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Sengoku Musou 3 Z; Release date confirmed, scans inside
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See, the reason why SW can pull off individual stories so well (SW2 notwithstanding) is because of their smaller cast. Plus, the fact that so many of the characters constantly change their factions (and even then a lot of these factions and clans don't last too long) doesn't make much room for Kingdom Mode anyway.

In fact I'd say the one thing that makes SW outdated compared to DW is the fact that they haven't made a huge next-gen leaps for it like what Koei did for DW (Even if DW6 was questionable). Until now all the SW1 starter characters still keep the same movesets, etc.

Some could interpret this as a good thing though, since SW isn't plagued by clone issues and whatnot.
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See, the reason why SW can pull off individual stories so well (SW2 notwithstanding) is because of their smaller cast. Plus, the fact that so many of the characters constantly change their factions (and even then a lot of these factions and clans don't last too long) doesn't make much room for Kingdom Mode anyway.

In fact I'd say the one thing that makes SW outdated compared to DW is the fact that they haven't made a huge next-gen leaps for it like what Koei did for DW (Even if DW6 was questionable). Until now all the SW1 starter characters still keep the same movesets, etc.

Some could interpret this as a good thing though, since SW isn't plagued by clone issues and whatnot.
Thank goodness for that too haha :D .

I'm also glad that the SW series has individual stories. It separates it from its Chinese-inspired counterpart and does a pretty damn good job of telling each character involvement in the Sengoku Period of Japan.

One thing I'd love is to make more in-depth movesets for each character due to the size of its cast. I just think that the developers could do alot for these characters to make them stand out even more from each other, and therefore provide a better gameplay experience.

Actually seeing the SW series go into a more Ninja Gaiden feel, where the maps and the stories would still be the same, but the amount of enemies you can hit are limited, would make me choose this series over the dynasty warriors series anyday. Upping the A.I to unimaginable levels even on easy would be pretty cool too. ^_^

But thats just my 2 cents :)
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I could categorize most characters to Oda, Toyotomi and Tokugawa if you like. The few that wouldn't fit to any of the three would be at "Others" (like in DW).

The only way however to make the Tokugawa faction work is to add about four or five more people to it (at least Mototada Torii, Naomasa Ii and Nobuyuki Sanada would all be good additions).

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I can see a "Kingdom Mode" being possible to do, but not likely to happen. Dividing them up into the three above stated factions would be simple, but it wouldn't mean much because they are just going to swap around factions again anyways. Masanori for example goes from the Toyotomi to the Tokugawa...and while an argument can be made that its no different than Zhang He going from Yuan Shao to Cao Cao, or Zhang Liao going from Lu Bu to Cao Cao...the thing about DW was Koei's ability to categorize them easily into one of three kingdoms seems to have severely limited their story telling. Wei Yan can't betray Shu, because he is on Shu...

Admittedly, DW7 took a step forward and gave you instances like Xiahou Ba, who ultimately does defect for the majority of time he is in the game. But, I think that kind of categorization works better with the Three Kingdoms, than with the hectic Warring States of Japan, where it seems to be far more fluid and people just kind of flip flop so much, to the point you feel like you are watching a Pirate movie made by Disney...
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I would definately put Masanori on Toyotomi, since he basically serves Ieyasu only during Sekigahara. Before that he takes part in all of Hideyoshi's major battles.

Note that dividing most of the characters into three factions requires a bit of fictional stuff, but it's not like they haven't done it before (especially in SW3).
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The problem with having an "Others" category would be that it would heavily outweigh the Oda/Toyotomi/Tokugawa. You'd then have to split the "others" into smaller categories, ie: Mouri, Otomo/Tachibana, Shimazu, Uesugi, Takeda/Sanada, etc.

As opposed to the Oda/Tokugawa/Toyotomi where they had quite a few PC's, and the lesser known NPC's and generics. Plus, at one point, they were all one big unit anyway.

