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Samurai Warriors 3 [V3]; J Release: December 3rd, 2009, on Wii
Topic Started: Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:49 pm (272,019 Views)
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Just buy a decent copy of the game from amazon like me and use your current save :P Seriously by now it shouldn't be that expensive. But yeah Gecko is one of those weird hacks so don't bother lol
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I'm TOTALLY lost on online buying. I seriously have no idea how the thing works at all.

But if the price is indeed cheap I may consider it. Seriously, the one true gaming store in the Philippines doesn't believe in sales or bargain bins. So usually, games that cost P2,300 when they first came out years ago would still cost P2,300 today.
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Well I recommend amazon. You pay with card, then it is delivered to you via post.
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Yeah I checked the Amazon price. It's pretty reasonable, though I don't even know how much shipping costs add on to it.

Besides I'm still lost at operating Amazon or any other online sites. How do I know it'll ship? How to I even pay online? How the hell does Paypal even work?
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I'm certain that if you google the question a answer will appear :)
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I buying the wii for him and very soon i well get it

But I'm worry about graphics :(

I see some images look good and others look bad

Anyone can tell me about it ? :/
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Wii versions graphics sadly aren't next-gen quality. They're on par with PS2 graphics, perhaps even slightly worse. I recommend you watch some gameplay vids on Youtube and judge them by yourself.

Does the difficulty affect to material drops? And is it possible to always obtain the same type of materia from certain missions or is it always random? And what's the best place to farm materials?I want to create level 3 skills but I'm always lacking better materials (bigger ones, no idea what they're called in Eng. version) Note tham I'm playing Z, so Murasame Castle isn't available for me.

Z has Original Career mode (plays much like Xtreme mode in DWXL games) which provides a lot of different materials and is good for farming but it's a long and tedious game mode. I'd much rather try farming on Story/Free/Historical mode.
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I wasn't put off by the graphics personally. Then again I'm not much of a graphics person to begin with and I haven't played a Warriors game in a couple of years prior to SW3.

From the parts I've played in free mode, it seems that difficulty and your glove equipment affect material drops. When I play Mikatagahara-Takeda side on normal (7 stars), and equip a glove that has the "collector" element at maximum, I get the better materials (those big red/blue/green/yellow gems) and a ton more drops of them. Heck sometimes I'm lucky and get that rare white gem.

I'd say just go for about any high star stage on normal and go nuts. I'd go for Mikatagahara-Takeda side since you can also get 22 rice in that stage.
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Yeah I checked the Amazon price. It's pretty reasonable, though I don't even know how much shipping costs add on to it.

Besides I'm still lost at operating Amazon or any other online sites. How do I know it'll ship? How to I even pay online? How the hell does Paypal even work?
Online shopping isn't that complicated. You just haven't tried, that's all. All you need is an Amazon account and a credit card/debit card.

You know, I'd recommend you sign up for an Amazon account now and experience it for yourself. Just sign up, set up your delivery address and just add SW3 to your online shopping cart, it'll take you to check out and let you know the shipping cost to your address. You can always cancel it if you think the shipping is too expensive as long as you don't complete the check-out process.
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Wii versions graphics sadly aren't next-gen quality. They're on par with PS2 graphics, perhaps even slightly worse. I recommend you watch some gameplay vids on Youtube and judge them by yourself.

Does the difficulty affect to material drops? And is it possible to always obtain the same type of materia from certain missions or is it always random? And what's the best place to farm materials?I want to create level 3 skills but I'm always lacking better materials (bigger ones, no idea what they're called in Eng. version) Note tham I'm playing Z, so Murasame Castle isn't available for me.

