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Samurai Warriors 3 [V3]; J Release: December 3rd, 2009, on Wii
Topic Started: Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:49 pm (272,075 Views)
Fūma
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Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:13 am
This one time I might be willing to believe that to be the reason, no matter how much I doubt the disc is really packed as full as everyone makes it sound like. Because up until now technical limitations are one of the last reasons Koei doesn't do things it "should" be doing.
If I remember correctly, SW2 XL was a double layer disc as opposed to SW2, and double layer discs are known to cause problems with the older PS2 models.

While it is disappointing that 7 characters lack a story mode, this isn't exactly something new to the series-- two of those characters didn't have a story in the previous game, either. With the game's stated focus those were probably the only characters they could get away with that for (well, you probably could easily cut Nene for someone else).

Having said that, of the seven I really wish Katsuie had a story mode. Realistically, the only thing he'd be serving is as a third wheel to some other characters' stories in that situation (as much as I didn't like his story in SW2 very much, it's still better than being the Oda lap dog or pining over Oichi every other level).
Well Katsuie's story wouldn't be much different from SW2XL. But for Toshiie, there is so much to have in his story (i.e serving Hideyoshi after Shizugatake, and the relationship with Keiji). And I expected Yoshimoto to have a story since there are lots of new battles that take place before Okehazama.

Toshiie, Yoshimoto (and maybe Katsuie) should have gotten the story mode. Not sure about Kotaro, though. IMO Okuni, Ranmaru and Nouhime don't really need one.
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Well Katsuie's story wouldn't be much different from SW2XL. But for Toshiie, there is so much to have in his story (i.e serving Hideyoshi after Shizugatake, and the relationship with Keiji). And I expected Yoshimoto to have a story since there are lots of new battles that take place before Okehazama.

Toshiie, Yoshimoto (and maybe Katsuie) should have gotten the story mode. Not sure about Kotaro, though. IMO Okuni, Ranmaru and Nouhime don't really need one.
I agree with Toshiie as he was too important to just put on the sidelines, and Katsuie as he was one of the biggest Oda retainers, and Yoshimoto, as he was important during the Kanto wars

Kotaro should get one, I have the idea of him serving Ujiyasu at first, who is the only one who can keep him under control, then proceed to his maverick ways.

No's storyline would just be excatcly like Nobunaga's, unless they went for the assasination plotline again.

Ranmaru, yes, but put individuality in the character, not just follow Mitsuhide everywhere.

Okuni, dunno
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For Toshiie, I'll probably go with this:

Anegawa -> Nagashino -> Tedorigawa -> Shizugatake -> Komaki-Nagakute

(To be honest, I don't know why I like Komaki more than Odawara).

Kotaro:

Mimasetoge -> Tonegawa -> Mikatagahara -> Odawara Castle -> Osaka Campaign

Noh:

Inabayama Castle -> Anegawa -> Nagashino -> Tedorigawa -> Honnoji

Ranmaru:

Odani Castle -> Nagashino -> Kizugawaguchi -> Honnoji -> Yamazaki

Katsuie:

Okehazama -> Kanegasaki -> Odani Castle -> Tedorigawa -> Shizugatake

(I don't really care 'bout how Katsuie's story would be, as long as there is Tedorigawa and Shizugatake)

Yoshimoto:

Azukizaka -> Sunsou -> Okehazama -> Suruga -> Yamazaki (vs Mouri)

Okuni

Kizugawaguchi -> Yamazaki -> Oshi Castle -> Sekigahara -> Osaka Campaign

(Ya know, I just came up with an idea that Okuni sides with the Tokugawa. Don't know why)>
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Okuni

Izumi -> Izumi -> Izumi -> Izumi -> Izumi



Fix'd

I don't think I still Remember her stage , If It's wrong correct me ...