One way they can do it, like in Empires, where it was split, you can do Northern Lords(Uesugi/Date/Asakura, etc), Southern Lords(Hojo/Takeda/Imagawa) or, Kanto Three(Takeda/Uesugi/Hojo)-I believe it was those three :/

Central Lords(Oda/Tokugawa, Azai, with an apperance by the Saika, Saito), and Western Lords(Mouri, Chosokabe, Otomo/Tachibana, and Shimazu)

Then the others who didn't really belong to clans such as Musashi Miyamoto, Kojiro Sasaki and Okuni could be in others. I suppose even Keiji could fit here, too.

I'm forgetting a few others, too. But at the point of defection, perhaps changing the color of their outfit, changing the outfit slightly, also?
Edited by Katatonia, Fri Apr 8, 2011 6:26 pm.
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I decided to give a go to what I promised:

ODA
*Nobunaga Oda
*Mitsuhide Akechi
*Oichi
*Noh
*Ranmaru Mori
*Toshiie Maeda
*Katsuie Shibata
*Hanbei Takenaka
*Keiji Maeda (he did serve the Oda a while)
*Motochika Chosokabe (his clan could serve under Oda say, after Kizugawa for example like in SW3)
*Gracia (because Mitsuhide's here I don't see any other faction for her)
*Nagamasa Azai (the Azai were allies with Oda for a while, so I could put him here)

New characters:
Nagahide Niwa (he was really prominent Oda general, was present in a lot of battles)


TOYOTOMI (latter half of the story would be about Western army)
*Hideyoshi Toyotomi
*Yukimura Sanada
*Mitsunari Ishida
*Kanetsugu Naoe
*Sakon Shima
*Yoshihiro Shimazu
*Ginchiyo Tachibana
*Muneshige Tachibana
*Nene
*Musashi Miyamoto (bring him back)
*Kai
*Kiyomasa Kato
*Masanori Fukushima

New characters:
Yoshitsugu Otani (he's a really interesting character to see due to his leprosy, possibly have as a third-wheel to Mitsunari-Sakon friendship)


TOKUGAWA
*Ieyasu Tokugawa
*Tadakatsu Honda
*Hanzo Hattori
*Ina
*Kojiro Sasaki (bring him back)
*Kanbei Kuroda (they need a strategist, plus otherwise Toyotomi will have way too many)
*Masamune Date
*Magoichi Saika (because of the relationship with Masamune)

New characters:
Mototada Torii (a must, I don't have to explain why)
Naomasa Ii (since everyone wants him, plus he had quite a long career)
Nobuyuki Sanada (for the sake of Ina and Yukimura, he should be in)
Any new female character since we must have at least one, and Tokugawa only have one (Ina)


This leaves only the following characters in unaligned category:
*Shingen Takeda
*Kenshin Uesugi
*Ujiyasu Hojo
*Kotaro Fuma
*Yoshimoto Imagawa
*Aya
*Motonari Mori
*Okuni

That's really about it. Feel free to comment. I would really like to have feedback about this.

Edited by Fūma, Fri Apr 8, 2011 6:45 pm.
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Katatonia
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That's an even better idea than mine, actually. And it does make sense. Also, as far as Yoshitsugu goes, Yukimura is married to his adoptive daughter, so there could be a tie with them, also.

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Fri Apr 8, 2011 10:17 am
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Fri Apr 8, 2011 12:41 am
Yhep. A PS3 version that we have YET to hear about for release outside of Japan.

And knowing how much Koei is crapped upon here, I will not be surprised at all if that April Fool's Day Joke is actual reality.
Time for the speculation and wait of SW4 then!!! :sly: :hehe: :lol: :XD
This!

Let's just forget SW3Z. It feels a bit dated compared to DW7 (with the rather boring individual story system). Note that it's just my opinion, you can disagree with it (and I'm sure most will do anyway).

