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Really as bad as the review?; Discuss
Topic Started: Sun Jul 4, 2010 12:29 am (1,152 Views)
XMiss_InaX
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i saw a review on this game saying that they tried to copy another game and failed... :( also they said they give it a 4/10 i dont think it would be that bad but my xbox 360 is broken but i dont know so what do yhoo think????? XX
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Don't listen to that review it's probably an Anti-Koeist that just hates on the game and probably only tried it for a short while so they couldn't get deep enough into the improvements.

The PSP version had it's flaws and didn't particularly sell too well but it had some new features which are these:

Dashing which makes getting across the battlefield quicker

Air combat which makes the movesets slightly longer.

Floating in mid air which makes getting over hard parts of an area easier

Over 200 weapons which is the most weapons seen in a Warriors game

Each character has 4 outfits even though they are just pallete swaps the fury froms will have 4 different colours

2 Weapon slots for each character the first Slot is for the characters main weapon that can only be changed if it's in the same category and the second slot is for any weapon the character is able to equip.

Huang Zhong and Xiahou Yuan are decloned and given a brand new bow moveset which they both share making this DW6 type game have the most decloned characters.

A City which has various features such as a blacksmith for weapons and a store where you can buy itiems to use in battle.

Chi Skills which can be equipped to your character making them stronger and giveng them new abilities.

Orbs which can be equipped to your weapons which increase the weapons strength and can affect what happens when you use it in battle

the Xbox 360 and PS3 Versions had impovements from the PSP version which are:

Meng Huo added in bringing the character roster up 1 to 42 characters

A Fortune teller is added who can increase one of your stats and change your characters Chi Type Temporarily

Weapon strenthening is available at the blacksmith which can make some characters weapons attack go up to mid 500's unlike in the PSP version where they could only go up to mid 300's

Online play where the characters each have 8 emotes they can use to interact with other characters and can join in battles with or against each other which makes this the first fully online KOEI game outside of Japan.

If you ask me this game is definately something worth getting KOEI definately got it right when they finally gave us online play but some of us are hoping for the sequal to come out which hasbeen out in Japan for months now.
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Don't listen to the reviews. I've played a lot of Warriors-games, and I've loved them all! Just go out and try the demo that's on Xbox Live Marketplace and the PlayStation Network. It'll give you a little taste of what to expect.
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A professional review is a guideline for serious gamers to compare games with others in the current time.

All the current DW games just don't cut it. The graphics are poor, the AI is horribly idiotic and it's repetitive as hell.

The reason why we fans play, is because we just like this game. We admire the work that has been done to create this game, and we love playing it, dispite that it's a poor game from what it could be when a lot more effort could of been put in.
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Sun Jul 4, 2010 2:57 pm
A professional review is a guideline for serious gamers to compare games with others in the current time.

All the current DW games just don't cut it. The graphics are poor, the AI is horribly idiotic and it's repetitive as hell.

The reason why we fans play, is because we just like this game. We admire the work that has been done to create this game, and we love playing it, dispite that it's a poor game from what it could be when a lot more effort could of been put in.
Even "professional" reviews aren't professional. I cite IGN for this obvious fact. Never take a review for granted. The only way to see if a game is good for you is to go out and rent it or download a demo on PSN or Xbox Live. Plus, many critics have rated DW: Strikeforce moderately, in the 6 to 7 range most of the time. This is because they have actually begun to acknowledge that Koei did something right.
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strategist_jeffo
Sun Jul 4, 2010 2:57 pm
A professional review is a guideline for serious gamers to compare games with others in the current time.

All the current DW games just don't cut it. The graphics are poor, the AI is horribly idiotic and it's repetitive as hell.

The reason why we fans play, is because we just like this game. We admire the work that has been done to create this game, and we love playing it, dispite that it's a poor game from what it could be when a lot more effort could of been put in.
Even "professional" reviews aren't professional.
It's their job (read: profession) to do so.

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I cite IGN for this obvious fact. Never take a review for granted. The only way to see if a game is good for you is to go out and rent it or download a demo on PSN or Xbox Live.

And why would you take it for granted? It's the opinion of the modern reviewer which you could consider before getting a game. Without trying to be biased and already have developped a fanbase for a game, try to stay sober and stay in reality, then judge about the flaws and critical points of a game. Many people here on this forum (And not only for the KOEI games) have already grown such a bias on the games, that they rate it a 9-10 out of 10 because they are mentally unable to stay sober.

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Plus, many critics have rated DW: Strikeforce moderately, in the 6 to 7 range most of the time. This is because they have actually begun to acknowledge that Koei did something right.

Dynasty Warriors has always been a mediocre game, ranging from 5-6 and sometimes a 7.

