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| Next Gen Vs. Old Gen; Which Generation was better? | |
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| Topic Started: Oct 29 2009, 01:56 AM (742 Views) | |
| SmitanSaxon | Nov 3 2009, 02:37 AM Post #26 |
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@SJFaith what point is reinvented gameplay if the game itself lacks depth. I agree that the series needs innovation. But most of the features in DW6 where useless since the game never actually gave you the chance to use them in the case of strategy. I enjoy the older ones better because of the depth of the game. If Koei manages to put more features to the next installment, fine. But lets actually have the chance to use it for tactical purposes. Otherwise you're just playing a "mindless" hack n slash. Edited by SmitanSaxon, Nov 3 2009, 02:53 AM.
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| SJFaith | Nov 3 2009, 02:52 AM Post #27 |
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To be honest all the old DW's were hack and slashes that hardly changed until they added expansions which is why i like the series because it doesn't end when the next installment comes out. But you need to realise the console all these old games wre on the PS2 is an old relic that cheapskate's still cling onto since they can't afford even a pre owned console seriously i'm glad the old gen is finally dying and no longer gets KOEI games put on it the times were good many years ago even though i played DW on an Xbox first. Now that KOEI are fully focused on next gen they could make DW into something spectacular 
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| legendaryhero90 | Nov 3 2009, 03:02 AM Post #28 |
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1. you cant do much with it otherwise than climb a few things. 2. getting in water is easy. getting out of it however, is the most frustrating part about swimming. YOU CANT FIND LAND TO GET ON! 3. Oh really!? DW4 zhang fei, sun ce, Lu bu, zhou tai, etc. would like a word with you. 4. and? theres little point in putting it in if you have no use for it other than it looking kinda cool. 5. you mean sprint? yeah but you had a horse... so whats the point? |
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| *Burning* Devil Scholar | Nov 3 2009, 03:02 AM Post #29 |
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I don't agree with you really here. I think DW6 had a lot of depth on the battlefield, the events such as breaking down gates in time and giving you bonus points and if you don't your army will have a tougher time. If anything this is the same as previous installments, just adding bonuses. You can now swim and climb your way around, the battle can go exactly how you want it really. In DW6 I think you have got to know your characters more, there's no use trying to get Guan Yu to save peasants at Chang Ban unless he has a horse, but if you have a fast character, then go for it. Some characters can rally officers easier, and others can max our horse abilities almost instantly. No offence, well, hope it dosn't sound that way, but it's probably a bit midlesss hack and slash for you because you may not have tried the harder difficulty settings, the game does feel a bit that way unless you're on the 2nd to hardest or hardest difficulty settings, then you gotta be tactful and follow orders and stuff .Next-gen hasn't dumbed down DW6 at all, I mean, other than character cuts, what has it done wrong. I'm quite excited for the next game whatever it may be (DW6XL/DW7), at least there's a guarantee for something to look forward too right .
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| SmitanSaxon | Nov 3 2009, 03:11 AM Post #30 |
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@SJFaith If you are implying that I can't afford a new console, I do have all the next gen systems. And as for us "cheapskates" who can't let go of the old gen, its because those games got us into the series that you now find so great. As I said before the old gen where classics. Therefore us cheapskates respect them for the entertainment they gave us so long ago. I'm not saying you are wrong to like DW6, if you find some level of fun in DW6, thats good, you are able to enjoy something I could not. Everyone has different interest in games. You may think that adding something like grapples and horses jumping and improved graphics is something different, but to me these things are nothing to actually make the game totally different from it's predecessors. But just because a game has been put on new gen doesn't mean its good. In fact you ask some people what their favorites games are, they will likely name old Sega and NES games. |
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| JasBell | Nov 3 2009, 03:12 AM Post #31 |
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I agree with you so much there BSD, DW6 had so much depth when it came to the battlefield. When you play a hard level (take the Battle of Xu Chang Sima Yi's side for an example) not doing certain missions or targets on that battlefield can take a toll on your army and the opposing army you're fighting can get really high morale because of it. So if you take out the cut characters, the lack of stories, and clone movesets. DW6 was a fantastic game to play with. I certainly had fun fighting against large crowds. Love those large crowds though, they felt so life like. The castle levels was also fun. He Fei Castle FTW.
