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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
Topic Started: Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:32 am (1,039,935 Views)
Dabok
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Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:31 pm
No offense, but when it comes to crafting individual story modes in DW, Koei just FAILS.

SW1's stories, from what I heard, were pretty good, while SW2's were a mix of good, subpar and lame (Yes, I'm looking at you No). SW3, which I'll play soon, is said to have good stories again.

I'm all for Kingdom modes at this point. In fact the only reason I'd like to see individual story modes is for possible Pang De interaction with Ma Chao and Ma Dai. With Kingdom Mode, the possibility of Pang De being cut doesn't faze me whatsoever.
Wow, someone who thinks the same as I do concerning individual stories in DW!
Well, maybe I'm being kinda biased because I've started in DW4 where the story mode is by kingdom and not individual.
But I really think that it's better because we feel that everyone in the roster are "in this together and through it all".
Not just "I'm from X kingdom, I have 2-3 friends here and 2-3 enemies there, that's my story."
True, SW1's stories are great, partly because you have several other possibilities, which is kinda interesting =)
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Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:20 pm
I am inclined to believe the most recent leaked rumor list, which lists only Guan Suo and Bu Bu (whatever her name is -.-) as the only two remaining new characters. It also lists Pang De and Zuo Ci as not returning.

Adding them all up, the total does come to 61 or 62, which meets the criteria Koei set before. I don't like that Shu get's 4 new characters and Wu only gets 2...they could've made it an even 2-2. Or gave Wu at least 1 more.

That said, I suppose it is understandable that Wei only gets one, considering that most of Jin's roster will probably be Wei characters for most of the game, showing up in Wei battles and stuff with the possible exceptions of Wang Yuan Ji and the Sima brothers.
This annoys me though as if they are doing this because of Jin it then means that Wei is gonna be neglected in every future DW game which isn't right at all :/
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Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:27 pm
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Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:20 pm
I am inclined to believe the most recent leaked rumor list, which lists only Guan Suo and Bu Bu (whatever her name is -.-) as the only two remaining new characters. It also lists Pang De and Zuo Ci as not returning.

Adding them all up, the total does come to 61 or 62, which meets the criteria Koei set before. I don't like that Shu get's 4 new characters and Wu only gets 2...they could've made it an even 2-2. Or gave Wu at least 1 more.

That said, I suppose it is understandable that Wei only gets one, considering that most of Jin's roster will probably be Wei characters for most of the game, showing up in Wei battles and stuff with the possible exceptions of Wang Yuan Ji and the Sima brothers.
This annoys me though as if they are doing this because of Jin it then means that Wei is gonna be neglected in every future DW game which isn't right at all :/
Its better to think of it as two entirely different periods. By the time Jin's story will become relevant, Wei will have lost relevance, so we won't be missing all that much in the Blue Man's (Wei) corner.

Obviously after a certain period, Wei pretty much is owned by the Sima family, they just didn't change the name to Jin yet, so to speak. So even if Jin weren't an official kingdom in the game...if they were following the same story we'd get the same thing anyways.

Edit - Oh lookie. 1,000 posts. Now i'm a big boy! :hehe:
Edited by Mr. Kamikaze, Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:32 pm.
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Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:53 pm
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Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:49 pm
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Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:45 pm
Free mode was available since the first ssmusuo game and it would be kinda dumb of them to replace it! Although I believe that if for some readon it's removed, then I'll be expecting alot from Chronicle (Conquest) mode.

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Agreed. Free Mode is a typical DW thing, they just cant remove it >.< Unless story mode will allow a sort of WO thing were you can pick a certain stage of the kingdom and pick a character of your choosing.
I've never played WO but that sounds like a good idea! But it sounds like it might ruin the characters' stories.
and thats why it was so fun and refreshing ;)
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Thing about Kingdom Mode in DW4 was that you really couldn't switch characters out too much, you basically had to play as one character anyway (if you switched to a fresh character in Act III or IV they'd get their ass whipped so you could really only use the characters who naturally built up to the point you're at).

