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Sengoku Musou 3 Z; Release date confirmed, scans inside
Topic Started: Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:17 pm (189,772 Views)
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And thats a major thing for Koei to consider. If Koei is going to be smart about this, they'll make SW3Z the same price as XL, in the end it would definitely get them more sales for it. Sadly I don't think they'll take that route though, they'll probably charge full price. Even just making this game the same price as XL in the NA and Europe would be a great idea, an would probably result in more profit, but we'll just have to wait and see what they do.
And that's the main reason I don't see this game being released in the West. In order to do so, Koei would have to "settle" for selling the PS3 version (and possibly a 360 version) in Western territories at a loss, by reducing the price.

This is the same company who wasn't willing to abide to SCEA's "suggestion" to do such with Orochi Z. So I don't place much hope that Koei will change their mind this time around either.

Besides, Koei will have enough on their plates localizing the likes of Trinity, DW7 and Gundam 3 for Western audiences, all within the span of the next few months. Within due time, SW3 will be certified "old news" for all but a small majority, as the rest will likely have found something else to play.
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I wonder if the same could be said for 3XL then. They could likely price it at around $30.
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XL is something different, since it's an expansion disc that can be marketed in the same way that its predecessors were. Not to mention that if Nintendo does indeed hold the publishing rights to the SW3 English, I'm sure Koei could get their help again.
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Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:38 am
And thats a major thing for Koei to consider. If Koei is going to be smart about this, they'll make SW3Z the same price as XL, in the end it would definitely get them more sales for it. Sadly I don't think they'll take that route though, they'll probably charge full price. Even just making this game the same price as XL in the NA and Europe would be a great idea, an would probably result in more profit, but we'll just have to wait and see what they do.
And that's the main reason I don't see this game being released in the West. In order to do so, Koei would have to "settle" for selling the PS3 version (and possibly a 360 version) in Western territories at a loss, by reducing the price.

This is the same company who wasn't willing to abide to SCEA's "suggestion" to do such with Orochi Z. So I don't place much hope that Koei will change their mind this time around either.

Besides, Koei will have enough on their plates localizing the likes of Trinity, DW7 and Gundam 3 for Western audiences, all within the span of the next few months. Within due time, SW3 will be certified "old news" for all but a small majority, as the rest will likely have found something else to play.
Yeah this is what I worry about. MOZ got declined to come to NA cuz of stupid SCEA standards or something. Sony America didnt want it. Dont know what happend in Europe
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Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:07 am
Yeah this is what I worry about. MOZ got declined to come to NA cuz of stupid SCEA standards or something. Sony America didnt want it. Dont know what happend in Europe
What (allegedly) happened was something close to this:

SCEA was not willing to allow Koei to release MOZ in the US for full price. To them, MOZ was basically a port/collection of older games, and deserved to be priced as such. Koei was not willing to play that game, and so, that's why MOZ stayed in Japan.

Of course, it would seem that Koei already gone through the effort of finishing the localization necessary for Z, as whatever we were supposed to get in Z ended up in the PSP port of WO2. Small compromise, I guess...
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I think MOZ was considered that because MO1 and MO2 had seen their release on PS2, a PREVIOUS GENERATION console. Thus they see it that it's more like a collection of a game ALREADY in their books.

SW3, however, has never been a Sony game at all, it remained to Nintendo until now. So probably, they may view this as a full game for now, and SCEA may be more lenient for now.

I hope.
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Not only that, the two Orochi games were still recent and very common and easy to find. They were hardly old material. Simply jazzing up the graphics and adding a few minor things really only would have had the super hardcore musou fans buying.


But I don't see SW3 Z coming out here period. Really it just doesn't seem that worth it in the bigger bigcture. Boohoo, get over it, PS3 is region free. :whistle:
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Funny that Sony America was against it but today they're openly advocating 'HD' versions of old games. Some of which don't even have anything new but the Graphics.
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Most of the games getting these new HD ports right now are quite a bit old (seriously, Orochi Z came out what, a YEAR after 2?), harder to find in good condition (I've heard this a lot about Sly Cooper, not so much GOW) and were well received top sellers and highly critically acclaimed. Also, Sony original IPs.
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HokutoNoBen
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Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:38 am
And thats a major thing for Koei to consider. If Koei is going to be smart about this, they'll make SW3Z the same price as XL, in the end it would definitely get them more sales for it. Sadly I don't think they'll take that route though, they'll probably charge full price. Even just making this game the same price as XL in the NA and Europe would be a great idea, an would probably result in more profit, but we'll just have to wait and see what they do.
And that's the main reason I don't see this game being released in the West. In order to do so, Koei would have to "settle" for selling the PS3 version (and possibly a 360 version) in Western territories at a loss, by reducing the price.

This is the same company who wasn't willing to abide to SCEA's "suggestion" to do such with Orochi Z. So I don't place much hope that Koei will change their mind this time around either.

