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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
Topic Started: Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:32 am (1,039,966 Views)
Dark Fang
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Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:47 am
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Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:06 am
From what it looks like Xiao Qiao seems entirely different than Da Qiao. It could be that KOEI is doing a "same weapon, different moveset" type thing. Also, I cannot see Da Qiao doing the positions that Xiao Qiao is doing! XD
I certainly hope this is the case. Remember in DW3-5 each character had 4-5 named weapons unique to themselves, even if they shared the same weapon type (spears, fans etc)? Such as: Da Qiao: Twin Fans, Violet Fans, True Beauty and Qiao Beauty Xiao Qiao: Double Fans, Peach Fans, True Grace and Qiao Grace Maybe Koei is using the 360 'different' weapons, broken down so each 'group' of weapons are 'identified' to a character/moveset and the equiping weapons thing is done such that if say Xiahou Dun were to equip Violet Fans or True Beauty (identified with Da Qiao), he'd be using Da Qiao's moveset (minus Da's EX Attack), and if he were to equip Peach Fans or True Grace (identified with Xiao Qiao), he'd be using Xiao Qiao's moveset (minus Xiao's EX Attack). This way, Da Qiao could end up doing the positions Xiao Qiao is doing if she were equiped with Xiao Qiao's fan. This probably has been mentioned somewhere before... ^^0 Of course if the only difference between character's with the same type of weapon were the EX attacks, then :(
i'd be kinda sad too but i keep looking at that pic of xiao qiao mid air and it really looks like a second fan or a second something ya know i might be wrong though :( but GOD!!!!! please i hope not
Edited by Dark Fang, Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:21 am.
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Liu Bei's son. As the son of Liu Bei, who had manage to attract many heroes to his side by his charisma, many of the people around him expected much of Liu Shan. He rarely takes action immediately, preferring to deliberate over things before deciding. Because of that his reactions(decisions) are slow, and thus because of the excessive expectations from people surrounding him, he's been mistaken for being feebleminded.


I get the feeling Liu Shan haters are really not going to like the way that last sentence sounds. Mistakenly feeble minded is probably not as stupid as some people were hoping for.
See, that's the thing, isnt it? The bio pretty much describes exactly how most people feel about him while also suggesting that he's actually not that bad of a person. He is, in essence, someone a lot of people find as a disappointment, but my suspicion is the game will make some attempt to make Liu Chan have some redeemable quality.
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i'd be kinda sad too but i keep looking at that pic of xiao qiao mid air and it really looks like a second fan or a second something ya know i might be wrong though but GOD!!!!! please i hope not
Yeah i hope this is another case similar to the Shang Xiang dilemma. it was thought that she'd only wield one chakram in the game due to the screenshots of her, but since the recent trailer showed Xiahou Dun wielding two chakrams, it put the rumour to rest.

Hopefully the same will be said for xiao qiao as well.

Also another gameplay video before the release of the game will maybe tell us is the charge-based system has truly been expanded upon as well.

More information on the weapon system would also be nice as koei could reveal that people can make dual wielding weapons if they by using a certain two weapons together, like having a whip as your first weapon and a spear as your secondary would make a third fused weapon of the two.

So when you go into battle you can switch from a whip to a spear, and instead of switching to a whip again, you would switch to a third special dual wielding weapon combining the two together. If any of you catch my drift....... and don't worry if you're not :) lol. And instead of having any two weapons making a third one, the developers could make it so only certain combinations of weapons can make this desired effect.

