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The daughter of Mitsuhide. Would she be a good addition?
Great Addition! If Capcom does not include the Lady Gracia, let them be accused, O Lord Come AMEN! 17 (47.2%)
Not too bad. Just don't make her a loli. We've had that share from KOEI. 14 (38.9%)
Stay out of it. Let BASARA be a sausage-fest like usual! (Signed, fujoshis) 5 (13.9%)
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Discuss the character NG: Gracia; Christian daughter of the sadistic reaper
Topic Started: Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:38 am (1,853 Views)
ChrisX
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And here we are discussing another character. Yet another female character...

I would say that Gracia has a very good chance to appear in SB3. The timing is just about right for her. Other than being Mitsuhide's daughter, her other big tale happens in Sekigahara and it involves Mitsunari. So I'd say if that comment about Hayami Sho 'making a return', while Mitsuhide is dead, it'd be about Gracia being included.

Her design and personality is left to anyone's guess, but she'd swing between these:
1. Gracious, sweet polite lady who's completely the opposite of her father.
2. Goth loli with both light and dark around her.
3. Similarly sadistic person.

Discuss how you hope Capcom get Gracia in, if they even bother. Which I think is pretty high. Remember what happened to Kennyo?

SW2 removed him, SB2 added him.
SW3 removed Gracia. SB3 might add her as a TAKE THAT to Koei...
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I admit I'm completly and entirely scared when it comes to this character, thus I don't want her in.

I think there are enough alternates to put in instead.
If Capcom really wanted to convert me over to like SB MORE than SW and not equal as it's about now, they should would have to pick a character I seriously doubt they have even considered at this point: Yukimura's brother. Or his father.

And from what I've seen so far of the new woman, I'm not really impressed. :\
It's probably because Magoichi-she reminds me too much of Ash/Lightning from FFXII and FFXIII - perhaps this will change when I actually get to play her.
The new girl... well, she is about as tempting as the white haired one from the first game (what-is-her-name-again) was. Zero.
Again this might change when I play her, but as for now... *shrugs*

If they do put her in, it won't change me wanting to buy the game.
Unless I need to hear her whine in a girlish-voice in almost each stage, which I also doubt ;)
And no more loli. Please.
If they do her, I'd like her to be a female character I can respect. Like Ina and Ginchiyo from SW.
In fact I'd rather see her as a sadistic b*tch than something sugar-cany like again.
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ChrisX
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Erm... I didn't imply she'd be a loli, right? Personally, with the addition of Tsuru as our resident loli, if Gracia is in, I expect her to be a fully grown woman. Just that so many in the main topic mentioned her being goth loli, so I just had to put it up. Doesn't mean I want her as a loli though.

... A typical 'Yamato Nadeshiko' won't do you good enough?
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Kiheiji
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I'll choose #2, since 1 is a little too extreme to me and I'm sure as hell won't pick #3.

I actually imagine her to be somehow like Oichi, but maybe a little less melancholic and a little more nuts.

BTW, there are two who voted for #3. Wonder who they are.
Edited by Kiheiji, Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:21 pm.
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Ultimate Legend
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I choose Option 2. Really indifferent on her. If she's not in, whatever. If she's as good as Mitsuhide was, I'll probably enjoy her.

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Claus
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I only want her in if she takes on some traits of Mitsuhide and thus becomes an actually interesting character, if we get a second Tsuru just with some religion i'll be dissapointed.

So unless she is something different, new, and interesting, stay out and let us see a different female.
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Nine Demons Yoshitaka
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I agree with Xanxus. Simply the fact of seeing the daughter of *that* Mitsuhide is interesting enough...they could do great things with her personality, and I'm very much looking forward to it.

