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Unique NPC Speculation Thread
Topic Started: Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:58 pm (5,048 Views)
Amakusa
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Fa Zheng
Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:31 pm
If gracia is in this i think they might put tadoaki in as a NPC and stop thw whole stupid MAGO,MAGO stuff..
Ina's been in the series longer and her husband still is a generic NPC; your prospects for getting even that much is pretty low.
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Dosetsu and Dozan could be NPCs in SW3
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Dymphna
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I would really like to see Sanada Nobuyuki be unique, as it could help flesh out not only Ina's story, but Yukimura's as well. I very quickly got tired of Ina's obsession with pleasing her father in the last game, and maybe having someone else to talk to could fix that a bit.

I'd almost figure Masanori Fukushima to be a given, considering who's now been added into the games, but Lord only knows with KOEI.

And though I can understand why people would want Dosetsu in the game, Tachibana Muneshige would be a more likely choice for KOEI, if only for the fact that Ginchiyo is already the established head of the Tachibana, making her father dead. Putting in Dosetsu now would be like adding in Date Terumune; it would be cool, but it would kind of ignore what KOEI has already established. And handled correctly, I think Muneshige could actually improve Ginchiyo's story a lot.

And if the last unrevealed character isn't a Mouri (oh, please, let him be), than they better have Mouri Motonari be a unique NPC. Or any of them, for that matter. I want a Mouri in this game somehow.
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I think Dosetsu would be a better character more of a earlier on wars and i just like him history wise but i sort of agree with you on Nobuyuki but i think he should have his own story but a unique NPC would be good enough for now.
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Fa Zheng
Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:22 pm
I think Dosetsu would be a better character more of a earlier on wars and i just like him history wise but i sort of agree with you on Nobuyuki but i think he should have his own story but a unique NPC would be good enough for now.
Oh, I would prefer Dosetsu over Muneshige for the history. I was just thinking about how KOEI has already established Ginchiyo as the head of the Tachibana. Bringing her father into the game would cause them to retcon than somehow. At least, a little bit. I'm sure they could work it in there somehow.

And I would love Nobuyuki to be a playable character, but that's why I want him to be a unique NPC. Thus far, with the exception of Kennyo, everyone who's been a unique NPC has gone on to become playable characters. Since I'm desperately hoping for the last unrevealed character to be a Mouri, having Nobuyuki as a unique NPC would almost guarantee him to be playable later on.
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Amakusa
Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:26 pm
Fa Zheng
Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:31 pm
If gracia is in this i think they might put tadoaki in as a NPC and stop thw whole stupid MAGO,MAGO stuff..
Ina's been in the series longer and her husband still is a generic NPC; your prospects for getting even that much is pretty low.
It isn't so much about who has been in SW for longer, Gracia's story would be massively improved if her husband was just a NPC. Gracia couldn't have her historical story if her husband isn't included into the game and that way we would get back to the whole "Mago" thing which would bring the respect for Gracia down even lower.
Besides her historical story is extremely interesting and they could really work on her personality more, showing her to be faithful towards her husband even when he told the family retainers to kill her.
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I think theres a good chance for Hideyori and Hidetada to be unique NPCs.

They are not that important in enough battles but they are leaders in the later battles like the Osaka Campaign, Edo Castle and the Battle of Hasedo and for such important battles the leaders shouldn't be generics
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Kiheiji
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There's no such thing as Edo Campaign. Hidetada could make a good NPC though sicne he was in Osaka and Ueda.
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Shadow
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I think both Ina and Gracia need their husbands.

It pains me that their storys are wasted potential. It's like when i used to play as zhen ji in DW3 and 4, cao pi was a generic and her story was, well it wasn't much of a story. But when they added cao pi in DW5 her story suddenly played out better and became much more interesting to see the character interactions.

Even if cao pi had been a unique NPC it still would have worked. So if ina and gracia's husbands were added it would make their storys alot more interesting and make their personalitys more accurate.
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Shadow
Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:55 pm
I think both Ina and Gracia need their husbands.