Edit: I just realized I've talked about this idea already somewhere on this forum..... woops........ anyways........... Liu Bei is really starting to freak me out............ and Dong Zhuo personally looks great!!!!! They could've given him his dw 6 club back though, because it looked good on him....
Edited by FKA, Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:44 am.
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i'd be kinda sad too but i keep looking at that pic of xiao qiao mid air and it really looks like a second fan or a second something ya know i might be wrong though but GOD!!!!! please i hope not
Yeah i hope this is another case similar to the Shang Xiang dilemma. it was thought that she'd only wield one chakram in the game due to the screenshots of her, but since the recent trailer showed Xiahou Dun wielding two chakrams, it put the rumour to rest. Hopefully the same will be said for xiao qiao as well. Also another gameplay video before the release of the game will maybe tell us is the charge-based system has truly been expanded upon as well. More information on the weapon system would also be nice as koei could reveal that people can make dual wielding weapons if they by using a certain two weapons together, like having a whip as your first weapon and a spear as your secondary would make a third fused weapon of the two. So when you go into battle you can switch from a whip to a spear, and instead of switching to a whip again, you would switch to a third special dual wielding weapon combining the two together. If any of you catch my drift....... and don't worry if you're not :) lol. And instead of having any two weapons making a third one, the developers could make it so only certain combinations of weapons can make this desired effect.
ohhhhh i get you like if you were to fuse a fan wit the daggers you would have a fan that shoots knives out of it or a fan made of knives wow im thinking your idea is pretty sweet ^_^
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ohhhhh i get you like if you were to fuse a fan wit the daggers you would have a fan that shoots knives out of it or a fan made of knives wow im thinking your idea is pretty sweet ^_^
Wow that idea with the fans and daggers just blew my idea with the whip spear (which was inspired by Wen Yang hehe) to smitherins. I commend you my friend :) :D And thankyou for liking my idea. :)
Edited by FKA, Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:52 am.
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Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:06 am
From what it looks like Xiao Qiao seems entirely different than Da Qiao. It could be that KOEI is doing a "same weapon, different moveset" type thing. Also, I cannot see Da Qiao doing the positions that Xiao Qiao is doing! XD
I certainly hope this is the case.

Remember in DW3-5 each character had 4-5 named weapons unique to themselves, even if they shared the same weapon type (spears, fans etc)? Such as:

Da Qiao: Twin Fans, Violet Fans, True Beauty and Qiao Beauty
Xiao Qiao: Double Fans, Peach Fans, True Grace and Qiao Grace

Maybe Koei is using the 360 'different' weapons, broken down so each 'group' of weapons are 'identified' to a character/moveset and the equiping weapons thing is done such that if say Xiahou Dun were to equip Violet Fans or True Beauty (identified with Da Qiao), he'd be using Da Qiao's moveset (minus Da's EX Attack), and if he were to equip Peach Fans or True Grace (identified with Xiao Qiao), he'd be using Xiao Qiao's moveset (minus Xiao's EX Attack).

This way, Da Qiao could end up doing the positions Xiao Qiao is doing if she were equiped with Xiao Qiao's fan.

This probably has been mentioned somewhere before... ^^0

Of course if the only difference between character's with the same type of weapon were the EX attacks, then :(
That is basically what I have been saying about the "360 weapons" all along. 5 weapon levels would = 72 different movesets and 6 would = 60 If it ends up being 5/72 (or 4/90 O__O ... yeah don't think so knowing Koei) then we will have a bunch of extra weapons which no character has Ex moves for - so maybe old, unused weapons (Zhu Rong's old bomberang, YueYing's Blade Bow / Sctyhe, etc...) or perhaps bonus guest weapons (Orochi crew ... they said no guest, never said no guest's weapons xD).

About people with the same Ex weapon class, we have seen that they will have similar s-strings w/ different charge attack from looking at Xiahou in the PV vs Sima in the old gameplay video. Just like in DW3-5 with similar movesets, so there shouldn't be much to worry about here.

I was kind of hoping the Ex attacks would be similar to the Special attacks in the SW and Orochi games and could be used to cancel your current s-string at anytime. Instead it seems it will just be like one special charge move added on after a specific normal one. Not sure if I like this or not.

The one big thing I AM worried about is that it looks like they removed the C3 Renbu attacks ([] [] /\ /\ /\ /\) judging from that movelist pic and the fact multiple characters Ex moves will activate by pressing /\ after a C3. That + elimination of dodge rolling + the possible removal of the Evolution attacks (aka only 6 square hits vs 9 before) are my only current quirks I have for what we know of the combat engine. I am still super excited to see how this all comes together.
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I got directed to the Lawsons site via GameFaqs (Lawsons)that the Wang Yuan Ji preorder costume picture was up, so I went and looked at it and was disgusted.

It seemed like it was taken off soon after I saw it (going back to the URL that image is no longer being shown), so I digged it out of my browser cache if anyone else hadn't seen it yet:

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Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:08 am
I got directed to the Lawsons site via GameFaqs (Lawsons)that the Wang Yuan Ji preorder costume picture was up, so I went and looked at it and was disgusted.

It seemed like it was taken off soon after I saw it (going back to the URL that image is no longer being shown), so I digged it out of my browser cache if anyone else hadn't seen it yet:

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Well the daggers are nice............................. Yikes I hate that uniform........
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Thats just.................(sigh) sad. :facepalm:

Edited by QZW, Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:19 am.
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Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:10 am
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Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:08 am
I got directed to the Lawsons site via GameFaqs (Lawsons)that the Wang Yuan Ji preorder costume picture was up, so I went and looked at it and was disgusted.