This is my same question with Kingdom Mode. Everyone knows the difficulty increases as you go through Musou Mode whether single or kingdom, so I'm really curious how it's going to work later in these Kingdom Musou Modes when they force us to use characters we haven't touched.
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Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:33 pm
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Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:03 pm
I don't see how the harp would work in melee at all. What's she going to do, choke people with the strings? >___>;

It's probably going to be entirely magic music. Similar to some of Zhen Ji's charge moves.
I don't know, being whacked over the head with a harp sounds rather painful, so there will probably be some melee element to it. Though I can see it being like Zhen Ji's ms, with magic charges and musou.
It could be painful but it's just not logical.

It'd be ridiculously hard to seriously swing a harp around effectively. And it doesn't exactly look stylish.

I can see maybe Cai throwing it upwards for her S -> Charge move to hit the enemy upwards, then catching it when it comes down... but other than that fighting with a harp would just be... unethical.
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Xalfrea
Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:31 pm
No offense, but when it comes to crafting individual story modes in DW, Koei just FAILS.

SW1's stories, from what I heard, were pretty good, while SW2's were a mix of good, subpar and lame (Yes, I'm looking at you No). SW3, which I'll play soon, is said to have good stories again.

I'm all for Kingdom modes at this point. In fact the only reason I'd like to see individual story modes is for possible Pang De interaction with Ma Chao and Ma Dai. With Kingdom Mode, the possibility of Pang De being cut doesn't faze me whatsoever.
I don't think it's a coincidence that the game that everybody says had the best character stories is also the warriors game with the smallest number of characters. Time period could be a factor as well, come to think of it.

I would have thought it obvious that as the number of characters grows, the uniqueness and the freshness of said characters dwindles; especially if the new characters' stories and personalities are simply pulled out of Koei's collective asses, often simply to cater for the far eastern (primarily Japanese) audience. Honestly I didn't think the idea of just piling on the characters (60+, :crazy: ) would be as popular as it is; the only other person who I can think of who shares my concerns is the very clever Dongzhou...... :sly:

A well made Kingdom Mode is if course a fairly good solution to this problem. Providing we have interesting character personalities in the first place, engaging and fairly complex gameplay and good quality dialogue in-game and during cutscenes.
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People who say "I want more characters added to Wei!" make me laugh. A few months ago, everyone said "It only takes a Wei strategist to replace Sima Yi." I would point out that we got Jia Xu, who is a very good character. If we get no more characters in the Wei is quite normal. Jin = Late Wei.

Stop complaining all the time, try to see good things in this game, for a change.
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Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:35 pm
People who say "I want more characters added to Wei!" make me laugh. A few months ago, everyone said "It only takes a Wei strategist to replace Sima Yi." I would point out that we got Jia Xu, who is a very good character. If we get no more characters in the Wei is quite normal. Jin = Late Wei.

Stop complaining all the time, try to see good things in this game, for a change.
I'd be lying if I said I don't want more Wei characters (Yu Jin, Cheng Yu, Guo Nuwang and Xun Yu :meantongue: ) but you're right. Less complaining would be nice.

However, seeing complaints about complaining is beginning to get annoying too... :uh:
Edited by Zillion, Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:47 pm.
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Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:47 pm


However, seeing complaints about complaining is beginning to get annoying too... :uh:
This.

People are going to post whatever they want dude, you can't wind people up and have them all be company men on the board and expect them to go around kissing Koei's ass. They faceplanted DW6, this behavior is to be expected. Basically stole our money with the lack of content (stages / musou modes) in that game (wasn't worth $60 that's for damn sure). It's like their on probation within the fan base. So Koei has to ace DW7 and their rep will go up and people will have more hope for future games (though there are always people going to hate, just have to ignore them). That's the way life / business works.

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Sure, the rumor may seem true, but we still don't know for sure. I can give you probably five rumors at the top of my head that probably a lot of people believed but ended up being nothing but bull s***. Seriously. Although a lot of evidence backs the rumor up, we still can't believe it until its confirmed.