It pains me that their storys are wasted potential. It's like when i used to play as zhen ji in DW3 and 4, cao pi was a generic and her story was, well it wasn't much of a story. But when they added cao pi in DW5 her story suddenly played out better and became much more interesting to see the character interactions.

Even if cao pi had been a unique NPC it still would have worked. So if ina and gracia's husbands were added it would make their storys alot more interesting and make their personalitys more accurate.
Well I have to say that when Cao Pi came to DW5, he kind of stole Zhen Ji's place and outshined here, and she was pushed out of the spotlight. She's not really an important character anymore. She's just there, for no reason. At least now Ina is a character in her own right, but I fear that when Nobuyuki is added that she'll transform into just his wife, and have no importance anymore.
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Zhen Ji was never really important anyway, imo, she was just the wife of cao pi that koei happened to chose to put in the game and give a weapon, as far as i know she never historicly went into battle.

Ina on the other hand, i doubt she could ever become 'just a wife', she has some good history and plenty that could be made better if nobuyuki became a unique NPC. He couldn't really steal her spotlight either because he wouldn't be playable.

Besides, sun shang xiang is married to liu bei but she never became 'just a wife'. Ina would be in the not just a wife, wife category. :mellow:
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Shadow
Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:26 pm
Zhen Ji was never really important anyway, imo, she was just the wife of cao pi that koei happened to chose to put in the game and give a weapon, as far as i know she never historicly went into battle.

Ina on the other hand, i doubt she could ever become 'just a wife', she has some good history and plenty that could be made better if nobuyuki became a unique NPC. He couldn't really steal her spotlight either because he wouldn't be playable.

Besides, sun shang xiang is married to liu bei but she never became 'just a wife'. Ina would be in the not just a wife, wife category. :mellow:
I agree with you saying Gracia should otherwise her story will just be made up again x.X

Ina however... I like the whole independance thing and she was less independant in SW2 as it is.
I wouldn't choose for Ina's husband to be included as a NPC because if he is just a generic then he will blend into the background a bit so Ina is known more herself rather than just "my lords wife" yet again...
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Shadow
Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:26 pm
Ina on the other hand, i doubt she could ever become 'just a wife', she has some good history and plenty that could be made better if nobuyuki became a unique NPC. He couldn't really steal her spotlight either because he wouldn't be playable.
Then tell me, what history are you talking about? As far as I know the only notable things about her were the fact that she was Tadakatsu's daughter and she fired an arrow at her father-in-law Masayuki to warn him not to come into Nobuyuki's castle.
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MSY, I think you aren't correct about Ina shooting Masayuki.

It was some time before Sekigahara, Masayuki and Yukimura visited Numata Castle. Masayuki says he just want to see his grandchildren, but then Ina came out fullly armored (and yes, holding a bow) saying that Masayuki is not allowed although he was her father-in-law. After that, Masayuki and Yukimura rested in a temple, where Ina shows up with her kids, granting Masayuki's wish.
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:44 pm
MSY, I think you aren't correct about Ina shooting Masayuki.

It was some time before Sekigahara, Masayuki and Yukimura visited Numata Castle. Masayuki says he just want to see his grandchildren, but then Ina came out fullly armored (and yes, holding a bow) saying that Masayuki is not allowed although he was her father-in-law. After that, Masayuki and Yukimura rested in a temple, where Ina shows up with her kids, granting Masayuki's wish.
Okay, that's the long version :whistle: . But that doesn't change what I said before.
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Dymphna
Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:36 pm
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Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:22 pm
I think Dosetsu would be a better character more of a earlier on wars and i just like him history wise but i sort of agree with you on Nobuyuki but i think he should have his own story but a unique NPC would be good enough for now.
Oh, I would prefer Dosetsu over Muneshige for the history. I was just thinking about how KOEI has already established Ginchiyo as the head of the Tachibana. Bringing her father into the game would cause them to retcon than somehow. At least, a little bit. I'm sure they could work it in there somehow.
I don't know If you are aware of that but... Dosetsu wasn't able to move his legs! He lost the leg's movements when he received a thunder in his sword! (DAMN PIKACHU! YOU'LL PAY FOR THAT!)
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Shadow
Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:26 pm
Zhen Ji was never really important anyway, imo, she was just the wife of cao pi that koei happened to chose to put in the game and give a weapon, as far as i know she never historicly went into battle.