It seemed like it was taken off soon after I saw it (going back to the URL that image is no longer being shown), so I digged it out of my browser cache if anyone else hadn't seen it yet:

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Well the daggers are nice............................. Yikes I hate that uniform........
Only her personality will tell how good her alternate looks on her. It's rather decent though ^_~
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Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:52 am
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ohhhhh i get you like if you were to fuse a fan wit the daggers you would have a fan that shoots knives out of it or a fan made of knives wow im thinking your idea is pretty sweet ^_^
Wow that idea with the fans and daggers just blew my idea with the whip spear (which was inspired by Wen Yang hehe) to smitherins. I commend you my friend :) :D And thankyou for liking my idea. :)
of course who wouldnt like your idea it was imazing but the wepon was inspired from your idea .... man if KOEI used that it would take the 360 weapons to an even greater number haha :lol:
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Just Saw the screenshots and for those who said Xiao look similar with Ling Xiaoyu (tekken) Count me in there :D

and lol for Wang Yuanji Costume, very very unique.. soooo Unique hahaha
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Whoa thats hideous!! I hope thats not the kind of alternate costumes we will be seeing...
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Anyone see the last pic for Liu Bei on the jap website, it looks like the grapple for DW6, where he stabs then trips the guy, i think they kept the the grapples. Also Zhang Fei is standing behind him you can see his weapon.
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Just Saw the screenshots and for those who said Xiao look similar with Ling Xiaoyu (tekken) Count me in there :D

and lol for Wang Yuanji Costume, very very unique.. soooo Unique hahaha
You know since Xiao Qiao's CG artwork got recently uploaded by Jsun will you by any chance start to make that Sig with the two Qiaos??? Just wondering hehehe :whistle: .

@DarkFang; Thankyou for your compliment :) I'm happy now :) And yeah it would propell the 360 weapons into greater heights.

But seriously there are an infinite amount of better dlc costumes Wang Yuan Ji could wear which would make her look a thousand times better than........... well that uniform......... I really wish that rumour about having dw 3 & 4 costumes as dlc was true right about now.....

@kaiosuke37 yeah it does but do you really see her attacking peons in that without making it look awkward??? If it were used in another game then I wouldn't mind at all. Wang Yuan Ji herself looks nice, but having that as dlc just doesn't fit into the context of the game.......
Edited by FKA, Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:30 am.
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we only have the Ex ATK different and all skill remaining the same ( I mean charge atk and normal atk )
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I think Quiaos Design..is an epic fail. She looked in the other games prettier then now..Zhuge Liangs Design..is typically xD

Anyone knows something about Pang Tong?
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**Attention**

If you are one of the many posters that are trying to decipher the **360 different varieties of weapons**, you should know that according to Black Kite's information thread, he said that there was ***ABOUT*** 360 different varieties of weapons; that means it's not exactly going to be 360 ^_^ .

We should take Seraphil's posted rumor more seriously, considering that many game companies will not release so many new characters at the end of there release. We should expect no more than three, (still hoping for Cao Rui).

I didn't mean to sound rude, if I did anyways. Hopefully some of us will stop quoting false confirmed updates :hmmm:


EDIT: In addition to the above, fouth weapons are confirmed; so I don't see how that would equate 5th weapons :hmmm:

@Kahi: It appears that koei is having fun with their alternate costumes. Truthfully, I would like to see more of this ^_^
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So Zhang He does keep his TWO claws i never had any doubt but it'll take some getting used to seing Dong Zhuo with a Chain Mace i'm suprised he's that flexible :mellow:
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:realangry: Not sure if this has been mentioned yet or not, but anyone else not liking the amount of UNIQUE weapons in this game so far?? i mean seriously lets see what we got here..


DAO BLADE= Xiahou Dun + Sima Zhao + CaoCao= 3

SPEAR= Zhao Yun + Jiang Wei + Ma Chao = 3

RAPIER= Liu Shan+ Sima Shi + Yuan Shao= 3

CLAW NUCKLE= Ding Feng + Meng Huo = 2

THROWING DAGGERS= Zhu Rong + Wang Yuanji= 2

TWIN SWORDS= Liu Bei + Lu Xun= 2

BOW= Xiahou Yuan + Huang Zhong= 2

BOW STAFF= Zhao Yu + Yi Ling = 2

CHAIN MACE= Cao Ren + Dong Zhou = 2

FOLDING FAN= Xiao Qiao + Da Qiao = 2

FEATHERED FAN= Sima Yi + Zhuge Liang + Zhuge Dan= 3 :realangry:

PLUS who knows what the other characters that havent been revealed yet are going to have, no doubt in my mind there will be more of the same weapons above :(
AND if u put the fans together, that equals FIVE WTF really??!! KOEI couldnt think of any other unique weapons to make??