I hope they conveniently forget the whole Christian thing though...don't see how that would work....
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Ouelis
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I agree with Xanxus and NDY as well. Personally I hope that if Gracia indeed will be gracing us with her presence(see what I did there?) that she is a chip of the old block.
Edited by Ouelis, Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:03 pm.
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Ryoreiki
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I'm pretty much begging for her addition in at least one of the two games (SW3 and SB3)

If she is included in SB3, I see her being a young girl with a calm Christian nature, but since her father is evil, she could have some sadistic demon haunting her mind. Think Zappa from Guilty Gear, but not to the point where it controls her completely like Zappa.

The weapon she could have? Wow! I do not know. A magical staff is good.
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FatalxInnocence
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I'd love to see her in SB! for her weapon, I'd give her a pair of sai! Hasn't been done in a hack and slash game yet I don't think.
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Mibu Kyoshiro
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Awesome!
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...Full grown woman,a little melancholic like her mama,putting on a good face like her papa and when there's a chance,WHAM!Full-on sadist mode with a maniacal laugh...oh.And as for looks...like her mother but with a pale complexion and white stripes in her hair. :sly:

Weapon : ...Anything is good for her...perhaps something to sadistically hack'n'slash.Or a proper whip. :blink:
Edited by Mibu Kyoshiro, Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:01 am.
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Kiheiji
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Her mama? Hiroko-hime?

You might mistaken her to Chacha.
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Mibu Kyoshiro
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^Chacha?[...Is she Motochika's wife?]

I thought Gracia was the result of Mitsuhide r*censored*ing Oichi?If I'm wrong,a confirmation would be very welcome as I couldn't find anything on samuraiwiki,samurai archives or wiki.And I still don't remeber where I read it...
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Ryoreiki
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Okay, so how should I implement this character for the anime itself, and possibly the games.

Appearance: Definitely young, but I'm not sure if she'll be an adolescent (16-17), or a pre-teen (10-13). I see many comparisons to her father; white long hair, unique, and somewhat pale, skin color, but what should make her different in appearance is her eyes, which should be either blue, or green. I picture blue, because its represents calmness. Her outfit should compare to a nun with a Japanese flare. I'm thinking a hooded robe suits her as well. The color scheme has to have overall white. I'm thinking the Akechi family emblem (a flower) can be painted onto her forehead in deep red.

Fighting: This was a difficult one. Magic definitely, but since she is a Christian, she can't fight and kill. I thought of this idea of her having "protectors" who compare to those "stereotypical" ghosts; they have a white blanket covering their entire face and body, and they float instead of walk when she summons them. Her weapon could be a magical card, or paper with Japanese text saying "Forgive me" in Kanji, because she is causing all of this magic and the magic itself is killing people (pretty comical, I think).

Personality: Her personality should differ greatly from her father's. Calm in nature, and very lighthearted. She is quite the greatest role model. She'll admit when she's wrong, which can be a flaw of hers. Her voice over should be calm as well.

Story: We can assume that she has barely seen much of her father at all. Since Mitsuhide Akechi is known to be quite the enemy, people target those who are affiliated with him, including her, and their job is to hunt her and kill her down. Later on, she'll meet Tadaoki, and the story towards her death goes from there, but that's if he appears as well. Also, if "Tenkai" appears, she'll encounter her father once again, and fight him.
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alilsketchy
Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:27 am
Okay, so how should I implement this character for the anime itself, and possibly the games.

Appearance: Definitely young, but I'm not sure if she'll be an adolescent (16-17), or a pre-teen (10-13). I see many comparisons to her father; white long hair, unique, and somewhat pale, skin color, but what should make her different in appearance is her eyes, which should be either blue, or green. I picture blue, because its represents calmness. Her outfit should compare to a nun with a Japanese flare. I'm thinking a hooded robe suits her as well. The color scheme has to have overall white. I'm thinking the Akechi family emblem (a flower) can be painted onto her forehead in deep red.

Fighting: This was a difficult one. Magic definitely, but since she is a Christian, she can't fight and kill. I thought of this idea of her having "protectors" who compare to those "stereotypical" ghosts; they have a white blanket covering their entire face and body, and they float instead of walk when she summons them. Her weapon could be a magical card, or paper with Japanese text saying "Forgive me" in Kanji, because she is causing all of this magic and the magic itself is killing people (pretty comical, I think).

