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Next Gen Vs. Old Gen; Which Generation was better?
Topic Started: Oct 29 2009, 01:56 AM (710 Views)
Burning Devil Scholar	Nov 5 2009, 09:04 PM Post #51
What Do You Fight For? Posts: 864 Group: Members Member #14,759 Joined: April 15, 2008 Gender Male	ChibiGingi Nov 5 2009, 05:02 PM @BDS- If Lu Meng ever gets a story (which I've stopped holding my breath for now as it seems to be an empty dream), it would HAVE to end at either Fan Castle or Mai Castle. I just can't see it ending any other way for him, but then again, Guan Yu making it all the way to Wu Zhang Plains. I wouldn't mind the inaccuracies of the characters' stories for the most part, IF THEY WERE AT LEAST INTERESTING. I'd say more than half of the stories before Special were snorefests... sure, it's suppose to be this deep (ha) philosophical talking mumbo jumbo, but dear lord I stopped paying attention to have the things that were going on in the cut scenes. I just have to jump in on keywords and I get the jist of the story. Boring story modes are just unforgivable. I bet you wouldn't find Lu Meng's story boring would you . Man, that would have some serious character development going on, orgasmic so . I thought many of the stories were actually interesting, it would just be easier to say which ones weren't actually entertaining (Diao Chan's is an obvious one, and hmm, Zhao Yun's maybe). Why, what do you expect to see that would entertain you, really ? Sima Yi's was the most philosophical I think, without a doubt, and Gan Ning's seems very memorable too. Others, I have to think hard about sometimes in remembering, but there was only a few that really got me a bit bored like the two I said above (and Lu Xun's was a bit too). Edited by Burning Devil Scholar, Nov 5 2009, 09:05 PM.
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SmitanSaxon	Nov 5 2009, 09:26 PM Post #52
Nothing is true, everything is permitted Posts: 189 Group: Members Member #23,594 Joined: September 22, 2009 Gender Male	In my personal opinion, the stories for all the characters in all the DW/SW games weren't that interesting. I guess its because they're too short. Although I didn't mind playing the individual story modes the characters, the actual character personalities, to me at least, were the most annoying things about the games. I find it funny that most of these warriors have so much self-doubt and low self-esteem. I understand the need to build character but if they're such great warriors shouldn't they act more....badass? This is why I personaly prefered DW4, even though kingdom mode was flawed at least the characters were portrayed with less detail. Edited by SmitanSaxon, Nov 5 2009, 09:39 PM.
	"Our life is made by the death of others." -Leonardo da Vinci "Everything I have done has been based on fear. I exist to be feared."-Attila the Hun Smitan Saxon's KW Family


Burning Devil Scholar	Nov 5 2009, 10:31 PM Post #53
What Do You Fight For? Posts: 864 Group: Members Member #14,759 Joined: April 15, 2008 Gender Male	SmitanSaxon Nov 5 2009, 09:26 PM In my personal opinion, the stories for all the characters in all the DW/SW games weren't that interesting. I guess its because they're too short. Although I didn't mind playing the individual story modes the characters, the actual character personalities, to me at least, were the most annoying things about the games. I find it funny that most of these warriors have so much self-doubt and low self-esteem. I understand the need to build character but if they're such great warriors shouldn't they act more....badass? This is why I personaly prefered DW4, even though kingdom mode was flawed at least the characters were portrayed with less detail. , don't think you're expecting too much? They were mostly entertaining, what do you guys want, every character doing cartwheels around the battlefield then falling in love, leading to a mid-life crisis and then following up to an explosive finale of the next teenage pregnancy ? They can't give every character 10-11 stage stories, it'd turn into a soap opera, plus there aint enough battles to fill up 'interesting', showing morals in each characters life is the best thing they can do . And not many characters have much self doubt, many are extremely confident, it's mainly the youthful, strategist type that have doubt. If no characters were given personality and just based entirely on moment of whos look you prefer at the time then the game will be so so bad, like, PS1-2 bad. They may aswell just call the game Zhao Yun Warriors if they were just going to give no personality, with very little characters such as Lu Bu, Ma Chao and Gan Ning.
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SJFaith	Nov 5 2009, 10:38 PM Post #54
KOEI Warriors Faction Founder & KOEI Game Promoter Posts: 864 Group: Members Member #10,622 Joined: October 26, 2007	BDS has a point KOEI can't open a doorway into your minds and expect everything to work your way. Plus i doubt characters like Sima Yi have self doubt he was cunning and sinister he knew exactily what he was doing which is why his story was one of my favorites because nobody saw it coming and it caused so much contraversy
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SmitanSaxon	Nov 5 2009, 10:47 PM Post #55
Nothing is true, everything is permitted Posts: 189 Group: Members Member #23,594 Joined: September 22, 2009 Gender Male	What part of "opinion" don't you all understand? There's no need to jump down my throat just because I expressed my thoughts. I don't think there is a right or wrong answer here. Thats just the way I see the characters, "I" don't find them interesting. Nor am I asking them to go through the trouble to change them. Edited by SmitanSaxon, Nov 5 2009, 11:02 PM.
	"Our life is made by the death of others." -Leonardo da Vinci "Everything I have done has been based on fear. I exist to be feared."-Attila the Hun Smitan Saxon's KW Family