Edit: Actually , I prefer her without Story mode , I want to see her in random stages but in Free Mode only : ) I don't know I think She's cool like that

Edited by Zero38, Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:33 pm.
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For Toshiie, I'll probably go with this:
Anegawa -> Nagashino -> Tedorigawa -> Shizugatake -> Komaki-Nagakute

(To be honest, I don't know why I like Komaki more than Odawara).

Kotaro:
Mimasetoge -> Tonegawa -> Mikatagahara -> Odawara Castle -> Osaka Campaign

Noh:
Inabayama Castle -> Anegawa -> Nagashino -> Tedorigawa -> Honnoji

Ranmaru:
Odani Castle -> Nagashino -> Kizugawaguchi -> Honnoji -> Yamazaki

Katsuie:
Okehazama -> Kanegasaki -> Odani Castle -> Tedorigawa -> Shizugatake

(I don't really care 'bout how Katsuie's story would be, as long as there is Tedorigawa and Shizugatake)

Yoshimoto:
Azukizaka -> Sunsou -> Okehazama -> Suruga -> Yamazaki (vs Mouri)

Okuni
Kizugawaguchi -> Yamazaki -> Oshi Castle -> Sekigahara -> Osaka Campaign

(Ya know, I just came up with an idea that Okuni sides with the Tokugawa. Don't know why)>
These are good!

My version would be:

Toshiie
Anegawa -> Tedorigawa -> Shizugatake -> Komaki-Nagakute -> Odawara castle
Shizugatake would be on the Shibata side like historically

Kotaro
Kawagoe castle -> Mimasetoge -> Odawara castle -> Sekigahara -> Osaka castle
I would really like to see something like this: first he serves Ujiyasu for three first battles, then after he passes away Kotaro would rampage and spread chaos at Sekigahara and Osaka.

Katsuie
Okehazama -> Kanegasaki -> Odani castle -> Tedorigawa -> Shizugatake
This seems pretty good choice

Yoshimoto
Kawagoe castle -> Sunsou -> Okehazama -> Suruga -> Kanto decisive battle (?)
The last stage would be something like Imagawa-Hojo-Takeda alliance vs. Uesugi-Date. Would be pretty climatic battle.
Edited by Fūma, Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:18 pm.
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Of those without stories, the only ones I remorse are Toshiie, Katsuie, Yoshimoto and Fuma. My rationing of why they didn't get stories (well, besides possible disc space issues and running out of time) is because:
1) Katsuie's storyin SW2XL were both near perfect as far as levels and stories (I felt), and anything else would have been a downgrade. They would either have repeated the story (in which it just kind of loses it's luster) or pulled a Nouhime and it had been just completely bland and boring. So, I figure if I really wanted him to have a story, I'd stick in SW2XL (or would, if I still had it... I still do not regret selling it. He had the best story, but it wasn't worth it).
2) Toshiie- see above. Though they COULD have given him some kind of involvement with Keiji, but seeing as he's sort of the Lu Meng of Lu Xun-Gan Ning's story (supporting role), it doesn't bother me to see him without a story. Besides, I don't particularly like him anyways. Arrogant, whiny little brat. *stops self before it becomes a rant*
3) Yoshimoto's story in SW2XL was disappointing. Again, like with Katsuie, his best story was in a previous game, and unlike SW2XL, I can still play SWXL.
4) As much as I love Fuma, he doesn't have enough to really sustain a story on his own. Sure, Koei could have been imaginative, but I always saw him as a character that pops up here and there and for convenience purposes ("hey, we need a third party to jump in just to stir in some trouble, maybe make the level a little more difficult. Hey, throw in Kotaro!"). So, as much as I love him, I can live with him being FMO.

