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| Samurai Warriors 3 [V3]; J Release: December 3rd, 2009, on Wii | |
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| Joetri10 | Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:45 pm Post #5626 |
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Don't Even Pray For Me, No!
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But Nene isn’t in love with the people she’s protecting apart from Hideyoshi and Nene is considered a warrior on the battlefield and not a bodyguard.. Not to mention Nene was never actually a ninja or a fighter in history and neither is the Kunoichi (the character koei has created)... Kunoichi job was to protect and nothing else!! They could not be a couple... You still fail to understand it, don’t think you do... She *CANNOT* love him and *CANNOT* be with him ..Anyway, its a drama storyline, thats its purpose.. and people eat this stuff up.. |
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| ChibiGingi | Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:56 pm Post #5627 |
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Booyaka, Booyaka
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Well, let's pretend Kunoichi is, in fact, a real human being. Technically, speaking, she CAN fall in love. She CAN be with him. Cannot implies that there is a physical barrier around her emotions and hormones that disallows her to love him, and a barrier around him that prevents her from getting close. Now, what you mean is, she SHOULD NOT fall in love with him, and she SHOULD NOT be with him. That's more or less implication that there is more of a mental or social reasoning as to why she shouldn't be with him. Now, she could simply drop the whole bodyguard act and simply do what Kai and Nene do, which is becomes warriors on the battlefield, therefor gaining the "right" to love Yukimura, but that would probably require her to grow a brain cell or two I guess. I understand her being shy or nervous to approach Yukimura about it, and if it was just that and the general idea that he's not really paying attention to her, then that would be just enough drama to appease the drama fans and those of us who just want to finish her story (no love for Kunoichi... I've grown to love Nene's moveset more thanks to her crowd clearing abilities, or I just don't remember how to use Kunoichi anymore). But no, they thrown in this 'rule' do complicate matters. Simple solution: don't be a bodyguard? I'm sure the Sengoku Bodyguard Agency isn't going to flog her for having a simple human emotion... (Look, I'm going to troll Kunoichi at any chance I get. I personally would have preferred either Katsuiie or Toshiie having a story over her and Motochika, but I underestimate the fan favorites of Japan having a huge say so in who gets a story for what reason). |
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| Joetri10 | Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:05 pm Post #5628 |
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Don't Even Pray For Me, No!
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If she falls in love with him then she would be fired as a bodyguard.. She shouldn’t yes... but mainly she cannot.. Kunoichi was trained to be a ninja and a bodyguard.. there’s really not much more i can say without just repeating myself |
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| Astus | Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:13 pm Post #5629 |
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Kunoichi used to be one of my favourites in the original Samurai Warriors. Somewhat naive but prone to have fun. Mischievous and aware of who she was. Also had a dark edge as seen in Ina's Musou Mode. All in all, she was a lot more mature than she's portrayed to be in SW3. Her looks, while more revealing, seem to cast her in a younger light. Maybe it's the hair. Probably. And she's shorter than what she was, well in comparison to Yukimura at least. They also pumped up the naive factor. While she had the same voice actor, there was a lot more squeakiness. I also preferred the dynamics of the Kunoichi/Yukimura relationship in Uno than Tres. Sure, some things such as Kuno's lower path ending were weird but it was good. It seemed they were partners (in the business, battle sense rather than the intimate kind) rather than Kuno constantly mooning and running after Yukes. If she is to return in SW4, I'd like to see a balance struck between the two. Keep her individuality, and mischievous nature with a look akin to her SW1 alt but throw in some love and the like if it's necessary. Give her a softer side but maintain her edginess just not a repeat of SW3. Anyway, I just wanted to get a general opinion on the English VA for SW3. In comparison to Uno and Dos, what would you rate them? |
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| ChibiGingi | Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:14 pm Post #5630 |
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Booyaka, Booyaka
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I'm very callous when it comes to other people's love problems, I guess. I'm not the best person to come to when it comes to giving advise about relationships gone awry. I guess that's why I really don't have any compassion for Kunoichi's love dilemma and find it more annoying than I do tragic. Then again, you should have seen me playing Nene's story back in SW2. "My husband would rather love the concubines than love me!" My solution: Kill Hideyoshi, or kill the concubines. She ended up firing them, so that's a win in my book too. I love a woman that gets to the root of the problem and fixes it (though killing the concubines would have been a more permanent solution). I am both glad and saddened by the dropping of whole concubine ordeal, simply because I actually liked that jealous side of Nene, and how frightening she could be. Dropping my irrational hatred of Kunoichi for the moment, I will point out a blaring flaw in this game. For a game with 30+ playable characters, it should has a problem of repeating a lot of stages. For example, my bad fortune and order of characters have pretty much made me to Ueda Castle, Assault on Oshi Castle and Mitsunari's Escape 3 times in a row... and honestly, I'm getting more annoyed with those stages than I am of Sekigahara (which I've done only once now). I don't know, maybe I got spoiled with the illusion of freedom you have in SB3 and getting to add some diversity in the order of the stages, but I'm really starting to get that 'who gives a ****' feeling when I put the game disc in. SW3, you're making it hard for me to love you as much as I want to... Edit: @Astus- I preferred SW1 and WO Kunoichi too... I'm guessing that's why I'm more bothered with her now than I should be. As for voices, I don't listen to them much in English, though I'm missing out on some tidbits during the narration scenes. Seriously, why isn't THAT subtitled? Don't make me play the subpar English version just for that! For what little I've heard, it's pretty much similar VAs to the WO series, which means they're slightly under SW2 quality. I preferred SW1, but that's personal preference on my part. It had Richard Epcar and Robert Klein, and Shingen and Ieyasu will always be considered 'blegh' in the English version without them. Edited by ChibiGingi, Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:18 pm.