SJFaith	Nov 5 2009, 11:04 PM Post #56
KOEI Warriors Faction Founder & KOEI Game Promoter Posts: 864 Group: Members Member #10,622 Joined: October 26, 2007	That's fine but there's no need to bash on KOEI because they can't satisfy your needs fair enough that it's your opinion but i doubt KOEI would even listen to it anyway since they only listen to their Japanese fans. But rather than go on about the bad things try and focus on some of the good things that were good no matter how little of those there were.
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SmitanSaxon	Nov 5 2009, 11:09 PM Post #57
Nothing is true, everything is permitted Posts: 189 Group: Members Member #23,594 Joined: September 22, 2009 Gender Male	I wasn't bashing on koei, just because I state my dislikes doesn't mean I am crticizing them in general. I thought this topic was about which DW games we like more, not "Are you satisfied with KOEI?" Edited by SmitanSaxon, Nov 5 2009, 11:26 PM.
	"Our life is made by the death of others." -Leonardo da Vinci "Everything I have done has been based on fear. I exist to be feared."-Attila the Hun Smitan Saxon's KW Family


SJFaith	Nov 6 2009, 02:02 AM Post #58
KOEI Warriors Faction Founder & KOEI Game Promoter Posts: 864 Group: Members Member #10,622 Joined: October 26, 2007	Well by the sounds of it you aren't satified with them anyway lets just get back on topic and focus on the future of KOEI rather than the past now.
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Spangler225	Nov 6 2009, 02:23 AM Post #59
The Wise and Brave Tiger of Shu Posts: 74 Group: Members Member #23,245 Joined: August 21, 2009 Gender Male	DW5 have great story and battles,the gameplay was very fun and in DW3 XL they HAD XTREME BODYGUARDS!!!!! LIKE HAVING LU BU AS A BODYGUARD. i also miss having 8 bodyguards.though one problem with 3 was that getting around the battlefield took forever.
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Spangler225	Nov 6 2009, 02:27 AM Post #60
The Wise and Brave Tiger of Shu Posts: 74 Group: Members Member #23,245 Joined: August 21, 2009 Gender Male	and by the way i just wanna know,why does KOEI only look towards their japanese fans
	As Sun Tzu once said "To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence;supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fight".


SmitanSaxon	Nov 6 2009, 02:33 AM Post #61
Nothing is true, everything is permitted Posts: 189 Group: Members Member #23,594 Joined: September 22, 2009 Gender Male	Try not to double post spangler, Dynasty Warriors is very successful in Japan, but not anywhere else, so its easier that way for them. And the DW3 XL bodyguard system was pretty cool.
	"Our life is made by the death of others." -Leonardo da Vinci "Everything I have done has been based on fear. I exist to be feared."-Attila the Hun Smitan Saxon's KW Family