Im not talking about CLONES here for i already know that their move sets will be different from one another, which im very happy bout by the way :hehe: IM talkin bout the variety of diff weapons in this game! WHERE ARE THEY???

why didnt they give cao rens shield n blade?? what happened to yue yings scythe??? instead they give them a weapon that another character has?? i mean at least give one of the dao sisters twin fans( hope u guys know what im on about) using the same weapons would just be boring!!

ILL TELL YA WHY!! KOEI IS F#*!@N LAZY THATS WHY!!!!!! :angry:


to me having diff movesets but having the same weapons is almost the same as CLONEING..

sorry i had to say it :/















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:realangry: Not sure if this has been mentioned yet or not, but anyone else not liking the amount of UNIQUE weapons in this game so far?? i mean seriously lets see what we got here..


DAO BLADE= Xiahou Dun + Sima Zhao + CaoCao= 3

SPEAR= Zhao Yun + Jiang Wei + Ma Chao = 3

RAPIER= Liu Shan+ Sima Shi + Yuan Shao= 3

CLAW NUCKLE= Ding Feng + Meng Huo = 2

THROWING DAGGERS= Zhu Rong + Wang Yuanji= 2

TWIN SWORDS= Liu Bei + Lu Xun= 2

BOW= Xiahou Yuan + Huang Zhong= 2

BOW STAFF= Zhao Yu + Yi Ling = 2

CHAIN MACE= Cao Ren + Dong Zhou = 2

FOLDING FAN= Xiao Qiao + Da Qiao = 2

FEATHERED FAN= Sima Yi + Zhuge Liang + Zhuge Dan= 3 :realangry:

PLUS who knows what the other characters that havent been revealed yet are going to have, no doubt in my mind there will be more of the same weapons above :(
AND if u put the fans together, that equals FIVE WTF really??!! KOEI couldnt think of any other unique weapons to make??

Im not talking about CLONES here for i already know that their move sets will be different from one another, which im very happy bout by the way :hehe: IM talkin bout the variety of diff weapons in this game! WHERE ARE THEY???

why didnt they give cao rens shield n blade?? what happened to yue yings scythe??? instead they give them a weapon that another character has?? i mean at least give one of the dao sisters twin fans( hope u guys know what im on about) using the same weapons would just be boring!!

ILL TELL YA WHY!! KOEI IS F#*!@N LAZY THATS WHY!!!!!! :angry:


to me having diff movesets but having the same weapons is almost the same as CLONEING..

sorry i had to say it :/















we just know that they have different EX ATK , but all the movesets , we haven't know yet :/
I hope they will different too :)
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:realangry: Not sure if this has been mentioned yet or not, but anyone else not liking the amount of UNIQUE weapons in this game so far?? i mean seriously lets see what we got here..


DAO BLADE= Xiahou Dun + Sima Zhao + CaoCao= 3

SPEAR= Zhao Yun + Jiang Wei + Ma Chao = 3

RAPIER= Liu Shan+ Sima Shi + Yuan Shao= 3

CLAW NUCKLE= Ding Feng + Meng Huo = 2

THROWING DAGGERS= Zhu Rong + Wang Yuanji= 2

TWIN SWORDS= Liu Bei + Lu Xun= 2

BOW= Xiahou Yuan + Huang Zhong= 2

BOW STAFF= Zhou Yu + Yue Ying = 2

CHAIN MACE= Cao Ren + Dong Zhou = 2

FOLDING FAN= Xiao Qiao + Da Qiao = 2

FEATHERED FAN= Sima Yi + Zhuge Liang + Zhuge Dan= 3 :realangry:

PLUS who knows what the other characters that havent been revealed yet are going to have, no doubt in my mind there will be more of the same weapons above :(
AND if u put the fans together, that equals FIVE WTF really??!! KOEI couldnt think of any other unique weapons to make??