As for the other three? Not surprised, and I'd rather Nouhime not have a story than another repeat of the disappointment that was her story in SW2. Minus the dream stage, it was a waste of disk space.
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Of those without stories, the only ones I remorse are Toshiie, Katsuie, Yoshimoto and Fuma. My rationing of why they didn't get stories (well, besides possible disc space issues and running out of time) is because:
1) Katsuie's storyin SW2XL were both near perfect as far as levels and stories (I felt), and anything else would have been a downgrade. They would either have repeated the story (in which it just kind of loses it's luster) or pulled a Nouhime and it had been just completely bland and boring. So, I figure if I really wanted him to have a story, I'd stick in SW2XL (or would, if I still had it... I still do not regret selling it. He had the best story, but it wasn't worth it).
2) Toshiie- see above. Though they COULD have given him some kind of involvement with Keiji, but seeing as he's sort of the Lu Meng of Lu Xun-Gan Ning's story (supporting role), it doesn't bother me to see him without a story. Besides, I don't particularly like him anyways. Arrogant, whiny little brat. *stops self before it becomes a rant*
3) Yoshimoto's story in SW2XL was disappointing. Again, like with Katsuie, his best story was in a previous game, and unlike SW2XL, I can still play SWXL.
4) As much as I love Fuma, he doesn't have enough to really sustain a story on his own. Sure, Koei could have been imaginative, but I always saw him as a character that pops up here and there and for convenience purposes ("hey, we need a third party to jump in just to stir in some trouble, maybe make the level a little more difficult. Hey, throw in Kotaro!"). So, as much as I love him, I can live with him being FMO.

As for the other three? Not surprised, and I'd rather Nouhime not have a story than another repeat of the disappointment that was her story in SW2. Minus the dream stage, it was a waste of disk space.
You always seem to post my exact opinion when it comes to SW. I don't know how you do it, lol.
I completely agree with everything above, and I don't think there's anything they could have done. Not to mention that I have all the games where stories are included, so hey, I can always play those when I'm feeling like I'm missing something. :XD
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Well, the characters that were denied a story of their own in Samurai Warriors 3 probably didn't need one all that much since they already had impressive scenarios in the games that they first appeared in. Since the theme of this game is all about forming bonds, the free mode characters (sans Okuni) have already established relationships that have been thoroughly dissected in previous installments of the series.

In my opinion, it would be a very difficult task for the developers to create a story for someone like No since her original story of love and hatred was among the best while her second one felt more bland and generic. I'm not completely against the idea of having these characters be given a storyline. Rather, I would like to see the writers come up with new scenarios that could make them shine even more and put their old ones to shame.
Edited by Humble Novice, Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:06 am.
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Well, the characters that were denied a story of their own in Samurai Warriors 3 probably didn't need one all that much since they already had impressive scenarios in the games that they first appeared in. Since the theme of this game is all about forming bonds, the free mode characters (sans Okuni) have already established relationships that have been thoroughly dissected in previous installments of the series.

In my opinion, it would be a very difficult task for the developers to create a story for someone like No since her original story of love and hatred was among the best while her second one felt more bland and generic. I'm not completely against the idea of having these characters be given a storyline. Rather, I would like to see the writers come up with new scenarios that could make them shine even more and put their old ones to shame.
dunno about that. i like the idea of everyone getting their own stage.
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Mon Mar 29, 2010 2:59 am
Well, the characters that were denied a story of their own in Samurai Warriors 3 probably didn't need one all that much since they already had impressive scenarios in the games that they first appeared in. Since the theme of this game is all about forming bonds, the free mode characters (sans Okuni) have already established relationships that have been thoroughly dissected in previous installments of the series.

In my opinion, it would be a very difficult task for the developers to create a story for someone like No since her original story of love and hatred was among the best while her second one felt more bland and generic. I'm not completely against the idea of having these characters be given a storyline. Rather, I would like to see the writers come up with new scenarios that could make them shine even more and put their old ones to shame.
dunno about that. i like the idea of everyone getting their own stage.
Yeah but someone like Yoshimoto could get a completely new storyline since now Ujiyasu is in and there are lots of pre-Okehazama battles. :hehe:
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Just under two months till EU release... can't wait...

How many blocks of memory does SW3 take up?
Edited by Furinkazen, Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:45 pm.
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Argh I don't understand why Yoshimoto has a storyline in SWXL, Gets cut in SW2 but re-added in SW2XL but gets cut in SW3...Is it because hes pre-Sengoku or is it something entirely different?
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Not because he is pre-Sengoku, since before 1560 is already a part of the era.