ChibiGingi	Nov 6 2009, 05:30 AM Post #62
Nurturing Spirits Posts: 1,946 Group: Members Member #10,930 Joined: November 9, 2007 Gender Female	@BDS- It may just be the age of the series catching up with me, but I just generally found a lot of the stories to be "all talk, little action" and sometimes just unsubstancial. There were some good ones; Gan Ning's, Sima Yi's, Lu Xun's, and even SSX's story were great to play through. However, I was kind of bored with Guan Yu's, Liu Bei's, Xiahou Dun's (biggest let down ever), Lu Bu's (up until the end... then it got interesting). Zhao Yun's had action, but I really didn't feel like I was with him or understood him (besides being brave and loyal to Liu Bei). Sun Jian's began interesting with the Imperial Seal but ended on a 'blah' note. Diao Chan's WOULD have been interesting, when I thought she was scheming behind Lu Bu's back (played the Japanese version first... didn't get what was going on XD). Cao Cao's and Zhuge Liang's were good for the deep talk because it's what I expect from those two. And Zhou Yu's? Eh... decent, at best. At least he wasn't emoing about Sun Ce or constantly cursing Zhuge Liang's name... nice change. shrugs It's just different opinions. DW6 took a slightly different approach with the stories I felt, and I just didn't seem too interested in all of them this time around. Or, maybe I'm just too hard to please these days. Or just tired of the series as a whole. Who knows. I don't mean to come off as bashing the series, but I just found some stories a little too slow paced for my taste in DW6 compared to the other games, that's all.
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Skode	Nov 6 2009, 10:23 AM Post #63
Scottish Samurai Posts: 731 Group: Members Member #12,998 Joined: January 31, 2008	SmitanSaxon Nov 5 2009, 09:26 PM In my personal opinion, the stories for all the characters in all the DW/SW games weren't that interesting. I guess its because they're too short. Although I didn't mind playing the individual story modes the characters, the actual character personalities, to me at least, were the most annoying things about the games. I find it funny that most of these warriors have so much self-doubt and low self-esteem. I understand the need to build character but if they're such great warriors shouldn't they act more....badass? This is why I personaly prefered DW4, even though kingdom mode was flawed at least the characters were portrayed with less detail. In fairness if they cant give each character some depth in personality then what would be the point of including new ones in the first place. There was many around here including I who did not agree with the way KOEI depicted some of the characters in the games such as Zhang He, Wei Yan and Zhu Chu at first but after a while it all seemed to fit the games style and made them stand out really well compared to the others... it means you can relate to the personalities they have been given in many ways. Still i see your point as the gruff and fearless characters are also amongst the most popular i mean Zhout Tai for example is a real fan fave... you would never have seen that coming before the games when you consider there was already some massive legends in there such as Cao Cao and Guan Yu already. I do however dissagree with the Kingdom Mode, our preferences are definately not in tune there haha. The different character stories allowed depth to both kingdoms and indivual characters and with more cutscenes they could really leave the development aside from those purely down to ingame dialogue and the narrative intros to each battle. Remember with less character development how would those who are not familiar with the history or the novel understand why these new characters have been introduced in the first place. DW6 removed a lot of characters and individual story modes... as such anyone playing the series for the first time would know absolutely zero on just playing the game as to who the likes of Wei Yan, Ling Tong, Xiao Qiao, Cao Pi etc are and their importance to the whole plot. This i didnt like what so ever and was a big negative in DW6s favour with me - comparing this to each having a story in DW5 (although not all were done well as Zuo Ci and Xing Cai were wasted opportunities and theyve dont similiar with the likes of Gracia and Kojiro in SW series) means its easy to say i missed the DW5 story style.



SJFaith	Nov 6 2009, 02:01 PM Post #64
KOEI Warriors Faction Founder & KOEI Game Promoter Posts: 864 Group: Members Member #10,622 Joined: October 26, 2007	ChibiGingi Nov 6 2009, 05:30 AM @BDS- It may just be the age of the series catching up with me, but I just generally found a lot of the stories to be "all talk, little action" and sometimes just unsubstancial. There were some good ones; Gan Ning's, Sima Yi's, Lu Xun's, and even SSX's story were great to play through. However, I was kind of bored with Guan Yu's, Liu Bei's, Xiahou Dun's (biggest let down ever), Lu Bu's (up until the end... then it got interesting). Zhao Yun's had action, but I really didn't feel like I was with him or understood him (besides being brave and loyal to Liu Bei). Sun Jian's began interesting with the Imperial Seal but ended on a 'blah' note. Diao Chan's WOULD have been interesting, when I thought she was scheming behind Lu Bu's back (played the Japanese version first... didn't get what was going on XD). Cao Cao's and Zhuge Liang's were good for the deep talk because it's what I expect from those two. And Zhou Yu's? Eh... decent, at best. At least he wasn't emoing about Sun Ce or constantly cursing Zhuge Liang's name... nice change. shrugs It's just different opinions. DW6 took a slightly different approach with the stories I felt, and I just didn't seem too interested in all of them this time around. Or, maybe I'm just too hard to please these days. Or just tired of the series as a whole. Who knows. I don't mean to come off as bashing the series, but I just found some stories a little too slow paced for my taste in DW6 compared to the other games, that's all. What if everyone had a story in DW6 if KOEI wasn't rushed would you have had a change of heart if that happened?
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Imnon00b5	Nov 6 2009, 05:06 PM Post #65
Officer Posts: 91 Group: Members Member #22,278 Joined: June 4, 2009 Gender Male	I do think Dynasty Warriors 7 will excel way more because they wont get rushed this time but the only thing i worry about is WHats going to happen to Liu Bei, Gan Ning, Lu Xun, Ma Chao, Sima Yi etc etc Musuo modes if people have already seen their individual stories Do you think Koei will be really creative enough to make an all new story for the musuo modes in dw6?