Besides, Koei will have enough on their plates localizing the likes of Trinity, DW7 and Gundam 3 for Western audiences, all within the span of the next few months. Within due time, SW3 will be certified "old news" for all but a small majority, as the rest will likely have found something else to play.
Fair enough. I'm not expecting it to come overseas anyway. Like you said, they've got a lot of localisation to do at the same time, SW3Z will likely take the backseat and just be forgotten. Oh well, in time for SW4 there will just be twice the amount of new characters for me to play as Posted Image
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Technically all they need to do is add a english subtitle option and I will be happy with the port! I mean SW3 on Wii had language options why not Z?
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I can't see them not porting SW3Z or XL. They may not port Z but XL I'm sure they will. At least I hope so.
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Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:25 pm
Funny that Sony America was against it but today they're openly advocating 'HD' versions of old games. Some of which don't even have anything new but the Graphics.
If they think it will sell.

God of War and Sly Cooper have a pretty decent fanbase in the states, not to much Samurai Warriors, sadly.

It really depends on how much this game is going to want to sell for- yes, I've been ranting about how much I want to just throw my Wii version into the to be sold bin, but at the same time, if the PS3 version isn't even going to be localized, then that's going to be a problem.

Not so much as importing it, but how much it would be to import the game. Until then, we'll see. If Koei even decides to localize EITHER version, that is.
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Ya I would prefer localization over just adding dual voice options cuz when I impoted MOZ it was like $80 dollars after shipping and everythin!
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I think SW3Z should come to xbox 360 too
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I think SW3Z should come to xbox 360 too
Koei could surprise us and pull what they did with the overseas release for DW7 and release it for PS3 AND 360... but considering it's Koei, I think that's a lot of wishful thinking, unfortunately. :\ Plus, I don't know if SW really sells as well as DW over here (not even sure how well DW sells these days, actually...)
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SW is to me better than DW but koei will hype Dw first and then release SW4 or Sw3xl when no ones paying attention. thats how it was for SW2xl. dynasty had 4,xl,emp and then out of nowhere SW2 xl shows up.
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Ya DW ALOT bigger then SW for some reason in NA. I dont know why. I have always liked SW better as well. Partially DW is more marketed.....But maybe NA doesnt liek samurais? IDK, lol
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Technically all they need to do is add a english subtitle option and I will be happy with the port! I mean SW3 on Wii had language options why not Z?
This would be the first thing I can agree to that you have said. That would be a wise business move for Koei to do that.

If Koei was to do such a thing, then that would mean that more people would be more than willing to import the game, because there would be an option to switch the game to english subtitles. Hell english everything! :lol:
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Technically all they need to do is add a english subtitle option and I will be happy with the port! I mean SW3 on Wii had language options why not Z?
This would be the first thing I can agree to that you have said. That would be a wise business move for Koei to do that.

If Koei was to do such a thing, then that would mean that more people would be more than willing to import the game, because there would be an option to switch the game to english subtitles. Hell english everything! :lol:
Ya if the Wii version can have english and Japanese then y couldnt a blu ray disc? They already have all the voices for it done except the new characters.....

How long could it really take to do that? If the english voices and subs are already done. So maybe a few weeks for the new characters? Come on Koei.......dont fail us now :)
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Well, Some say they might not release it overseas because of the localization????????? I can understand other reasons but this one????

It has already been made for the original on Wii, they only need to do it for the new characters (and above all Gracia because Aya and Masanori, half of the job is done, they have so many lines in the original)

If it'not released overseas, it may be because of that price tale some said about, that's all. And consider it: the developpment on Ps3 is just a port of what was made on Wii, it will cost them way less than the original one, so they might sell it at low price either way.

I still hope for an overseas release anyway, if Xl comes, they'll just drop Z too, they cannot have misunderstood what happened with SW3, especially when comparing with SB3..
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so are u guyz saying that sw3z won't come out in england
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How long could it really take to do that? If the english voices and subs are already done. So maybe a few weeks for the new characters? Come on Koei.......dont fail us now


To be honest with you? It shouldn't take no time at all. I mean, it would only be an added feature. You're right, as it would make it easier to understand what the hell is going on, who needs to be defeated, who needs to be stopped from escaping, so on and so fourth.

So I'm all for them doing that. As I said it would definitely encourage people to import the game just in case this one stays in Japan. :cool:

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so are u guyz saying that sw3z won't come out in england


Well there's really no leads saying if this game is going to go outside of Asia territories at the moment. But if you stick around I'm sure you'll know sooner or later. :cool:
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People, people. Come on, If SW3XL is localized then SW3Z will be as well. It's nowhere near the same as MOZ because Warriors Orochi and Warriors Orochi 2 were released in the States, so SCEA didn't see that Z had enough new content to get the full price treatment. SW3Z is not only a game that is new, it's also technically two games in one. Anyway, It'll most likely be brought over because SW1 and SW2 + their respective XLs were and I don't see them passing on localizing SW3Z as they just have to use the same localization of SW3 on Wii and then localize the new XL content(which will apply to both) so it won't involve any 'more' work on their part than just localizing SW3XL for Wii.

That said, It wouldn't actually have to be done in a short timeframe. Afterall, SW2 took about an entire year to be localized so it could be awhile, but SW3Z will likely get brought to the States or at least Europe.


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