How about let's start speculation for Samurai Warriors 4! :dance:
I agree, DW7's style of story is a lot more intriguing and just down right better. It seems fresh to say the least. :sly: :XD
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My issue with SW3 and individual base stories, though, is that there's going to be a lot of repeating stages. A lot. SW2 had Sekigahara, and SW3 had Mitsunari's Rescue and Osaka Campaign, Summer.

It's one thing I'm rather enjoying about DW7's story mode over SW3's individual based story modes... not as many repeat levels, at LEAST as far as kingdom story mode goes.

I never thought it'd bug me, until I came to yet another Sekigahara stage and Osaka Campaign stage and just STOPPED that character's story all together.
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Katatonia
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And don't forget Odawara castle. If I have to do Odawara again, I'm going to rip someone's balls off.
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Sat Apr 9, 2011 3:29 am
And don't forget Odawara castle. If I have to do Odawara again, I'm going to rip someone's balls off.
I think I physically ripped those memories out of my mind, especially with Nene's part in it.

...

Oh god it's all coming back to me. MAKE THE MEMORIES GO AWAY! *grabs Yoshihiro's hammer*

Seriously, if they could do SOMETHING about the amount of repeat stages, I wouldn't mind individual story modes again.
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I have yet to see these repeat stages due to my Wii being taken to shop before I had the chance to play any stories, but at least the SW3 stories are good enough (DW3's and SW2's repeat stages were far, FAR worse) that I won't really mind stage repeats.
Edited by Xalfrea, Sat Apr 9, 2011 4:18 am.
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Sat Apr 9, 2011 4:14 am
I have yet to see these repeat stages due to my Wii being taken to shop before I had the chance to play any stories, but at least the SW3 stories are good enough (DW3's and SW2's repeat stages were far, FAR worse) that I won't really mind stage repeats.
I'd compared Osaka Campaign to SW3's version of Sekigahara. Thankful that Seki was cut down in everyone's stories this time around, but only to be replaced by Osaka Campaign. Annoying.

But I hated Mitsunari's Rescue the most, though. Especially Masamune's run through. Seriously, Mitsunari is smart enough to keep himself alive, but Ieyasu? Idiot...
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^My thoughts exactly. I had to do Masa's rescue Mitsunari stage 6 times because Ieyasu couldn't stay alive
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Why would you want to limit and compartmentalize all the characters into "three kingdoms" for SW? I see no logic behind it besides trying to copycat DW's Kingdom Mode.

If we must have a "Clan Story Mode" for SW, then it should be just that, by clans. Not just Oda/Toyotomi/Tokugawa, especially when those three are all parts of the same faction for large parts of their time. It also trivializes clans like the Takeda, Uesugi, Hojo and Mori, who unlike guys like Dong Zhuo and Yuan Shao, existed for multiple generations as independent forces rather than coming into power and then dying off in the span of a decade or two.
Edited by SRS, Sat Apr 9, 2011 8:24 am.
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I wouldn't want to shove them into three separate kingdoms... it wouldn't really work for that time period and the various fractions, where as DW seems more segregated and easier to make that kind of change.

I'm just sick of everyone and their mommas having Osaka Campaign. ****. Same level, different character, sometimes there's a variation thrown in. They could learn from DW7 and maybe have a different FOCUS for each character involved and have them be unique that way.
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As mentioned before, I think it could go like Empires, ie:

North: Uesugi, Date
South: Hojo, Takeda/Sanada, Imagawa, Tokugawa
Central: Oda/Toyotomi, Azai, Saito
West: Mouri, Chosokabe, Shimazu, Tachibana/Otomo
Other: Okuni, Kojiro, Musashi, Keiji(to a lesser extent)
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If there was to be some division of characters, I wouldn't want it to be the basis of the story. The only thing I would like from any possible division is aesthetics. That's really it...the character select screen.

Being that some factions only have a single playable character, I don't see them breaking them into clans (remember All the Zhang's being Yellow Turbans in DW4...yeah, none of that -.- ). It would have to be something broader, like Eastern Army and Western Army. But that's just me and my own personal OCD not wanting to put people like Date and Chosokabe and Mori in an "Other" category because they are the only one of their clan playable.