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| SmitanSaxon | Nov 3 2009, 03:48 AM Post #32 |
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@BDS What I mean't by depth was with the overall game in general. In DW4 and SW1 your actions on the battlefield determined how the next one would play out. This put more depth to the stories as they allowed you to replay the game with a different approach. As for the "mindless" hack n slash I was referring to the total lack of strategy this game has. As I stated, if the game allowed you to branch out, you could think about which missions you wanted to carry out. If you just go along with the game's strategy you are not really putting much thought as to how "you" shape the outcome of the battle, instead the battles become scripted and therefore the player's sense of strategy is taken away. Although DW4 still was scripted to a degree at least your actions still shaped events later in the game. And as for difficulty, even MASTER and CHAOS mode were hardly a challenge. I don't think the skill tree should have allowed you to make your characters overpowered. |
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| ChibiGingi | Nov 3 2009, 06:46 AM Post #33 |
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Well, it's all a matter of what's important to the individual player. I liked how Koei put effort in changing bits of the gameplay and mechanics, but they just really struck me deep with the character cuts, Free mode only and clones. To me, what draws me into the Warriors series are the characters, and the wide variety of the characters that are offered. Take that away, and the game loses a lot of that shine. It's nice that they took a few steps forward, but I can't help but think of just how much MORE awesome it would have been if they didn't have so many clones, or free mode only characters, or how the cut characters would have looked or how they played. On that note, I eagerly await DW7... maybe they'll find the time to return the cut characters and everyone back to their true glory. None of this half-assed clones BS. Especially when most of all of the cloned characters I liked were clones OF EACH OTHER. All those halberd users? Yep... they were all my favorites. Dammit Koei. |
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| SmitanSaxon | Nov 3 2009, 02:53 PM Post #34 |
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^The idea of making clones was just criminal. But hopefully if they've learned from their mistakes, DW7 should be something worth waiting for. |
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| SmitanSaxon | Nov 3 2009, 02:54 PM Post #35 |
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my computer was lagging, sorry for the double post
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| SJFaith | Nov 3 2009, 03:03 PM Post #36 |
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Don't double post SmitanSaxton anyway it's the fall of the Year where KOEI doesn't release any games overseas this time of the year for obvious reasons I'm not focused on KOEI as much this time of the year since none of their games come out overseas until next year but i can guarantee this they'll all be on next gen which will be reffered to as 7th gen since it will finally be the current console generation next year. |
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| SmitanSaxon | Nov 3 2009, 03:16 PM Post #37 |
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I think you mistake me for saying that I want DW to remain on old gen systems, thats not what I am implying. It's obvious that DW will continue on the new gen, they have no reason to stay on the old gen. I was just defending my belief that the old DW games are better than DW6. I pretty sure that is what this topic is asking, not which console the series should be put on.
Edited by SmitanSaxon, Nov 3 2009, 03:20 PM.
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| SJFaith | Nov 3 2009, 03:31 PM Post #38 |
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Yeah the old gen games were great i'll admit but once faster running was bought in i just preffed DW6 (More specifically Empires) since i could get around quicker as the one thing that annoyed me in all the old DW's was how dreadfully slow you travelled on foot. If it wasn't for the mounts i would have been frustrated with travelling around the battlefield speaking of which the old gen DW's will be better with the mounts since they had elephants i loved going on rampages with them
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| S.Ninja | Nov 3 2009, 08:58 PM Post #39 |
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Out with the old and in with the new! Its always fun to play classics though, they bring back memories.
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| *Burning* Devil Scholar | Nov 3 2009, 11:17 PM Post #40 |
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That wasn't really a good thing with DW4 that much though, with SW1 it had its benefits admittedly. Usually the triggers for the next battle for DW4 were so specific and the interchangeable cutscense's made some characters loose some proper character, but that was my opinion, I'm not a 'Kingdom Mode' fan, might aswell just play Empires. Most of the stages that came after were pretty pointless aswel, such as the one where you had to save the two Qiao's. Master and Chaos are a challenge I assure you. Without Flash on campaigns such as Sima Yi's last stage and Wu Zhang Plains, you have a very tough time so long as you don't practically rush to Liu Bei, I can assure you. I'm a historical fanboy though to be honest, the more scripted, the better for me  .
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| JasBell | Nov 4 2009, 12:27 AM Post #41 |
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I am sure that DW7 will be worth the wait. I wouldn't mind a DW6:XL though but DW7 would be much better. Return the cut characters to it's former glory.
