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Can´t touch this...or better them...who´ll end up like that?
Oichi 2 (6.1%)
Hojo Ujimasa 8 (24.2%)
Fuuma Kotaro 0 (0%)
Matsunaga Hisahide 2 (6.1%)
Sarutobi Sasuke 1 (3%)
Katakura Kojuuro 0 (0%)
Miyamoto Musashi 0 (0%)
Maeda Toshiie 3 (9.1%)
Matsu 2 (6.1%)
Zabii 10 (30.3%)
Itsuki 5 (15.2%)
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Sengoku BASARA 3: Look, but can´t touch?; Playable characters...are non-playable!?
Topic Started: Sat Dec 5, 2009 7:56 pm (927 Views)
Matsunaga Hisahide
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We all knew deep down when we heard that Shingen is sick...some characters will end up as NPCs...and it´s confirmed.

I mean, I allready guessed that Kenshin might get that fate...but Kasuga too? :huh:

We know that Tokugawa Ieyasu, Honda Tadakatsu, Date Masamune, Sanada Yukimura, Maeda Keiji, Mouri Motonari, Chosokabe Motochika and Shimazu Yoshihiro are playable characters.

We know that Oda Nobunaga, Noh, Ranmaru, Akechi Mitsuhide, Azai Nagamasa and Imagawa Yoshimoto will not return in SB3.

We know that Uesugi Kenshin, Kasuga are NPCs and that Takeda Shingen is sick so he´ll probably end up the same. I guess at least 3 more characters will end up as NPCs, along with those we allready know of, so in total 6.

So we we allready know the fate of 18 characters.
And if we count in that Kobayashi said that Ieyasu´s story opens with Hideyoshi´s downfall, I´ll assume that Hideyoshi really is dead , along with Takenaka Hanbei. <_<

That leaves open the fates of 11 remaining characters.

Who is most likely to become a NPC? (pick the three most likely)
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Kratos Aurion
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Zabii doesn't really have any importance in the story and no unique interactions or rivalries, so it'd make sense for him, of all people, to be NPC.

Wait, I forgot this was BASARA. Nevermind.
Edited by Kratos Aurion, Sat Dec 5, 2009 8:06 pm.
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Wow I voted the same 3 as everyone else. Itsuki, Zabii, and Hojo Uijmasa. I doubt Kojuuro and Sasuke would be NPC's since they're the bodyguards of the main characters. Matsunaga HAS to be playable, and the other ones I can't see (Especially Kotaro and Musashi) as NPCs. I think Ichi is already dead too so...

Oh, I see someone just voted for the Maedas and Ichi.
Edited by Ultimate Legend, Sat Dec 5, 2009 8:14 pm.
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I guess this thread was inevitable. It's kind of a drag to talk about it, but here goes -_-

Well, as you said DK, when we first heard news of Shingen's illness and Hideyoshi's death, there was always that suspicion that they'll probably be NPCs... still, Kasuga took me by suprise. She played a pretty important part in the anime, has been there since the first game and is one of too few women. Now, I'm really starting to be nervous about the fate of a few characters. Hell, some may not even be NPCs and just be scrapped all together...

Anyway, with the most popular of the fictional character (Kasuga) now degraded to a NPC status, it doesn't really leave much hope for Zabii or Itsuki, does it. I'm also starting to think wether Toshiie will make it as well, he died before Sekigahara (though, this is BASARA, so that doesn't matter too much) and hes not one of the most popular characters...

I'm still wondering what lies in wait for Oichi as well... Koba was very vauge on his answer on wether she'll be in or not, so thats got me thinking. Hisahide really needs to be playable, and something is telling me he will. They could have easily made him a PC in Battle Heroes, but my guess is that they're were saving him for a proper BASARA game.

I'm guessing Hideyoshi and Hanbei won't be present, with the game being based on Hideyoshi's death and all (Sorry Ben :/ ). Matsu... I can't really guess. She is a women, and as its been stated many times, the game is in need of them, so I suppose she stands some chance. Shingens got an extremely high chance of being a NPC, for obvious reasons. Sasuke and Kojurou however are too essential to the fans, so I reckon thier in.