But then there is the issue of people like Ujiyasu and Kenshin who don't make it to Sekigahara....

Yeah, i'll just be happy with the way it is now. >.<
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If they must be split into clan stories, this is my consideration. For kicks, I'll add battles and who could be the featured character(even if they aren't playable yet.)

~Oda-Toyotomi~(will obviously end up being the longest story mode)
Okehazama: Nobunaga
Inabayama Castle Pt. 1: Hideyoshi
Inabayama Castle Pt. 2: Nouhime
March Onto the Capital: Oichi
Kanegasaki: Mitsuhide
Anegawa: Toshiie
Odani: Katsuie
Tonezaka: Kazumasu Takigawa(new)
Nagashino: Nobunaga
Nagashima: Katsuie
Tottori: Hanbei
Tedorigawa: Katsuie
Kizugawaguchi: Nobunaga
Ishiyama-Honganji: Nouhime
Temmokuzan: Mitsuhide
Honnoji Pt. 1: Ranmaru
Honnoji Pt. 2: Nobunaga
Yamazaki: Hideyoshi
Kanagawa: Kazumasu
Shizugatake: Masanori
Komaki-Nagakute: Nene
Shikoku: Hideie Ukita(new)
Kyushu: Kiyomasa
Oshi: Mitsunari
Odawara: Kanbei
Fushimi: Sakon
Sekigahara Pt. 1: Sakon
Sekigahara Pt. 2: Mitsunari
Sekigahara Pt. 3: Hideie

~Takeda-Sanada~
Uedahara: Shingen
Kawanakajima: Shingen
Tonezawa: Katsuyori Takeda(new)
Sumpu: Shingen
Odawara: Katsuyori
Mimasetoge: Masakage Yamagata(new)
Mikatagahara: Shingen
Iwamura: Katsuyori
Nagashino Pt. 1: Masakage
Nagashino Pt. 2: Katsuyori
Takatenjin: Kunoichi
Temmokuzan: Katsuyori
Kai-Shinano Riots: Yukimura
Oshi: Kunoichi
Ueda: Yukimura
Osaka(Toyotomi): Yukimura

~Uesugi~
Kanto Invasion Pt. 1: Kenshin
Kanto Invasion Pt. 2: Kenshin
Kawanakajima: Kenshin
Shigenaga Honjo's Rebellion: Aya
Jinbo-Shiina Conflict: Kagekatsu Uesugi(new)
Tedorigawa: Kenshin
Otate no Ran: Kanetsugu
Date-Mogami Conflict: Aya
Oshi: Kanetsugu
Hasedo Pt. 1: Kagekatsu
Hasedo Pt. 2: Kanetsugu
Osaka(Tokugawa): Kagekatsu

~Hojo~
Kawagoe: Ujiyasu
Suruga: Kotaro
Kanto Defense Pt. 1: Kotaro
Kanto Defense Pt. 2: Ujiyasu
Tonezawa: Ujimasa Hojo(new)
Mimasetoge: Ujimasa
Attack on the Satomi: Ujiyasu
Kanagawa: Ujimasa
Kai-Shinano Riots: Kotaro
Oshi: Kaihime
Odawara Pt. 1: Kotaro
Odawara Pt. 2: Ujimasa

~Imagawa-Tokugawa~
Azukizaka: Yoshimoto
Okehazama Pt. 1: Yoshimoto
Okehazama Pt. 2: Ieyasu
Kakegawa: Ieyasu
Strike on the Mikawa Monto: Masanobu Honda(new)
Anegawa: Tadakatsu
Mikatagahara Pt. 1: Ieyasu
Mikatagahara Pt. 2: Tadakatsu
Nagashino: Ieyasu
Takatenjin: Hanzo
Escape Through Iga: Hanzo
Kai-Shinano Riots: Inahime
Komaki-Nagakute: Masanobu
Odawara: Hanzo
Otsu: Masanori
Numata: Inahime
Ueda: Masanobu
Sekigahara Pt. 1: Ieyasu
Sekigahara Pt. 2: Ieyasu
Sekigahara Pt. 3: Tadakatsu
Osaka Pt. 1: Inahime
Osaka Pt. 2: Ieyasu