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| Imnon00b5 | Nov 4 2009, 01:11 AM Post #42 |
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In dw6 i think the targets also interfere with the fun I used to have. I mean think about it In dw4 i took my time and completly 100% cleared out everything which took me 30-40 minutes In dw6 i barely had time to kill the thousands of people that Koei installed in dw6 because i was to busy doing targets. But then again the new xp system in dw6 is better to |
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| SmitanSaxon | Nov 4 2009, 09:27 PM Post #43 |
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@BDS The only reason I play these games is for the history. But to me, it would be better to allow the stories to progress in a historical setting but do like SW1 and let it branch out into what if scenarios. Therefore you can play the game, see the history but have the chance to do something different each time you play. Also its hard, for me at least, to say these games are completely historically accurate. If you actually study the history behind these games you'd be surprised as to what actually happened. Plus if you what true accuracy just read a book. I'm not saying you're wrong to rely on the games for the history, so please don't misinterpret it that way. |
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| *Burning* Devil Scholar | Nov 5 2009, 12:26 PM Post #44 |
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I think having branches for each character is good also, but not even DW5 did that, or 4 really, just weird requirements for a really random scenario, and sometimes they didn't even make sense. Like, you had to only do one of the YTR levels to get another special scenario or something, that didn't even have a connection to the special scenario you unlock (if you get me). And, erm, I think I have a pretty good idea what goes on behind these games  , and I do look into it more whenever I can or intend too... But when I'm playing the games I do really like playing the battles that actually went on. I'd hate it if Lu Meng got a story mode really and his last stage wasss, lets say, He Fei Castle, 'cause I'd want Fan/Mai Castle to be his last 'cause it would be more epic and true to him. Most of the time the random battles loose something, like it was odd sometimes playing Zhou Yu's story and Sun Ce still being alive throughout, It'd be better him being dead, then is story could have had more focus on Zhou Yu and loosing his bestest friend .I agree with the SW thing though, I'd love a choice where it branches, much more variety so that way I could bet fictional (what if) and historic more-so. Maybe Koei will try that one day, would be ace for next-gen .
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| SmitanSaxon | Nov 5 2009, 01:15 PM Post #45 |
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@BDS I wasn't trying to say you were not knowlegable about the history. But you're definitly right about the stories ending were the character fought there last battle. I get annoyed by seeing Liu Bei at Wu Zhang. That was probably the only thing I disliked about DW4. And hopefully with the next gen, Koei can bring back branching stories. That truely would be awesome. |
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| SJFaith | Nov 5 2009, 01:32 PM Post #46 |
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This may sound silly but what if they tried to be more accurate with the stories in DW6 XL? you'd think some of the inaccurate stories in DW6 would be best suited for DW6 XL right? 
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| SmitanSaxon | Nov 5 2009, 02:01 PM Post #47 |
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It doesn't sound silly at all, that is actually a good idea, but I don't see DW6 XL doing something like that. But DW7 could do it. |
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| ChibiGingi | Nov 5 2009, 05:02 PM Post #48 |
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@BDS- If Lu Meng ever gets a story (which I've stopped holding my breath for now as it seems to be an empty dream), it would HAVE to end at either Fan Castle or Mai Castle. I just can't see it ending any other way for him, but then again, Guan Yu making it all the way to Wu Zhang Plains. I wouldn't mind the inaccuracies of the characters' stories for the most part, IF THEY WERE AT LEAST INTERESTING. I'd say more than half of the stories before Special were snorefests... sure, it's suppose to be this deep (ha) philosophical talking mumbo jumbo, but dear lord I stopped paying attention to have the things that were going on in the cut scenes. I just have to jump in on keywords and I get the jist of the story. Boring story modes are just unforgivable. |
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| SJFaith | Nov 5 2009, 05:09 PM Post #49 |
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Well if they just add the 6 cut out characters by calling them "NEW" characters again then they can focus on making some really crazy stories even some that may not bore ChibiGingi to death So if anything we probably won't see any actual new characters until DW7 since KOEI would most likely just give us a CAW mode like DW6 Empires' again so we can make the characters we'd like to see which would be satisfactory until they give us a DW game that actually has new characters in
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| ChibiGingi | Nov 5 2009, 05:18 PM Post #50 |
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I still stand by my words; DW6's story as a whole was boring. Maybe it's just the age showing for the series... Either way, I'm still amazed they turned Xiahou Dun into a whiny, doubtful little weenie boy and made his story BORING. See, this is where his whole issue with Guan Yu would have been useful; with a more character-focused story, his rivalry with Guan Yu would have been epic. But nope. Pretty much 'borrowed' Cao Ren's story (which was great when it was CAO REN'S) and yapped on the whole time. I didn't mind a few of the preachy scenes; Cao Cao's were topknotch (especially that ending), Zhang He's approach on beauty=essence of life and will to live was great, when I wasn't too busy laughing my ass off at how utterly ridiculous of a character he'd become, and Zhuge Liang's is what I expected it to be, given his character. To be fair, I haven't finished Yue Ying's story, haven't touched Taishi Ci or Cao Pi, and of the three I did play in Special were definitely improved (Ling Tong for drama, Zhang He for comedy but with very deep and serious undertones, and Ma Chao's for actual CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT), but Special did liven it up for the most part. Just annoyed that they couldn't have just added their stories as DLC and didn't feel like playing the game a THIRD time, you know? Twice was enough. |
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