Im not talking about CLONES here for i already know that their move sets will be different from one another, which im very happy bout by the way :hehe: IM talkin bout the variety of diff weapons in this game! WHERE ARE THEY???

why didnt they give cao rens shield n blade?? what happened to yue yings scythe??? instead they give them a weapon that another character has?? i mean at least give one of the dao sisters twin fans( hope u guys know what im on about) using the same weapons would just be boring!!

ILL TELL YA WHY!! KOEI IS F#*!@N LAZY THATS WHY!!!!!! :angry:


to me having diff movesets but having the same weapons is almost the same as CLONEING..

sorry i had to say it :/
^This This This!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I totally agree with this statement!!!! Thankyou for that :) You basically just stated everything that has been building up in my mind :) And I'm thankful. :)

@kaiosuke37, I'd like it too if koei would make better more imaginative dlc. Maybe some ninja gaiden/dead or alive costumes? Maybe having Cao Ren dressed in a Gundam Suit??? Shang Xiang in Chun Li's costume? There are so many more imaginative and awesome costumes koei could make as dlc. Maybe they could even include Romance of the three kingdoms costumes for characters to fit the context of the game. Anything but that uniform......... Sorry if I sound rude or anything..... hehe :blush:

Edit: I just had a great idea..... what about making some dlc costumes based on Sailor Moon!!!!!!!! or Naruto Shippuden!!! or Bleach!!!!! I would love to use Zhang He as a sailor scout!!!! But thats just my inner anime-maniac talking hehe.
Edited by FKA, Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:01 am.
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i love Zhang He's new and improved claws :D better than the other versions :D But, looking at this screen shot, what kind of weapon is his second one?
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:realangry: Not sure if this has been mentioned yet or not, but anyone else not liking the amount of UNIQUE weapons in this game so far?? i mean seriously lets see what we got here.. DAO BLADE= Xiahou Dun + Sima Zhao + CaoCao= 3 SPEAR= Zhao Yun + Jiang Wei + Ma Chao = 3 RAPIER= Liu Shan+ Sima Shi + Yuan Shao= 3 CLAW NUCKLE= Ding Feng + Meng Huo = 2 THROWING DAGGERS= Zhu Rong + Wang Yuanji= 2 TWIN SWORDS= Liu Bei + Lu Xun= 2 BOW= Xiahou Yuan + Huang Zhong= 2 BOW STAFF= Zhao Yu + Yi Ling = 2 CHAIN MACE= Cao Ren + Dong Zhou = 2 FOLDING FAN= Xiao Qiao + Da Qiao = 2 FEATHERED FAN= Sima Yi + Zhuge Liang + Zhuge Dan= 3 :realangry: PLUS who knows what the other characters that havent been revealed yet are going to have, no doubt in my mind there will be more of the same weapons above :( AND if u put the fans together, that equals FIVE WTF really??!! KOEI couldnt think of any other unique weapons to make?? Im not talking about CLONES here for i already know that their move sets will be different from one another, which im very happy bout by the way :hehe: IM talkin bout the variety of diff weapons in this game! WHERE ARE THEY??? why didnt they give cao rens shield n blade?? what happened to yue yings scythe??? instead they give them a weapon that another character has?? i mean at least give one of the dao sisters twin fans( hope u guys know what im on about) using the same weapons would just be boring!! ILL TELL YA WHY!! KOEI IS F#*!@N LAZY THATS WHY!!!!!! :angry: to me having diff movesets but having the same weapons is almost the same as CLONEING.. sorry i had to say it :/
***Sorry for the double post***

:hmmm: dude . . . you do know that there's over 60 characters in this game!? That's a hell of alot! Post me one game that isn't a crossover, that has this amount of characters. Koei has done extremely well so far, EVEN accepting the negatives, this game will be well worth my money; plus spending extra for the dlc.

You should know that most companies are hesitant about putting this amount of characters, because they too will lack much more uniqueness considering that there gameplay mechanics aren't designed for this many characters. Look at Sengoku Basara 3, they're so wrapped up in there gameplay, that they missed out on HALF of the roster that was already present in previous games; Koei only cut 7, still giving us unfinished characters, (not saying thats good, but they did what they could).

Some people consider DW mechanics to be boring, but it's rather perfect for their way of doing things. But if you think they're not doing enough and they're being lazy, that only says that you are one greedy customer :( I would personally rather have a FINISHED game this time. ^_^ /rant

EDIT @Kahi: That would be amazing!! Could you imagine Xiao and Da in sailor moon outfits!? That would be beyond adorable!!!
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i love Zhang He's new and improved claws :D better than the other versions :D But, looking at this screen shot, what kind of weapon is his second one?
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