katsuie. He was just there... for no reason. Yoshimoto and Kennyo could also be left out.

I don't think Kiyomasa has any friends now... only a rival named Mitsunari. Masanori just needs to be at least a unique NPC.
Hideyoshi is Kiyomasa's friend and did you forget about Nene :hehe: ? Haha, I can't wait to see her and Kiyomasa's interaction in SW3. We already know what Mitsunari thinks about her.
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Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:14 pm
* Shudders * I'd rather them be generic and not-playable then unique and not-playable. It would make me want to be able to play as them...
I guess that's the whole point of them... to make them playable in an Xtreme Legends and we have to spend more money.
Actually I think the real point of them was to use them in the pre-rendered cutscenes. In SW1 I think only Honganji was the only one who wasn't featured in a pre-rendered cutscene (well, for that matter, Honganji is the only one who you can't face as an enemy officer, too). Or, perhaps, it has to do with their prominence in the storyline; could you imagine the Musashi duel where Kojiro was replaced with a generic officer?

I was being a little bit sarcastic. But still, I have a point.

But I think that's only Kojiro, Nagamasa and Ieyasu were because of that. You can't say that about Katsuie. He was just there... for no reason. Yoshimoto and Kennyo could also be left out.

I don't think Kiyomasa has any friends now... only a rival named Mitsunari. Masanori just needs to be at least a unique NPC.
Hideyoshi is Kiyomasa's friend and did you forget about Nene :hehe: ? Haha, I can't wait to see her and Kiyomasa's interaction in SW3. We already know what Mitsunari thinks about her.
Kiyomasa is Hideyoshi's retainer... I don't know if that's the same as being a friend. You can't say Tadakatsu and Ieyasu are friends. It's just a bond of loyalty. And Nene is Kiyomasa's 'mother', remember :hehe: ? Perhaps Hideyoshi is his 'father'.
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Kiyomasa and Hideyoshi were born in the same village and possibly were childhood friends despite their age difference. Also, the only reason why Kiyomasa joined Ieyasu during Sekigahara was because he hated Mitsunari and Yukinaga Konishi. It's been suspected that Ieyasu later had Kiyomasa killed because he was a friend to Toyotomi Hideyori.

Another possibility is that they give him a fictional friendship with other playable character(s).
Edited by LoW, Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:07 pm.
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I'm sure Kiyomasa and Kanbei will have some sort of link, but honestly don't know if they will be friends or enemies. If you go off what Koei did with Kessen it would suggest they will be friends, but given their contrasting appearences in SW3 who knows?
Edited by DarkDante, Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:41 pm.
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Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:38 pm
I'm sure Kiyomasa and Kanbei will have some sort of link, but honestly don't know if they will be friends or enemies. If you go off what Koei did with Kessen it would suggest they will be friends, but given their contrasting appearences in SW3 who knows?
Both were in Kyūshū by the time Sekigahara started, they would be allies since both were Hideyoshi's retainers and sided with the Eastern Army.
Despite Kanbei being a Christian follower, KOEI could change Kiyomasa's interaction with him if he does lay off the western assimilation he was known to despise, historically.
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* Shudders * I'd rather them be generic and not-playable then unique and not-playable. It would make me want to be able to play as them...
I guess that's the whole point of them... to make them playable in an Xtreme Legends and we have to spend more money.
Actually I think the real point of them was to use them in the pre-rendered cutscenes. In SW1 I think only Honganji was the only one who wasn't featured in a pre-rendered cutscene (well, for that matter, Honganji is the only one who you can't face as an enemy officer, too). Or, perhaps, it has to do with their prominence in the storyline; could you imagine the Musashi duel where Kojiro was replaced with a generic officer?

Also, Saito Dosan can be seen briefly in a SW1 video. He also had a concept art. They may as well just put him in the game and be done with it, since they already have a concept for him. :o
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Dosan's face wasn't seen in SW1.

Naomasa Ii should be a unique NPC and so does Hidemoto Mori and the other Mori guys in Sekigahara.
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I have my doubts about Dosan. He seems to be an early era character who also lacks battles (please correct me if I'm wrong). I'm under the impression that after he became lord of Mino, he only fought against Oda Nobuhide and later was killed in a battle against his own son Yoshitatsu.

However, I wouldn't mind seeing him in cutscenes where he has conversations with Nobunaga and No.
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ShakeDown: I didn't say it was. :o
He's just there, very briefly in a cutscene.
I agree though about Naomasa Ii, if not a playable character, he should at least be a unique.

LoW: About Dosan, if he has so few actual battles, they can always just give him the honor of being in a cutscene or two again. Or take the SW2 free-mode only route. :P
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I'm sure Kiyomasa and Kanbei will have some sort of link, but honestly don't know if they will be friends or enemies. If you go off what Koei did with Kessen it would suggest they will be friends, but given their contrasting appearences in SW3 who knows?
Both were in Kyûshû by the time Sekigahara started, they would be allies since both were Hideyoshi's retainers and sided with the Eastern Army.
Despite Kanbei being a Christian follower, KOEI could change Kiyomasa's interaction with him if he does lay off the western assimilation he was known to despise, historically.
Yep I knew about that, the thing that had me wondering was their extremely contrasting views on christianity, Kanbei was a devout christian, while Kiyomasa did some pretty terrible things to them...

And all I remember about Saito Dosan in SW1 was his badass voice: "Kill the fool" Haha that was awesome, his concept art also looked pretty good as well.
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If gracia is in this i think they might put tadoaki in as a NPC and stop thw whole stupid MAGO,MAGO stuff..
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