~Mori~
Itsukushima Pt. 1: Takeyoshi Murakami(new)
Itsukushima Pt. 2: Motonari
Ouchi Elimination: Motonari
Shiraga: Motonari
Gassantoda: Motonari
Kyushu Invasion: Takeyoshi
Amago Uprising: Terumoto Mori(new)
Kizugawaguchi: Takeyoshi
Tottori: Terumoto
Kozuki: Terumoto
Shikoku: Takeyoshi
Otsu: Terumoto
Sekigahara Intrusion: Terumoto

~Otomo-Tachibana~
Chikuzen: Sorin Otomo(new)
Kyushu Defense: Sorin
Shikoku Invasion: Sorin
Tatarahama: Ginchiyo
Mimigawa Pt. 1: Sorin
Mimigawa Pt. 2: Muneshige
Tanezane Akizuki's Rebellion: Ginchiyo
Hetsugigawa: Sorin
Kyushu: Muneshige
Odawara: Ginchiyo
Otsu: Muneshige
Escape to Kyushu: Muneshige

Other(Shimazu, Date, Azai, Chosokabe; eventually would probably see characters from Ashikaga, Miyoshi, Saito, Asakura, Satake, etc here)
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Hmm, you managed to do that quite well. Let's see what I can do.

In each story the unifier character (Nobunaga, Hideyoshi or Ieyasu) get two stages while the rest would get one. Note that there will be some fictional stuff in these.

I put these in the spoiler tags to avoid making this page too long.

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Yes I know these would be short stories, but focus on the quality, not on quantity (i.e create long and epic battles with huge battleground, even bigger than in DWs).
Edited by Fūma, Sat Apr 9, 2011 9:20 am.
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I'm just sick of everyone and their mommas having Osaka Campaign. ****. Same level, different character, sometimes there's a variation thrown in. They could learn from DW7 and maybe have a different FOCUS for each character involved and have them be unique that way.
You make it seem like everyone and their mothers get that stage when the stage that really got tired is Oshi Castle. At least Osaka Castle sent you on a different route in everyones' stories (such as Magoichi goes in through the side gate and Ieyasu blows down the wall with a cannon); almost every Oshi Castle variation is the same.

That's beside the fact characters like Masamune, Muneshige, and Kanetsugu don't even get the stage-- and Muneshige is on the wrong side of the battle to boot.
Edited by Amakusa, Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:39 am.
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I'm just sick of everyone and their mommas having Osaka Campaign. ****. Same level, different character, sometimes there's a variation thrown in. They could learn from DW7 and maybe have a different FOCUS for each character involved and have them be unique that way.
You make it seem like everyone and their mothers get that stage when the stage that really got tired is Oshi Castle. At least Osaka Castle sent you on a different route in everyones' stories (such as Magoichi goes in through the side gate and Ieyasu blows down the wall with a cannon); almost every Oshi Castle variation is the same.

That's beside the fact characters like Masamune, Muneshige, and Kanetsugu don't even get the stage-- and Muneshige is on the wrong side of the battle to boot.
I'm having trouble remembering Oshi castle. Is that the stage with the Toyotomi vs Hojo, where Kaihime unleashes the water attack?

If so, then I hate that stage too.

I think I hated a LOT of stages in SW3, now that I think about it. I groaned a lot when I'd look at the next stage.
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I just wonder, is it true that sanada yukimura did defeat honda tadakatsu historicol?. I know that this is not what you peaple are talking about but I hope you stil can answer it :D
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I just wonder, is it true that sanada yukimura did defeat honda tadakatsu historicol?. I know that this is not what you peaple are talking about but I hope you stil can answer it :D
No, he didn't. I don't think they even fought against each other at any point historically (not sure about that though).
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