Don't get me wrong, Strikeforce was a new and refreshing idea, but it's nothing more than a pumped up version of a mediocre game in the eyes of a realist and an analist.
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Qilin
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Love Koei :D
Love Dynasty Warriors :)
Hates Strikeforce...
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Sun Jul 4, 2010 8:17 pm
Love Koei :D
Love Dynasty Warriors :)
Hates Strikeforce...
Really? Why do you hate Strikeforce?

I'm guessing that some don't like Strikeforce because its either "just another DW game" OR it isn't the same DW3-DW6 that they're used to.

Many fans of the series have been IGNoring the reviews anyway, so I don't think its as bad as they say.

It isn't GOTY material :lol: but it isn't the worst game out there.
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XMiss_InaX
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yeah yhoor probs right my brother bought the magazine because i missed it because i wass skiing in italy with my school and it was probz 1:30 and i was at a pub sooo... and i didnt believe him then he showed me it i was like oh :( :O and it is absoulatly chuckin the rain down with thunder and lighting and its the middle of summer lool XD and im goin cinema lool im goin to be soaked!!! X D
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This goes for every review of any game...

As good as the review?.. No.. as bad as the review?.. No

It all depends on what you think about it, and not what anyone else thinks...
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XMiss_InaX
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but isnt that what reviews are for telling people what the game is like??
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No, reviews are nothing but opinions.. You cant tell someone if they will like it or not.. they can only share the game.. and the best way to do that is gameplay vids and hands on sessions... reviews mean nothing..

Not everyone is the same and most reviewers dont even play the gyame for more then an hour... and if they dont like the type of game it its, the rip it apart half the time getting there facts wrong.. pretty much like these games..
Edited by Joetri10, Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:53 pm.
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Joetri, the reasons reviewers have these jobs, is that they can put a grade on a game based on the current generation of games. Dynasty Warriors 4 nearly scored an 8/10 in that time, but due to graphics were hardly changed much, gameplay remained the same and only a few changes in the options and stages, it stayed a little in time. This generation is demanding technological and graphic wise, and KOEI just doesn't seem to go there.

Sure, you are right about the way you can judge about a game, but the reviewers say if it's a game with the current possible standards. It is something you could take into consideration.
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hm... I guess.. However graphics and what system its on does not make a game... if dw4 got 8/10 i don’t understand why every other warrior game doesnt get that, as its pretty much the same game.. But OHHH wait.. that’s the problem, its to similar so they give it a bad rating and just name it "another one of those hack ad slash games".. I wish people wouldn’t get paid for being a reviewer.

Not everyone are graphics wh*res -_-

Maybe im coming off to bluntly, but its just my opinion on the matter...

a good example of common idiocy are shooting games like halo which continue to use the same game play formula and yet add new guns and up the graphics... and these games get praised.. now the only difference between that and the warrior games are the graphics are not improved as much... which brings me back to my main comment.. graphics do not make a game, or at least they shouldn’t... after all, alot of the members on here prefer the older games...

reviews are always based on what type of game it is, how well known it is and how fantastically amazing the graphics are :/

then and only then is the gameplay talked about.. and only barely.. it depends on what the reviewer likes.
Edited by Joetri10, Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:45 pm.
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XMiss_InaX
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wonder what dw3 got lool XD whats the highest rated warriors game ??
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XinaX
Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:47 am
wonder what dw3 got lool XD whats the highest rated warriors game ??
Dynasty Warriors 4 is the highest rated, with 7.8/10. DW3 was not too far away, I believe 7.6 or something.

Joetri10
 
i don’t understand why every other warrior game doesnt get that, as its pretty much the same game.. But OHHH wait.. that’s the problem, its to similar so they give it a bad rating and just name it "another one of those hack ad slash games"..
That is the problem. Technology improves, the game doesn't improve, so the grades get lower by the game based on what is capable of being done. You wouldn't see those old Zelda games getting high 9/10's now, since it's old technology.
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Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:52 am
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i don’t understand why every other warrior game doesnt get that, as its pretty much the same game.. But OHHH wait.. that’s the problem, its to similar so they give it a bad rating and just name it "another one of those hack ad slash games"..
That is the problem. Technology improves, the game doesn't improve, so the grades get lower by the game based on what is capable of being done. You wouldn't see those old Zelda games getting high 9/10's now, since it's old technology.
Thats a poor choice of game to choose as as example.. As everyone pretty much knows oot is one of the best games ever made :mellow: ..


But i guess, if all reviews are going be based on how up to date everything is, then why bother... <_<
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yeah but the game has been devoleped alot but the earlier games have higher ratings?? :)
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Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:30 pm
yeah but the game has been devoleped alot but the earlier games have higher ratings?? :)
That's because technology wasn't so very far developped as now. Games on the (very) old consoles didn't have great graphics, since it was the start of the age. Next to that, the older games had a huge amount of playtime, and the stories were great.

Because technology keeps improving, you can't remain on the old styles. Your games will be stamped 'outdated' if you don't improve.