Z has Original Career mode (plays much like Xtreme mode in DWXL games) which provides a lot of different materials and is good for farming but it's a long and tedious game mode. I'd much rather try farming on Story/Free/Historical mode.
Hang on, if you don't habve murasame, does this mean having:
1) No rare special items, usually obtained by doing a certain stage(ie. tengu shoes)?
2) No Matsukaze or bear mount, usually obtained via certain amount of tanuki?
3) NO PLAYABLE TAKAMARU? HE HAS HIS OWN ULTIMATE MUSOU!!! He creates a fire tornado in front of him using his sword.
4) No Murasame NPC skins for CAW creation? Man this SW3Z sucks.
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Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:36 pm
Wii versions graphics sadly aren't next-gen quality. They're on par with PS2 graphics, perhaps even slightly worse. I recommend you watch some gameplay vids on Youtube and judge them by yourself.

Does the difficulty affect to material drops? And is it possible to always obtain the same type of materia from certain missions or is it always random? And what's the best place to farm materials?I want to create level 3 skills but I'm always lacking better materials (bigger ones, no idea what they're called in Eng. version) Note tham I'm playing Z, so Murasame Castle isn't available for me.

Z has Original Career mode (plays much like Xtreme mode in DWXL games) which provides a lot of different materials and is good for farming but it's a long and tedious game mode. I'd much rather try farming on Story/Free/Historical mode.
Hang on, if you don't habve murasame, does this mean having:
1) No rare special items, usually obtained by doing a certain stage(ie. tengu shoes)?
2) No Matsukaze or bear mount, usually obtained via certain amount of tanuki?
3) NO PLAYABLE TAKAMARU? HE HAS HIS OWN ULTIMATE MUSOU!!! He creates a fire tornado in front of him using his sword.
4) No Murasame NPC skins for CAW creation? Man this SW3Z sucks.
Uh, no. I'm pretty sure rare special items and Matsukaze and the bear can be obtained elsewhere in the game, liiiiiike in the extra modes that they added in when they took out Murasame Castle. You know, considering that they're Koei's property and not owned by Nintendo, and Matsukaze at least has been a stable of the SW series.

Though yeah, considering Takamaru's included in the Nintendo-exclusive property, there's no playing as him.
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In SW3Z, all rare equipment is obtained from Original Career Mode. As I said earlier, it plays much like Xtreme Mode in DWXL games. The main difference is that you can choose between 3 themes: Force, Intelligence or Fortune. There's also a 4th theme called Unification which is unlocked after you clear Career Mode at least once. The chosen theme affects to objectives you have to complete. There are 6 objectives in total and you are given a certain amount of days to complete each of them. Completing these objectives is necessary if you want to unlock rare equipment.

At first I thought Career mode was amazing. Rare materials are easy to obtain and you can also get very good weapons and equipment with 6 abilities + 9 customization points. SW3Z also features an option to replace equipment's current abilities with new ones (I believe this was not possible in SW3), so Career Mode is certainly a heaven for players who like to create their own ultimate equipment.

However, once I had played through about 20 stages, I started to get bored with it. Difficulty doesn't drastically change and missions remain the same. Objectives aren't that hard to complete (Force has objectives like defeat X amount of enemies/generals etc.) but it does take a while to clear them. You need to get to day 37th in order to finish all 6 objectives and that's tedious. I'm now on my 4th objective and only at day 12 and I can't even count the hours I've played already (has to be +5h). Also, days only pass when you take a break between clearing missions. For example, if you start on Day 1 and clear 10 missions in a row without taking a break, you're stilll going to be on Day 1. Only when you take a break, days change. It would be easier if you could just clear 1 stage , take a break and advance to next day. However, objectives are always given a time limit and completing mission like 'Defeat 2700 enemies within 5 days' is pretty hard to accomplish by just playing 5 stages alone (stages have 15 min. time limit, so you can't really stop to farm KOs).

And guess what's the most annoying part? You have to play Career Mode through at least 7 times in order to get all rare equipment + Matsukaze and Bear Saddle.

So overall, it's a good mode for farming stuff but besides that, it doesn't have much to offer. If and when I manage to clear it 7 times, I think I'll be staying away from it it for a while.