Personality: Her personality should differ greatly from her father's. Calm in nature, and very lighthearted. She is quite the greatest role model. She'll admit when she's wrong, which can be a flaw of hers. Her voice over should be calm as well.

Story: We can assume that she has barely seen much of her father at all. Since Mitsuhide Akechi is known to be quite the enemy, people target those who are affiliated with him, including her, and their job is to hunt her and kill her down. Later on, she'll meet Tadaoki, and the story towards her death goes from there, but that's if he appears as well. Also, if "Tenkai" appears, she'll encounter her father once again, and fight him.
your idea for her sounds pretty interesting.
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ShadowThanatos
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Her weapon should be a Violin.
Normally, she would use the bow (I don't know how to call it) as a blade to attack.
When she uses special skills, she will draw the bow across the string, sonic wave will blast the enemy.

If she is angelic, beautiful sound will be produced, otherwise, something creepy will.
Edited by ShadowThanatos, Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:59 pm.
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Claus
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Well, she is one of my favourite historical figures, and my favourite Sengoku Female. I've never been impressed by any of her interpretations, nor do I think they present her with much justice. Making her some nice Christien who does nothing but good things would jut be a bore, especially when you look at her father. But makeing her just a psychopath wouldn't be interesting at all either.

I honestly have no Ideas on what to do with her, but if she ever does get in (I hope she does) so long as she is interestng, entertaining and fun to play as, I'll be more than happy.
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My general idea about her is a twist on the usual "Ojou-sama" archetype, with all the "ara-ara" and "ooohohohohoho" laughs, seeing how it hasn't been used in the series yet. She's well-mannered, noble and a bit naive, but that's just a facade that hides her father's psychotic nature. More than everything there is in the world, she enjoys killing people, and while she's not killing anyone, she just keeps her cool and finds other ways to enjoy life. A good way to illustrate that would be keeping her eyes closed all the time except for when she goes berserk. Her links to Christianity may be represented by her Western-like clothes and Engrish skills, similar to Masamune or Zabii's cult. Actually, seeing that the latter are basically the only representatives of Christianity in the whole series, she may have some connections with them, for example, using her noble lineage for work as a double agent of the Cult or having some kind of a gun as her weapon. A violin would indeed work fine, too - actually, you may combine both of those ideas and have the violin transform into firearms, maybe a crossbow. Maybe a contrabass would fit that a bit better, seeing that its size allows for more hidden weapons and ridiculous transformation potential. Another way to represent her Christian beliefs is to make her drive a kind of twisted Christian dogma, believing that everyone she kills are sinners who should burn in Hell (like a mix of her father and Nagamasa). Yeah, that's about it, sounds pretty damn fine and interesting, if you ask me.

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Edited by SingerOfW, Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:37 pm.
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ShadowThanatos
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^: :)
But really, Basara need more musical instrument as weapons. I have always been in love with musical instrument like in DW and SW.
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Ryoreiki
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ShadowThanatos
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^: :)
But really, Basara need more musical instrument as weapons. I have always been in love with musical instrument like in DW and SW.
Eh, I don't think a violin suits her. If anybody a musical instrument would suite Okuni if she were to appear.
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I don't have much of any experience with this series, but I know it's flashy, over-the-top dramatics, so...yeah.

Why not have Gracia be a rather meek young woman (her father doesn't look all the meaty-manliness, anyhow) that carries a gigantic cross that she uses as a blunt beating tool.

Priests, back in the day, couldn't draw blood, so they used blunt tools to force internal bleeding. I see Gracia taking pleasure in such painful beat-downs, lending herself more toward sadistic torture (that she'd never admit to, of course) than defeating her enemies in bloody combat.

She passes off as a pleasant, seemingly useless girl, and when your back is turned, she beats you half to death before playing with your hemorrhaging corpse.
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