Honestly, Yoshimoto is SW's "joke character". That, and I just think Koei had nothing good in store for Yoshimoto (or maybe they ran out of space?).
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Just under two months till EU release... can't wait...

How many blocks of memory does SW3 take up?
I'd like to estimate, about 6-9 blocks of memory.
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Not because he is pre-Sengoku, since before 1560 is already a part of the era.

Honestly, Yoshimoto is SW's "joke character". That, and I just think Koei had nothing good in store for Yoshimoto (or maybe they ran out of space?).
The only reason you think that is because of how they portray him, yet it is a pretty good depiction of how he was in history, just a bit exaggerated.. but they all are..

The reason he’s in and out of the game is because they have very little reason to be albe to use him..

In sw1 he didn’t have a major role apart from okehazama... He was then a character in sw xl because they wanted him to.. Same with kojiro..

In sw2 he was cut again because okehazama was cut because of the period situation.. It was then back in because it had another reason to be in.. And that is katsuie and toshiie in sw2 xl... So they re-added yoshimoto because they could..

In sw3.. he is still not that much of an important character to have a story mode.. Same goes for kotaro and okuni..

i would call goemon a joke character and a filler character.. But he was a nice add for okuni's sake.

yoshimoto is a complicated character
Edited by Joetri10, Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:47 pm.
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Honestly, Kojiro is added because of Musashi. As far as I'm concerned, you can't talk about one without the other. Kinda like you can't have Shingen withouth Kenshin.
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I think Joe was just saying Kojiro got a similar treatment as Yoshimoto in SW1/XL.

They both were NPCs that appeared in various events. Yoshimoto with peoples scenarios in Okehazama and Kojiro for Musashi's story, and to a lesser extent Kusegawa. Therefore when the XL came out they were an easier upgrade than new characters and got story modes, although Tokugawa/ Azai/ Kennyo could have been treated the same unlike Ina and Tadakatsu to an extent.
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Yeh thats what i ment by that..
they put kojiro in because they wanted to, because of musashi.. just like they added yoshimoto in because they wanted to.. because of okehazama.

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exactly ZhugeJebus ;) ..

Where did you just come from :ph43r:
:lol:
Edited by Joetri10, Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:51 pm.
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Honestly, Kojiro is added because of Musashi. As far as I'm concerned, you can't talk about one without the other. Kinda like you can't have Shingen withouth Kenshin.
Well it isn't impossible to have Shingen without Kenshin because then the only battle missing in his story would be Kawanakajima (and maybe Tonegawa).
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Not because he is pre-Sengoku, since before 1560 is already a part of the era.

Honestly, Yoshimoto is SW's "joke character". That, and I just think Koei had nothing good in store for Yoshimoto (or maybe they ran out of space?).
The only reason you think that is because of how they portray him, yet it is a pretty good depiction of how he was in history, just a bit exaggerated.. but they all are..

The reason he’s in and out of the game is because they have very little reason to be albe to use him..

In sw1 he didn’t have a major role apart from okehazama... He was then a character in sw xl because they wanted him to.. Same with kojiro..

In sw2 he was cut again because okehazama was cut because of the period situation.. It was then back in because it had another reason to be in.. And that is katsuie and toshiie in sw2 xl... So they re-added yoshimoto because they could..

In sw3.. he is still not that much of an important character to have a story mode.. Same goes for kotaro and okuni..

i would call goemon a joke character and a filler character.. But he was a nice add for okuni's sake.

yoshimoto is a complicated character
I will laugh if they revamp yoshimoto's character. seriously he's got the white make up. if someone's that white you know it's a joke.
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Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:45 pm + reply to Mei Mei
Not because he is pre-Sengoku, since before 1560 is already a part of the era.