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3) NO PLAYABLE TAKAMARU? HE HAS HIS OWN ULTIMATE MUSOU!!! He creates a fire tornado in front of him using his sword.

And that was the only unique thing about Takamaru (excluding his character model). Think I'll be ok without him ;) . Besides, SW3Z (and XL) features 3 new characters: Masanori, Aya and Gracia. Those three are more than enough to replace generic Takamaru.

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4) No Murasame NPC skins for CAW creation? Man this SW3Z sucks.

Personally, I don't even care that much about CaW. I'm only going to create 3 characters: Generic Spear, Naginata and Generic Sword wielder. That way I can play Historical Mode and obtain 4th and 5th unique weapons of those weapon types :wave: .
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How are Aya, Masanori and Gracia anyway moveset wise? Are Aya and Masanori effective? Was Gracia improved?
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I tried Amazon. They don't allow game shipments to Philippines. Screw it, I'm just gonna watch the story cutscenes on YT. That's really mainly the parts I'm missing out on anyway.
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I haven't tried out Aya and Masanori yet but they both seem decent moveset wise. At least Masanori is annoying as hell as opponent since he spams a grab attack and his basic attacks have surprisingly good range.

As for Gracia, well that little lady is still pretty cheap moveset-wise. She's not as cheap as in SW2XL but nevertheless, she's still pretty devastating. Main differences:

- Shoots 3 water balls with her C3-2 this time
- Shoots a small gust of wind with her C4-2
- R1 + S (Special 1) remains the same (able to shoot fireballs, drop icicles and shoot laser beams)
- R1 + T (Special 2) has slightly been nerfed. She can't recover health or increase attack. She can only activate protective shield this time.
- Special attacks don't cost musou
- Unable to recover Musou with C1-1 attack
- Musou Kaiden: Spirit Bomb (it's literally Goku's Spirit Bomb from DBZ, no kidding)

Like in SW2XL, her specials are what make her so effective character. The shield which she can activate with R1+T lasts 10-15 secs and she's literally invincible during that phase. And since her specials don't cost Musou at all, you can use it as many times as you want. One cheap tactic you can use is to activate shield, spam fireballs, icicles etc, activate the shield again and so on. It's impossible to die with this tactic, even if you're playing with fresh Gracia on Chaos difficulty.

Although she can't anymore recover Musou with C1 attack, she can still fill her Musou and Spirit gauges quickly with R1+S specials. So spamming her Musou constantly is another way to go.
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How are Aya, Masanori and Gracia anyway moveset wise? Are Aya and Masanori effective? Was Gracia improved?
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I tried Amazon. They don't allow game shipments to Philippines. Screw it, I'm just gonna watch the story cutscenes on YT. That's really mainly the parts I'm missing out on anyway.
Aya's moveset is... interesting. Kind of weak, but her charge moves are actually rather powerful.

Gracia seems to be about the same, though? I don't really remember her SW2XL moveset enough to make any concrete statements.

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Yeah, unfortunately a lot of places will only sell books or something overseas. :/ There's Amazon China, which ships video games over seas, but I didn't see SW3 there when I checked. Failing that, maybe you could just ask someone in the US to buy a copy and send it to you? Is your Wii modded so you can play US games?
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Of course it can play US games.

And you know, asking someone in the US to buy a copy and sending it to me? That's how I got the SW3 I have now in the first place; as a Christmas gift from my auntie. Too bad the warranty expired during the overseas trip. All along I got a crappy copy of the game.

I CAN buy it myself here if I want to, but it ain't cheap. I do have the money, but its tied up in other endeavors. Plus, my parents would be pissed off as hell if I get a different one. That's why I'm looking for cheaper alternatives, one that won't eat up my wallet.
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So I watched some Nobunaga stuff on Youtube. Nice to know what I'm missing, but it's still pretty sad and pathetic that I'm forced to sink this low. It wouldn't be a problem if I didn't have the game. But the fact is I do, and the copy sucks.