Kotaro is a fan fave and with his dissapearance in the anime, that leaves hope... As for Ujimasa, I suppose his time may have come.

Hmm, If I could only choose 3 who'll be degraded to NPC status, I'll go with the ones I think stand little chance: Shingen, Itsuki and Zabii...

EDIT: Okay, I didn't realise Shingen wasn't listed... I'll replace him with Ujimasa.
Edited by Manta Punk, Sat Dec 5, 2009 8:26 pm.
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I'm honestly hoping that Hanbei, even in spite of his "condition", may outlive Hideyoshi.

If nothing else, his son actually took part in Sekigahara, fighting, interestingly enough, on Ieyasu's side. And hell, if Motonari is here, and stands to do more to live out what his descendants did around this time frame, why not afford Hanbei the same thing?

But any way....I think the only thing I could safely say is that I don't believe Hojo will be here at all. The Hojo were wiped out by Sekigahara, which is the main reason why the Fuuma were a bunch of bandits by this point in time. So, I could imagine he and Kennyo both are doomed to also not appear in this installment.
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:OMG:

I forgot Kennyo...well...that says a lot...ain´t it? :mellow:

Well, now that I think about it...it seems that only characters that are REAAAALLY relevant to the story and setting of Sekigahara are in the game.

I mean, even if Motonari died long before the actual battle, he is the one to represent the Mori clan in it, since they had a rather huge part in all this.

But Shingen has Yukimura to represent the Takeda/Sanada and Kenshin has Kanetsugu Keiji to represent the Uesugi (and let´s be honest, if Kenshin´s not playable, what´s the use for his beautiful sword?)...that´s why it´s "enough" for them to be just NPCs in SB3.

So I think that the chances for at least Toshiie are pretty high to be playable, since the Maeda laos fought at Sekigahara and Keiji cut his ties with the Maeda army and joined Kenshin´s faction. Also Matsu had a huge part, even after Sekigahara and is one of the most inlufencal (at least in terms of actual importance) women in the sengoku period.

My biggest hope is that Fuuma Kotaro and Matsunaga Hisahide will join forces once again. I mean Kotaro is a silent killing machine and Hisahide is a cunning shrewd schemer. They are a splendid team and in times of chaos...those two could really pull some strings from behind and play the part of the secret evil force.

As for Ujimasa...I´d really like to see him in as a NPC, just like Zabii. Even though I like them, I´d rather see them becoming NPCs than Kojuuro or Sasuke.

That´s why I voted Zabii, Ujimasa...and Itsuki. You know I´m torn inside because Oichi holds more importance in my eyes, that´s why I think Oichi has more chances of being playable than Itsuki...but even though I´d like to see Itsuki back in a more grown up version...even more than a playable Oichi....I can´t get enough of ITSUKI-CHAN screaming fanboys :lol:

And Ben, you are right. I also mentioned that once. Hanbei´s son took part in Sekigahara, on Ieyasu´s side. As I said, maybe Hanbei fights for Ieyasu, cause even though he´s responsible for Hideyoshi´s death, Mitsunari´s actions hold no future. They don´t represent Hideyoshi´s dream of a united land in peace and that´s why he fights against Mitsunari. BUT...that´s just a small chance...I really want him in...but his chances, even being in as just a NPC, are really slim... :/
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The more I think about it, the more Hanbei's chances may not be as slim as we think. Details in the main topic! :hehe:

But any way, Fuuma and Matsunaga? Well, barring Fuuma doing more to go to the beat of his own drum, they already have a nice precedent of the two working together, so why not?

Plus, barring that Capcom actually goes forth to actually introduce a representative of the Ogasawara clan (who were actually related to the Miyoshi), they could just have Hisahide serve as the "catch-all" to represent all 3 groups that he could stand to be related to (his family, the Miyoshi and Ogasawara). They, like the Fuuma, opposed the Tokugawa in 1600, so who knows...?
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Kratos Aurion
Sat Dec 5, 2009 8:06 pm
Zabii doesn't really have any importance in the story and no unique interactions or rivalries, so it'd make sense for him, of all people, to be NPC.