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| Mr. Kamikaze | Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:19 pm Post #5631 |
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It is possible to love someone and protect them. Many times we protect people because we love them. Kunoichi was using her role as a bodyguard as an excuse to not love Yukimura. Her 'issues' were pretty irrelevant. Drama is cool...but only if its good drama. Like Ina and Yukimura drama. It was good at first, but it got pretty boring when there was no real development between them other than Yuki slashing a leaf in half. |
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| Joetri10 | Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:25 pm Post #5632 |
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Don't Even Pray For Me, No!
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You gotta think back and the times this period is bassed apon.. It was alot different back then.. love was a different thing |
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| Jorgh | Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:44 pm Post #5633 |
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Beecha-tard~<3
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SW1 is the best, but I like 3's voices a bit more than 2's for the most part. I do miss Kanetsugu's voice from 2 though
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| Mr. Kamikaze | Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:51 pm Post #5634 |
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I like the characterizations in SW3 more, and the writing and dialogue feels more thought out and deeper than previous games. Gameplay wise, it's not bad...I just would've liked to not feel like I was playing SW2 on the Wii...ya know... |
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| Azu | Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:37 am Post #5635 |
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Right General
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Okay, now I finished all stories. Took me some time, considering that I got the EU version
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| Claus | Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:56 am Post #5636 |
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old hag
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(I didn't want to quote your entire post, but it made my post look weird if I didn't) I feel the exact same about Kunoichi this time as well. She is one of the few characters I watched the cut scenes of in SW3 (seeing as I wont be getting it; No Wii ) and I am very disappointed in her character. She is a major downgrade from SW1 sadly, she used to be one of my favourites too. She lost a lot of her previous traits that made me like her, and you're right about her voice, it's squeakier and has a lot less of the emotion and fun it used to have,And while in SW1 I always thought seeing a Yuki/Kunoichi relationship upgrade would be nice, I have to say, they really took it into a poor and overall annoying direction with this game. Sorry for basically repeating everything that Astus said, but I read his post and felt the need to reply. (On a somewhat unrelated note: Ujiyasu has got to be one of the best new characters, and is probably one of my favourites now, I haven't even played him) |
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| Amakusa | Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:15 am Post #5637 |
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Emperor's Retainer
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That's funny, only Kanetsugu and Kunoichi get all three of those stages.
Off-topic... but yes, they do. Edited by Amakusa, Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:19 am.
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| ChibiGingi | Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:20 am Post #5638 |
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Booyaka, Booyaka
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Really? I swore I was playing another character with those stages... oh well, I could simply be mistaken then. I did have to do the Mitsunari stage twice for one of them, seeing as one of the characters that I had to keep alive went entirely herpaderp and got himself killed. Kai did the same thing at Osaka campaign for Kunoichi... second time around, I literally killed anyone that circled around the castle before approaching Yukimura. Nevermind then... I miscounted then. Still, feels like I did Mitsunari's Rescue a lot more time than that... |
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| Nashyy | Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:58 pm Post #5639 |
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Old Gan Ning is the best.....