But, having outdated games can still be enjoyable to play as. You don't see mee quit Dynasty/Samurai Warriors just because the graphics are outdated and the system hardly changes.
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haha what was the reason for the low rating in the first place then? :)
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Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:51 pm
haha what was the reason for the low rating in the first place then? :)
You don't seem to understand. But I'll tell you one last time.

Dynasty/Samurai Warriors is low rated because:
- The graphics are outdated
- The system hardly changes
- It is too repetitive, same things happen all the time on every battle.
- The AI is incredibly stupid.

The only catagory that scores alright in the Dynasty/Samurai Warriors games, is the music.
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If we are talking about stuff like this anyway..

Sw3's graphics are perfect for the wii... unless you want everything to be overly shiny and cute, which seems to be the way Nintendo likes it..

and dw6 graphics are amazing tbh... not everything can be like cod or w/e.... those graphics are being pushed to the edge because that’s all its got...

the gameplay system from dw2 - 5 has actually changed ALOT, not to mention the weapon system.. and dw6 and its strikeforce counterpart is amazing in both graphics and gameplay.. You can’t tell me dw5 plays just like dw2 and dw6 plays like all the rest... and of course the same thing happens in every game.. Its based of history!!! (or novel based of history anyway.. ) And anyway... all you do in shooting games is shoot.. all you do in racing games is race.. and so on..

The warrior titles are perfectly suitable and relevant games for this age.. They are works in progress... If you play every game back to back, you will see how truly different each game is...

And anyway -_- ... These games are huge in japan..
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You are right in some aspects, but it misses depth:

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Sw3's graphics are perfect for the wii... unless you want everything to be overly shiny and cute, which seems to be the way Nintendo likes it..
Agreed, the Wii isn't so very powerful, so this isn't so bad.

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and dw6 graphics are amazing tbh... not everything can be like cod or w/e.... those graphics are being pushed to the edge because that’s all its got...
The step to Next Gen was big, compared what we've had on DW5. But, that still doesn't take away that bodies ghostly disappear, the soldiers have the same death animation, towers turn into a 'See through' version when collapsing and the arrows in the game look like laser beams at times. This falls all under graphics.

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the gameplay system from dw2 - 5 has actually changed ALOT, not to mention the weapon system
I haven't played DW2, but:

DW3: Pick up a box that contains a weapon, you get to pick one of each type at the end of the stage
DW4: Gain Weapon Experience, so your weapon will level up and evolve.
DW5: Pick up a box that contains a weapon, you can keep MAX. 4 weapons. (Added weight and evolve chain)
DW6: Pick up a box that contains a weapon, you can keep 8

They changed to a very nifty unique system, then downgraded it back to the old system, followed by saving 4 more.

DW6 is also an exception, since the weapons and moves were different. But there were only 3 fixed types of weapons. The attributes on the weapons were fine, though.

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and dw6 and its strikeforce counterpart is amazing in both graphics and gameplay
There wasn't much happening on the DW6 maps, aside from a very few specific ones. The opponent always has the upperhand no matter which side you pick, there were no real missions, just objectives you could possibly do for a reward. Some had influence, but the majority could be skipped, seeing it didn't influence anything at all.

DW:SF only had one route, really. You go from zone to zone, beat the officers you come across and kill the commander in the end. No real missions. The thing that gives strikeforce a better gameplay, is that you can roam around in cities, buying/upgrading skills and weapons. The fact you could use use your Fury also helped a tad, although you never really need it if you have some skills.

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You can’t tell me dw5 plays just like dw2 and dw6 plays like all the rest...
No, I can't. Those minor changes hopping from game to game, makes sure DW5 isn't comparable with DW2. I know DW2 only has 4 attacks with a few charges. DW3 upgraded it to 6 attacks, and it remained the same in DW4. DW5 added the evolutional moves when the Musou Gauge is full, and it lost the directional fighting. Other than that, nothing move wise. It just evolved upward.

And you know just as well as I, that DW6 has a complete different moveset system.

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and of course the same thing happens in every game.. Its based of history!!! (or novel based of history anyway.. ) And anyway... all you do in shooting games is shoot.. all you do in racing games is race.. and so on..
Being historical doesn't mean it HAS to run like it used to do? If so, you should be losing in certain battles you participate in, so that doesn't make any sense.

What would be more better, is that killing officers, walking in another direction, ignoring missions, should open new paths. Like chains in a mission. SW1(XL) had those, it was brilliant. Lately, it's more like:

Kill this officer!
Wether you kill or not kill him, the missions will follow a set order, and will be activated anyways (Unless the officer influenced is killed, then nothing further will happen than just a frontal attack).

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If you play every game back to back, you will see how truly different each game is...
That still does not take away that the games are outdated compared what can be made with the current technology.
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The only flaw i'm finding with the game is that some the boss fights are EXTREMELY difficult, and that's just the first few levels i'm playing :facepalm:
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