Ina on the other hand, i doubt she could ever become 'just a wife', she has some good history and plenty that could be made better if nobuyuki became a unique NPC. He couldn't really steal her spotlight either because he wouldn't be playable.

Besides, sun shang xiang is married to liu bei but she never became 'just a wife'. Ina would be in the not just a wife, wife category. :mellow:
IAWTC

SSX and Ina a simlar in a way, (no, not just because of the bows :rolleyes: ) SSX had very few battles with Liu Bei, she has only 2 or 3 at most, and because she isn't a wife 100% of the time she becomes more interesting, she is independant and feirce, even with her husband.

I think Ina would be the exact same, she really would only be married to Nobuyuki for 2 battles, 3 at most (Sekigahara, Osaka, and if they use her dream level as an acual level, then 3) She would still be strong and very much so, independant, just because someone's husband gets in the game, doesn't mean their character gets destroyed...
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:40 pm
I don't know If you are aware of that but... Dosetsu wasn't able to move his legs! He lost the leg's movements when he received a thunder in his sword! (DAMN PIKACHU! YOU'LL PAY FOR THAT!)
Actually, he had only partial paralysis on one side, and still fought in battles despite it. He was pretty hardcore. And you can't get hit by thunder. Thunder is just a sound. ;)
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Mon Aug 31, 2009 1:40 am
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Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:40 pm
I don't know If you are aware of that but... Dosetsu wasn't able to move his legs! He lost the leg's movements when he received a thunder in his sword! (DAMN PIKACHU! YOU'LL PAY FOR THAT!)
Actually, he had only partial paralysis on one side, and still fought in battles despite it. He was pretty hardcore. And you can't get hit by thunder. Thunder is just a sound. ;)
Actually the thing with thunder is as much a mistake as 'being hardcore'. :mellow:
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Toyohisa Shimazu: He appeared in nearly every cutscene in Yoshihiro's story. He would give more depth to Yoshihioro's story.

Katsuyori Takeda/Nobufusa Baba: Shingen needs at least one unique officer since Yukimura and Sakon didn't fight a single battle alongside him. While Katsuyori was important at Nagashino, Nobufusa was present in many fights alongside Takeda.

Masayuki Sanada: Would make Ueda battle more interesting.

Kojuro Katakura (typo?): Masamune needs a proper supporting character.

Hideaki Kobayakama: Would make Sekigahara more interesting.
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Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:36 am
Actually the thing with thunder is as much a mistake as 'being hardcore'. :mellow:
I don't know. Fighting in battles without full control of your body seems pretty hardcore to me, especially given the time in history. At the very least, it's impressive. It's only my opinion on the matter.
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Masanori Fukushima, and li Naomasa
Possibly Hojo Ujimasa, and Mori Motonari
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Honestly, with the add of Ujiyasu I would think that Motonari is not too far off. Since Ujiyasu never lived to actually fight Nobunaga and his story will no doubt have him fight (and crush) Nobunaga at some point Motonari's story will most likely have his lifespan extended to such a point as well. This logic is most likely stupid, but it is my reason to believe it <__<
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I don't know If you are aware of that but... Dosetsu wasn't able to move his legs! He lost the leg's movements when he received a thunder in his sword! (DAMN PIKACHU! YOU'LL PAY FOR THAT!)
Actually, he had only partial paralysis on one side, and still fought in battles despite it. He was pretty hardcore. And you can't get hit by thunder. Thunder is just a sound. ;)
Actually the thing with thunder is as much a mistake as 'being hardcore'. :mellow:
Are you kidding? Dosetsu was a shining example of "hardcore." If not for him and his brother-in-law, the Otomo would just be trash.
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Yeah i definetley think dosetsu should be a unique NPC give him generic sword moveset and ginchiyo's looking sword maybe...
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