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| Topic Started: Nov 14 2009, 04:35 AM (86 Views) | |
| Seraphil | Nov 14 2009, 04:35 AM Post #1 |
稲が成敗いたします！
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Much like the one in the ROTK section, this is for any discussion related to officer stats from any Nobunaga's Ambition games. |
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| Cerebral Assassin | Nov 14 2009, 07:04 PM Post #2 |
From now on, I will lead the Uesugi and my name will be Kenshin!
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I think Shingen's Lead in Kakushin is a bit too high. |
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| Seraphil | Nov 15 2009, 06:15 AM Post #3 |
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I fully agree. In Rise to Power, Shingen and Kenshin had top tier stats, but at the same time weren't so ridiculously overpowered that fighting them became unfun. In Iron Triangle and Tendou, Kenshin's lead is of course the highest in the game, but his other stats being lower help balance it a bit. I'd still reduce it by a few points, personally. Shingen on the other hand is ridiculous with his triple-A level stats across the board. His Lead especially needs a significant reduction, because it's pretty BS for his Lead to be a good 10+ points higher than guys like Nobunaga, Ieyasu, Ujiyasu, Motonari or Yoshihisa. I would give him a Lead of 101 at max. This is mainly due to him starting with a +10 Lead item as well. Since Nobunaga also starts with a +10 item and now has a Lead of 100, Shingen should have a Lead that's only a couple points higher than Nobunaga's at best. I would personally put them with the same value: 100 each. Shingen's rank gives him a few more points than Nobunaga's does, I believe, so it works out that way. I think the Amago and Asakura get WAY too low stats for all of their officers, the Miyoshi to a lesser extent. At least Koei gave Haruhisa a much deserved boost in Tendou; in fact, he has the single most massive boost to stats in the entire game. Officers I think need significant boosts to their stats: Asakura Kagetake, Asakura Kageakira, Amago Katsuhisa, Ukita Naoie, Ukita Hideie, Akashi Teruzumi, Mouri Terumoto, Kikkawa Hiroie, Mouri Hidemoto, Kobayakawa Hideaki, Oda Nobumitsu, Oda Nobukane, Anayama Baisetsu, Asahina Yasutomo, Hojo Ujiteru, Miyoshi Masayasu, Iwanari Tomomichi, Sanada Nobutsuna, Baba Nobufusa, Yamagata Masakage Officers I think need significant nerfs to their stats: Naoe Kanetsugu, Uesugi Kagekatsu, Takeda Shingen, Otomo Sorin, Akechi Mitsuhide, Otani Yoshitsugu, Nagano Narimasa, Azai Nagamasa, Saito Yoshitatsu |
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| Ike | Nov 15 2009, 04:50 PM Post #4 |
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I hardly remember RTP. Kenshin and Shingen had all-around well stats that does come to mind. I haven't bothered with IT yet so I can't comment on that front. Personally it was Nobutora and Ashikaga Yoshihide (?) who held the ridiculous LEAD which was over 100... The rest of their stats were decent, which doesn't allow everything else to fall to complete waste. (For having godly LEAD.). HAH! Shingen's stats are a necessary evil. He need's to compete with Kenshin someway. Their stats are almost too similar... Anyway, Nobunaga, leyasu, and Motonari need an upgrade in that general area. If not it would be fair to have a reduction on Shingen. They were just as good. I'm not too sure who Yoshihisa is. So can't say. Shimazu d00d, right?
Yeah. I noticed a lot of issues with clans that have messy stats I.e. Ashikaga, Date, (Excluding Masamune.) [Rise To Power] But because of the insane advantage the CPU held in this one, it wasn't a huge problem UNLESS you were the said clan. I remember playing as Sanada Masayuki's force and having a hard time with some general with 40 LEAD. |
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| Seraphil | Nov 17 2009, 11:19 AM Post #5 |
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Kenshin had relatively average Pol and Int to balance his highest-in-the-game Lead. Shingen is triple-A in all four stats(well, Chm is not THAT high but still noticeably so,) but the way RtP's gameplay worked made that livable. Takeda Nobutora has very high Lead, but nothing else really besides it. His Int isn't high enough to be particularly useful, and his Chm is abysmal. Ashikaga Yoshiteru benefits from one of the best swords in the game (+10 Lead) and the Shogun title, which is something like +12 Lead. His actual base Lead stat is a modest 73. The thing with Lead in RtP is that it's a combination of both actual military leadership and fighting prowess. This is why swordsmasters have such high Lead. In IT/Tendou with the introduction of the Valor stat, many characters took huge hits to their Lead stats to balance their excellent Valor. Shingen apparently dodged the hammer.
Eh, that's the thing though. In RtP, Shingen's Lead while very high is still on-par with guys like Tachibana Dosetsu, Shimazu Yoshihiro, Hojo Ujiyasu, and Mouri Motonari. However in Iron Triangle and Tendou, Shingen's Lead shoots through the roof compared to these other guys.
Yoshihisa is the main daimyo of the Shimazu clan in the Nobunaga games. He had appreciable Lead in RtP and IT, but got a good boost in Tendou. Yoshihiro used to have the superior Leadership, but they restructured him to now have awesome Valor and lower(but still very good) Lead.
It's not so much an insane advantage specific to the CPU than it is a "snowball" effect in place. Take the Otomo for example: by themselves, they're a pretty modest clan in the first few scenarios in RtP. However, the way they're positioned and the fact that the weakest daimyo(Ito) in Kyushu is right next to them, means they can barrel through Ito, then follow up on the Sagara. With the Aso(Otomo's vassal) surrounded, they capitulate immediately and join Otomo. Within less than a year of starting, you've got an enemy clan stronger than anyone else in the game. A similar effect is had with the Takeda, Satake, Nanbu and Asakura. It's ironically weird how Asakura can go so crazy in RtP to control all of central Japan when they're a complete wimp in IT and not a lot better in Tendou. |
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