Honestly, Yoshimoto is SW's "joke character". That, and I just think Koei had nothing good in store for Yoshimoto (or maybe they ran out of space?).
The only reason you think that is because of how they portray him, yet it is a pretty good depiction of how he was in history, just a bit exaggerated.. but they all are..

The reason he’s in and out of the game is because they have very little reason to be albe to use him..

In sw1 he didn’t have a major role apart from okehazama... He was then a character in sw xl because they wanted him to.. Same with kojiro..

In sw2 he was cut again because okehazama was cut because of the period situation.. It was then back in because it had another reason to be in.. And that is katsuie and toshiie in sw2 xl... So they re-added yoshimoto because they could..

In sw3.. he is still not that much of an important character to have a story mode.. Same goes for kotaro and okuni..

i would call goemon a joke character and a filler character.. But he was a nice add for okuni's sake.

yoshimoto is a complicated character
I will laugh if they revamp yoshimoto's character. seriously he's got the white make up. if someone's that white you know it's a joke.
so kojiro and aya are jokes?.. (well... not so much aya.. its just when ever i look at her.. her skin seems so white)
Edited by Joetri10, Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:11 am.
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I will laugh if they revamp yoshimoto's character. seriously he's got the white make up. if someone's that white you know it's a joke.
Aside from that sounding ridiculously racist (though I know it isn't), that white makeup was actually common with nobility in Pre-Electricity Japan. As streets were often dark, even under lamp-light, the use of white makeup was often used by nobles (and sometimes merchants) to make themselves easier to see in the dark. This practice was later used by Geisha for the same reason.


And as for why Yoshimoto keeps getting the Yo-yo treatment...
He was added in SW1 as an UNPC because he was important to Nobunaga's story (Nobunaga was the focus of SW1, remember), but only for one battle, so it didn't really make sense to make him a PC.

In SW1XL, it was probably decided that he and Hideyoshi COULD have fun stories on their own, so they got the stories along with Tadakatsu (another major hero figure) and Ina (to keep ratios happy).

In SW2, the focuses shifted to Hideyoshi and Sekigahara. Nobunaga's story became less spot-lighted. Ranmaru lost his story (but was still needed as an UNPC), Noh's story got hacked up. And Okehazama was dropped as a stage.

For SW2XL, I think a different team worked on the game. But either way, one of 2 things happened: 1) Fans were asking "Hey! Where's Imagawa?" and Koei responded by putting him back in, or 2) The team just said, "Who can we put in without too much trouble?" and chose Imagawa's return. I can't give exact details on which happened, but either seems pretty likely.

For SW3, my guess is that they went through all the characters of the previous games and planned to have as many in as possible (because that's the Musou way). But when budget came around, they had to ask themselves which characters did they think they could drop because the stories affect the least characters (and they chose Goemon, Musashi, Kojiro, and Gracia), and which characters are interesting/fun enough to keep around as FMOs to populate the stories of other characters, and everyone else (aside form Okuni). Okuni is a bit of a wild card in all this, since I'd like to hope their decision for her is a bit more than "someone on the team likes her". But speculations for her can go in a different post, since this is about Imagawa.
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As I said before. Toshiie should have more involvement with Nobunaga. they were friends since childhood, Toshiie was one of Nobunagas' koshōs like Ranmaru and was made the head of Maeda clan because of him. In SW XL 2 Toshiie seemed to be serving Nobunaga under Katsuie, and were indifferent. Koei could also bring Matsu to spice his story and Nene's story. Since they were best friends.

I also think Katsuie story was perfect. But Koei could put a rivalry between him and Hideyoshi.

Like some people said, Koei can be creative with Kotarō, Nō, Ranmaru and Okuni. Yoshimoto really doesn't matter to me. Just to be destroyed by Nobunaga x]
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As much as I like Matsu, she's not necessary. Koei already show that Toshiie could be enjoyable without her. Still, if they add her, It will be cool.

And no, Shingen without Kenshin = fail.
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Since the games comes out in the UK first, would voice actor be the same when its release in the US?
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