SmitanSaxon	Nov 6 2009, 05:21 PM Post #66
Nothing is true, everything is permitted Posts: 189 Group: Members Member #23,594 Joined: September 22, 2009 Gender Male	SJFaith Nov 6 2009, 02:01 PM ChibiGingi Nov 6 2009, 05:30 AM @BDS- It may just be the age of the series catching up with me, but I just generally found a lot of the stories to be "all talk, little action" and sometimes just unsubstancial. There were some good ones; Gan Ning's, Sima Yi's, Lu Xun's, and even SSX's story were great to play through. However, I was kind of bored with Guan Yu's, Liu Bei's, Xiahou Dun's (biggest let down ever), Lu Bu's (up until the end... then it got interesting). Zhao Yun's had action, but I really didn't feel like I was with him or understood him (besides being brave and loyal to Liu Bei). Sun Jian's began interesting with the Imperial Seal but ended on a 'blah' note. Diao Chan's WOULD have been interesting, when I thought she was scheming behind Lu Bu's back (played the Japanese version first... didn't get what was going on XD). Cao Cao's and Zhuge Liang's were good for the deep talk because it's what I expect from those two. And Zhou Yu's? Eh... decent, at best. At least he wasn't emoing about Sun Ce or constantly cursing Zhuge Liang's name... nice change. shrugs It's just different opinions. DW6 took a slightly different approach with the stories I felt, and I just didn't seem too interested in all of them this time around. Or, maybe I'm just too hard to please these days. Or just tired of the series as a whole. Who knows. I don't mean to come off as bashing the series, but I just found some stories a little too slow paced for my taste in DW6 compared to the other games, that's all. What if everyone had a story in DW6 if KOEI wasn't rushed would you have had a change of heart if that happened? I don't think its a matter giving everyone their own story, it's about how they present them that creates the issue of interest. @Imnon Are you suggesting a new way to tell the story?
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faichaim0nd	Nov 6 2009, 05:23 PM Post #67
just an ordinary passer-by.... Posts: 212 Group: Members Member #19,838 Joined: December 4, 2008	basically im alright with the changes in dw6 and the so-called 'new-gen' titles, except for the constant same-button-mashing combos. definitely i'd choose the 'old gen'. much more polished overall.
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SJFaith	Nov 6 2009, 05:42 PM Post #68
KOEI Warriors Faction Founder & KOEI Game Promoter Posts: 864 Group: Members Member #10,622 Joined: October 26, 2007	SmitanSaxon Nov 6 2009, 05:21 PM SJFaith Nov 6 2009, 02:01 PM ChibiGingi Nov 6 2009, 05:30 AM @BDS- It may just be the age of the series catching up with me, but I just generally found a lot of the stories to be "all talk, little action" and sometimes just unsubstancial. There were some good ones; Gan Ning's, Sima Yi's, Lu Xun's, and even SSX's story were great to play through. However, I was kind of bored with Guan Yu's, Liu Bei's, Xiahou Dun's (biggest let down ever), Lu Bu's (up until the end... then it got interesting). Zhao Yun's had action, but I really didn't feel like I was with him or understood him (besides being brave and loyal to Liu Bei). Sun Jian's began interesting with the Imperial Seal but ended on a 'blah' note. Diao Chan's WOULD have been interesting, when I thought she was scheming behind Lu Bu's back (played the Japanese version first... didn't get what was going on XD). Cao Cao's and Zhuge Liang's were good for the deep talk because it's what I expect from those two. And Zhou Yu's? Eh... decent, at best. At least he wasn't emoing about Sun Ce or constantly cursing Zhuge Liang's name... nice change. shrugs It's just different opinions. DW6 took a slightly different approach with the stories I felt, and I just didn't seem too interested in all of them this time around. Or, maybe I'm just too hard to please these days. Or just tired of the series as a whole. Who knows. I don't mean to come off as bashing the series, but I just found some stories a little too slow paced for my taste in DW6 compared to the other games, that's all. What if everyone had a story in DW6 if KOEI wasn't rushed would you have had a change of heart if that happened? I don't think its a matter giving everyone their own story, it's about how they present them that creates the issue of interest. @Imnon Are you suggesting a new way to tell the story? They can do it but don't expect it to be done as quickly as DW6's was becuase now KOEI know listening to the persistant fans is rather idiotic after proving rushing things is never a good idea. So if you want good detailed stories from KOEI expect that to take at least half a year of devloping unlike the 2-3 months it took for DW6's.
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SmitanSaxon	Nov 6 2009, 05:47 PM Post #69
Nothing is true, everything is permitted Posts: 189 Group: Members Member #23,594 Joined: September 22, 2009 Gender Male	2-3 months? Holy **, no wonder.... We'll to me I don't care much for story, just historical accuracy, but that would never happen. So if they make the stories more interesting, I'm all for that, even if it takes a year... Edited by SmitanSaxon**, Nov 6 2009, 05:51 PM.
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Imnon00b5	Nov 6 2009, 06:00 PM Post #70
Officer Posts: 91 Group: Members Member #22,278 Joined: June 4, 2009 Gender Male	Yep thats what i mean either Koei is going to be EXTREMLY creative or were going to see inacurate historical events which i dont mind Edited by Imnon00b5, Nov 6 2009, 06:00 PM.