Wait, I forgot this was BASARA. Nevermind.
You have summed up my opinions, word for word. - Zabii. I hate him :meantongue:
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This thread brings bad memories. I would pick Zabii
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Sun Dec 6, 2009 1:50 am
This thread brings bad memories. I would pick Zabii
The poll says to choose three not just one.
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Oichi I think is gone, because I think she is dead along with Nagamasa. I think Nobunaga killed her before he was killed. Sad fate really..... -_-
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Or they could have had her die with Katsuie historically. Either way, chances are she won't be in the game.
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Sun Dec 6, 2009 2:32 am
eklineage
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This thread brings bad memories. I would pick Zabii
The poll says to choose three not just one.
ye couldn't change it. The thought kinda skipped me lol.

Well... i guess hojo could be my next pic. My third could be... Fuuma?
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I know, I've made that mistake too in the past.
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Or they could have had her die with Katsuie historically. Either way, chances are she won't be in the game.
Well, I'm thinking that, since Koba has been so "coy" when it comes to Ichi, she may have a chance.

First, there's the aesthetic reasons. Voiced by HIGHLY favored voice actress, Mamiko Noto. One of few already existing female BASARA fatales, of which we've already endured two "cuts". Fairly interesting character, of which they spent a great deal of effort building up in HEROES, even to the point of giving the character her own "Image" song, with vocals.

That's a WHOLE lot to be tossing aside, for even a sequel that's doing some weird things. The increasingly antsy male fan base of BASARA would truly be hot with Koba, to the point that they may finally be like "You know what? **** this game!" and not buy it when it comes out, the rage-quit being due to Noto's character being cut. I don't think Ichi will be cut for those very reasons, alone.


And then there's possibilities of what they could do with her in SB3. After all..."This. Is. BASARA."(tm) :hehe:

Again, we've already seen a few examples of a character who's still around, even though they should be LONG dead. One of them (Motonari), is still playable and acting out the role of his descendants.

Short of any of Ichi's daughters being introduced, like ChaCha, they might as well have her play out a similar role that ChaCha could have had. Or something more original, since allegedly, you have multiple routes you can choose in story mode.

But in any case, I think Ichi is yet another character that may be likely to make it, more because of her fan-based significance, than possibly her historical one. Koba likely already knew that a number of the decisions that would be made would put him on thin ice with the fans. Something like Ichi being cut would send him plummeting in the ice....with cement shoes attached by the angry fan boys! :hehe:
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I still don't see why those characters can't be available in free mode. Hopefully he won't pull a SSF4 on us. Kobayashi is a fruit cake lol.
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Well...we won´t see a SSFVI...but a SSB3.

The Heroes expansion of Sengoku BASARA 2 worked out really well and I wouldn´t be dissapointed if they do something like that.

I mean, they´d probably bring back all the NPC characters/cut characters and other playable content.

And we wouldn´t even have to wait a year, since they allready have programmed all the NPCs and just have to make them playable. Heck, I wouldn´t even be surprised if they allready programmed all the cut characters with the new engine.

And SB3 shapes out to be a game that keeps us interested for long. So another game, after "such a short time", would keep me even longer in the BASARA-verse.

Even though they aren´t my favourite characters, I can´t wait to see the full movesets of Ujimasa and Yoshimoto, even a re-vamped Kennyo wouldn´t be bad. Also the tweaked movesets of Mitsuhide, Nagamasa and Hideyoshi...I´d pay any price for that. And all the other cut characters/NPCs would feel, like "new" characters, after such a "long break". :ph43r:
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Agreed.

I've stated in the main thread that if this game is sort of a stepping stone for them to get comfortable with the hardware and will lead to better places, such as a Heroes expansion with all NPCs turned PCs, then I'm all for it. I hope it doesn't turn out like DW6, by after several attemps at expansion packs, they still haven't got it right :/

Well, LOL at Zabii's results. Either people think he has too little chance to make it or they just blatantly don't want him in. Anyway, I forgot to give my thoughts on Musashi. I reckon if Kojiro doesn't make it, they should degrade Musashi to a NPC and use his space for a more worthier character. Now, if Kojiro has indeed made the cut, this is Musashi's time to shine, hopefully with a full move set. Its about time the little runt got a real rival and deepened story...
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I haven´t commented on Musashi as well...