Now that I remember, I seem to recall that I'm not the only one that had SW3 disc errors. There's another guy on here that posted the same thing, but had entirely different errors. Was SW3 just transitioned badly onto the Wii disc? I call shenanigans.
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For those who have the Z version, are the starting characters same as in the normal version and you use rice to unlock the locked ones? I mean for example are Masanori, Aya and Gracia available at start since you know they are not in regular SW3.
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Aya, Masanori and Gracia are initially available but I can't remember rest of the characters. I'm pretty sure that they're the same as in Wii version. Could you post a list of them? That would certainly refresh my memory.
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Well characters who are intially available in regular SW3 Wii version (even though I don't own it I just remember them lol):

Yukimura
Nobunaga
Kenshin
Oichi
Hanzo
Kanetsugu
Ginchiyo
Kiyomasa
Kai
Hanbei

Thats 10 in total.
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Yep, SW3Z features the same roster + Aya, Masanori and Gracia.
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Another thing, do the former FMO characters (Katsuie, Toshiie, Okuni, Yoshimoto, Ranmaru, Noh, Kotaro) still cost 80 rice or is it 100 rice like with story characters?
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All characters cost 100 rice to unlock.
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Another thing, do the former FMO characters (Katsuie, Toshiie, Okuni, Yoshimoto, Ranmaru, Noh, Kotaro) still cost 80 rice or is it 100 rice like with story characters?
It makes sense for them to be 100 now since they have their own storylines now.
Personally I think theynhave reduced the power of Gracia, her special attacks used to be a helluva more powerful.
Masanori is average, and expect a lot of smashing the ground...his moveset is nothing great so nothing intriguing there.
Aya looks really weak until you see her firing 3 balls for each normal attack after the chain. Her musou I believe is the only that does a attack to break guard, then attacks. Her charge attacks are just broken. Especially her C9 (the last one) which is to fire several overpowered projectiles of death all around her. It wrecks every character who dares come close to this attack.
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It's understandable that they made Gracia slightly weaker, though. Her specials were so cheap in SW2XL but then again, they gave her pretty useless normal and charge attacks to balance her moveset. In SW3Z, they did make her Charge attacks slightly better but in turn, they made her specials less effective.

I also forgot to mention her mounted attacks. Like in 2XL, if you can't stand fightning on ground, just take a mount and kill everyone. Her fireballs pretty much insta kill everyone while mounted.

I've done 10 stories now and still got 30 go. Last one I cleared was Kanbei's. He was pretty fun character to use even though I hoped that he would have more demon hand attacks. Once you summon 4 crystal balls, everything dies. I was also lucky to get Slay weapon, Normal weight, 6 slots + 9 customization points, for him. Can't wait to level up that weapon.

However, I would like to know does SW3 hint in any way that he's a Christian? KOEI totally ignored that fact with Gracia so I'm curious to know if they did it with Kanbei as well. So far, the only religious hintI've been able to recognize is Muneshige's Musou Kaiden where he creates a huge white cross. Don't know if it's random or not, but as far as I remember, Muneshige's lord, Otomo Sorin, was a Christian.
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However, I would like to know does SW3 hint in any way that he's a Christian? KOEI totally ignored that fact with Gracia so I'm curious to know if they did it with Kanbei as well. So far, the only religious hintI've been able to recognize is Muneshige's Musou Kaiden where he creates a huge white cross. Don't know if it's random or not, but as far as I remember, Muneshige's lord, Otomo Sorin, was a Christian.
I think they only focuse on Gracia's religion in SW2XL. So far as I know Kanbei is not hinted at all to be christian.

Haha lol you make me remember Sengoku Basara 3 where Muneshige serves under Sorin the crazy baptist of Xavism, a piss-take of Christianity. Oh that was hilarous the convo's there.
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