Spangler225	Nov 6 2009, 11:11 PM Post #71
The Wise and Brave Tiger of Shu Posts: 74 Group: Members Member #23,245 Joined: August 21, 2009 Gender Male	That would be cool but I think Koei is going to be really creative instead of just history.I think strikeforce was a trial for the idea if history wins over creativity in rating wise.
	As Sun Tzu once said "To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence;supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fight".


Skode	Nov 6 2009, 11:13 PM Post #72
Scottish Samurai Posts: 731 Group: Members Member #12,998 Joined: January 31, 2008	Imnon00b5 Nov 6 2009, 05:06 PM I do think Dynasty Warriors 7 will excel way more because they wont get rushed this time What indication do we have that they wont be rushed? The rate KOEI love them or hate them churn out games i cant help but think with every title comes a very tight deadline



Imnon00b5	Nov 7 2009, 12:32 AM Post #73
Officer Posts: 91 Group: Members Member #22,278 Joined: June 4, 2009 Gender Male	Skode Nov 6 2009, 11:13 PM Imnon00b5 Nov 6 2009, 05:06 PM I do think Dynasty Warriors 7 will excel way more because they wont get rushed this time What indication do we have that they wont be rushed? The rate KOEI love them or hate them churn out games i cant help but think with every title comes a very tight deadline My indication is of course they learned from their mistakes Look at empires 6 they delayed it 3 4 more months for more time IF they didnt delay it Meng Hou wouldnt be created and who knows what else



SJFaith	Nov 7 2009, 01:23 AM Post #74
KOEI Warriors Faction Founder & KOEI Game Promoter Posts: 864 Group: Members Member #10,622 Joined: October 26, 2007	Skode Nov 6 2009, 11:13 PM Imnon00b5 Nov 6 2009, 05:06 PM I do think Dynasty Warriors 7 will excel way more because they wont get rushed this time What indication do we have that they wont be rushed? The rate KOEI love them or hate them churn out games i cant help but think with every title comes a very tight deadline Have you seen how long they've taken on SW3 all the Persistant fans have probably died of boredom They may not take as long as that for DW6 XL but for DW7 i can understand because that would be the foundation of the next DW series and if it's fully worked on the expansions shouldn't need to take as long if they've put full effort into it.
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PhoenixOfWEI	Nov 16 2009, 07:19 PM Post #75
So you wish to test the edge of my blade? Posts: 159 Group: Members Member #14,323 Joined: March 29, 2008	Sorry but, they seriously need to remake it in the style of DW3, and not go too far with the 1 man"invincible( i know its not but it just doesnt seem as fun to play when u kill hundreds easily in seconds) I still think DW3 is overall the best. the music and the feeling/mood feels better. So DYNASTY WARRIORS 3 FOR THE WIN!



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