Since in my eyes, turning him into a NPC, in a situation like this...is just plain stupid.

Sekigahara was his first real battle AND his first real loss. I mean it was a total defeat for him and it made him change his way (okay, more things happnened, but it was the starting point of his "true way" and thus his career)

And Kojiro is a famous swordsman too...adding the most famous swordsmen to a game about japanese wars, samurais, etc, is a decision that´s more than understandable. (BTW is Sasaki Kojiro somehow related to the Sasaki clan? Couldn´t find anything about it) :huh:

Also I´d like to see their epic duel in a BASARA-style version. :cool:

Now that I thought about it, SB2 was released in July and the Heroes version of it was released late December the same year...and now SB3 is released in summer 2010...which could mean July... :ph43r:
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Well...we won´t see a SSFVI...but a SSB3.

The Heroes expansion of Sengoku BASARA 2 worked out really well and I wouldn´t be dissapointed if they do something like that.

I mean, they´d probably bring back all the NPC characters/cut characters and other playable content.

And we wouldn´t even have to wait a year, since they allready have programmed all the NPCs and just have to make them playable. Heck, I wouldn´t even be surprised if they allready programmed all the cut characters with the new engine.

And SB3 shapes out to be a game that keeps us interested for long. So another game, after "such a short time", would keep me even longer in the BASARA-verse.

Even though they aren´t my favourite characters, I can´t wait to see the full movesets of Ujimasa and Yoshimoto, even a re-vamped Kennyo wouldn´t be bad. Also the tweaked movesets of Mitsuhide, Nagamasa and Hideyoshi...I´d pay any price for that. And all the other cut characters/NPCs would feel, like "new" characters, after such a "long break". :ph43r:
SSF4 is a standalone game... which screwed over ppl who bought SF4. I wouldn't mind Koba delay the game to add in all the characters. I would definitely like to buy SB3 only once.
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Sun Dec 6, 2009 11:41 am
Well...we won´t see a SSFVI...but a SSB3.

The Heroes expansion of Sengoku BASARA 2 worked out really well and I wouldn´t be dissapointed if they do something like that.

I mean, they´d probably bring back all the NPC characters/cut characters and other playable content.

And we wouldn´t even have to wait a year, since they allready have programmed all the NPCs and just have to make them playable. Heck, I wouldn´t even be surprised if they allready programmed all the cut characters with the new engine.

And SB3 shapes out to be a game that keeps us interested for long. So another game, after "such a short time", would keep me even longer in the BASARA-verse.

Even though they aren´t my favourite characters, I can´t wait to see the full movesets of Ujimasa and Yoshimoto, even a re-vamped Kennyo wouldn´t be bad. Also the tweaked movesets of Mitsuhide, Nagamasa and Hideyoshi...I´d pay any price for that. And all the other cut characters/NPCs would feel, like "new" characters, after such a "long break". :ph43r:
SSF4 is a standalone game... which screwed over ppl who bought SF4. I wouldn't mind Koba delay the game to add in all the characters. I would definitely like to buy SB3 only once.
I'm sorry, man, but in the end, business is business. And if you've grew up playing Capcom games, in any respect, this much shouldn't be new. And the only ones really belly-aching about it are the more casual gamers any way. For most everybody else, "it is what it is." Because after all, it's not slavery if you're getting what you want, right?

I expected "updates" of SF4 and Tatsunoko vs. Capcom the moment the games were released. Precedents for such things existed in the past, and it would have been truly something else if Capcom didn't do much like they did with all of the "Champion Editions", "Turbos" and various Mega Man sequels back in the day. In short, Capcom is as predictable as a sunrise, in this area. :hehe:

BASARA represents yet another series that Capom has been ready and willing to exercise in such a way. They know that Koei got away with bloody murder during the PS2 era, and obviously, Capcom was not about to let some one else get away with a practice that they practically made into an art form back in the 90s.

So, honestly? You're barking up the WRONG kind of tree, if you really think Capcom is going to be any different from Koei in this area. Again, keep in mind that this is how Capcom has operated since their days as an Arcade developer in the 80s and 90s. What makes you think they're going to really change the game now? :whistle:
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