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I think more people have that stage: Keiji Kunoichi Magoichi Masamune Kanetsuge idk I haven't beaten it with everyone yet but those are the ones I know for a fact have it hope I helped
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| Fūma | Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:08 pm Post #5640 |
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The Dragon Has Returned
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Why did they have to spam this stage so much? Playing same stage 5 times is ok when you can play on both sides but playing on the same side 5 times is very boring. |
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| Mr. Kamikaze | Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:10 pm Post #5641 |
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Osaka Campaign is another stage that was just overused. It became the new Sekigahara.....and seriously, what was the deal with Kunoichi's Osaka stage... -.- I needed to use a 2player strategy (me being both players) in order to beat that damn stage, such an awful stage. |
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| Chou Hi | Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:23 pm Post #5642 |
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Weapon... I have it all!
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To be fair, Kunoichi's one is far more suicidal than Nene's 4. But I think Kunoichi's problem is less with her own feelings as much as Yukimura's feelings. HE is the one who treats her like just his ninja or, at best, like his little sister. I think she's more frustrated that she can't be MORE than that in his eyes. Also, Ninja are considered to be a lower "class" than Samurai, due to their lower adherence to Bushido. Hanzo was a bit of an exception to this. However, this is less of an issue for Hideyoshi who is not a Samurai (he's a peasant). So he could, actually have a love-relationship with a ninja... and everything else that moves. |
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| Fūma | Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:25 pm Post #5643 |
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Not to even mention that it was always Spoiler: click to toggle
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| Chou Hi | Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:28 pm Post #5644 |
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Weapon... I have it all!
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Well, it's not like you can do anything AFTER Osaka. The war was over when that went down. |
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| Fūma | Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:06 pm Post #5645 |
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Well SW2 used imagination for Masamune (showdown at Mikatagahara, which was pretty cool). |
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| Nashyy | Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:10 am Post #5646 |
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Old Gan Ning is the best.....
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yah dude I swear that was so hard it took me like 5 times to get it right haha it was by far the hardest so far! lol also how do you get 4th weapons? Edited by Nashyy, Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:56 am.
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| ChibiGingi | Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:12 am Post #5647 |
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NOT TRUE. Masanori offed himself 4 times at Odawara... that guy has some kind of fixtation on going straight into enemy lines and holding a sign that says 'Kill me, Make Nene RAGEQUIT please!'.
This is true. In order for a relationship to work, there should at least be interest from both parties, unless it's a political and class marriage or something. Sorry, Kunoichi, but he's just not that into you. Take a hint? There are other little fishies in the sea...
So, in other words, the only thing holding her back from loving him are herself and Yukimura's overall lack of interest? Good to know then. As for Kunoichi's Osaka Castle, Kai kept going DEEDEEDEE and getting herself offed (useless twit, Yukimura's holding is own against 5 generals and you can't handle one or two? USELESS!). If found that if you don't immediately go to Yukimura when the game prompts you to, you have enough time to run around and kill every MOFO inside and outside of Osaka. Sure, you'll still have Kanetsugu, Hanzo and the reinforcements to worry about, but that'll give you a few less officers to have to deal with when it comes to Yukimura's death charge. That's how I was able to do it in single player, anyway. Edited by ChibiGingi, Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:13 am.
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| Lord Mizer | Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:02 am Post #5648 |
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First Lieutenant
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Looks like I need to save up on some money for SW3. From what I've seen, the character's stories have improved....especially Oichi's.( Never liked her story in SW1, and don't let me get started on SW2). Ah well. |
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| Amakusa | Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:45 am Post #5649 |
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I hate those imaginary last stages.... Just as in SW2, the terrain was literally the only thing that was different, and invariably the opposing side was Ieyasu Tokugawa. |
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| Chou Hi | Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:39 pm Post #5650 |
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First off, that's a great mental image. Masanori: I'm gonna go fight everyone! Hraaaaaa! Nene: Wait! No! DAMMIT MASANORI! YOU KNOW WHAT?! FINE YOU GO THERE! YOU SEE IF I CARE IF YOU DIE! ... ... ... Nene: Dammit... I do care.... I'M COMING MASANORI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hehe... But the difference is that her boys actually think they are capable... and generally they are when they don't split up. Yuki, on the other hand, sees all the odds stacked against him and charges. Such a drama queen! |
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) and I am very disappointed in her character. She is a major downgrade from SW1 sadly, she used to be one of my favourites too. She lost a lot of her previous traits that made me like her, and you're right about her voice, it's squeakier and has a lot less of the emotion and fun it used to have,


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