The guy that posted on 2ch couldn't have been able to see the final roster unless he works for Koei or knows someone who works for Koei, either way, he'd get in a lot of trouble for what he said.

Even if the rumor is true, there's still DLC and DW7Empires/XL. Don't loose hope for new characters and Pang De/Zuo Ci yet!
Edited by JayHawk, Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:54 pm.
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Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:47 pm
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Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:35 pm
People who say "I want more characters added to Wei!" make me laugh. A few months ago, everyone said "It only takes a Wei strategist to replace Sima Yi." I would point out that we got Jia Xu, who is a very good character. If we get no more characters in the Wei is quite normal. Jin = Late Wei.

Stop complaining all the time, try to see good things in this game, for a change.
I'd be lying if I said I don't want more Wei characters (Yu Jin, Cheng Yu, Guo Nuwang and Xun Yu :meantongue: ) but you're right. Less complaining would be nice.

However, seeing complaints about complaining is beginning to get annoying too... :uh:
I agree with someone from before...saying that Wu only gets 2 new characters. Shu has got a lot but they have had the least characters in games before this one I guess.

I agree that Wei dont need any as they've got technically three new characters to their roster anyway....but i do think Wu deserve one more thats not a girl. (No offence to the ladies of the forum) There are enough girls in Wu and I think another important male needs to be introduced and I would say the best person for that wud be Zhu Ran, Cheng Pu or even Jiang Qin.

I think Jiang Qin wud be a good add for the later Wu as he is close to Sun Quan and defnitely Zhou Tai....

but thats just my opinion......but yeh Wu need another person..

and another thing....I WANT ZUO CI...lol...if we dont though i dont mind...no need to complain over a character that was only in the ROTK anyway....but itd be intresting for him to join....

CANT WAIT FOR THE GAME WHOOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edited by Roz3y, Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:21 pm.
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Yeah, I don't understand people who say: "WE NEEED MORE WEI CHARACTERZ!!!" Because.... WE DID get new Wei characters! We got precisely 6! The only catch is that 4 of them are considered to be Jin characters, but they DID serve Wei!
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Thing about DW7 I will admit is it seems to have the perfect storm for success. I can't help but use the transition from DW2 to DW3 to explain the improvements from DW6 to DW7.

Both DW2 and DW6 were the first games on the system and extremely short in the unique content area. Both lacked stages, musou modes, final weapons, things of that nature. Both had broken fighting schemes (with DW2 you never got a new weapon; you had 4 attacks and that was it. With DW6, well, one word; Renbu).

But now DW7 is a lot like DW3. Things we can say about both of them: lots of characters added. New potentially ground-breaking gameplay mode (original Musou Mode in DW3, and now Conquest mode in DW7). Final Weapons (initially created in DW3, brought back in DW7). + back to Charge-based gameplay with only slightly similar string attacks.

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Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:04 pm
Yeah, I don't understand people who say: "WE NEEED MORE WEI CHARACTERZ!!!" Because.... WE DID get new Wei characters! We got precisely 6! The only catch is that 4 of them are considered to be Jin characters, but they DID serve Wei!
Well, that's just...a very good point, actually :cool:
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The Jin characters from Wei are probably going to be a part of their former kingdom for a good portion of the game until Sima Yi defects, obviously.
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Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:15 pm
The Jin characters from Wei are probably going to be a part of their former kingdom for a good portion of the game until Sima Yi defects, obviously.
I knew that, but...it was always at the back of my mind, I guess :/
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Pang De was crap anyway. So there's going to be around 60 characters? I am hoping for Pang Tong and Liao Hua in Shu. That Yu Jin and Cao Pi's son (forgot his name) for Wei. For Wu well... 2 more like Zhu Ran or Cheng Pu but someone from the latter period as well. Jin well.. I've only just bought the novel so Jin surprise me. I personally have good hopes for this game. Kingdom mode seems awesome story mode. Conquest mode seems like a individual musou mode with stages set to be character specific (kinda like dream mode from WO2 except well more factual than fictional what if's). So one can assume Kingdom mode (frickin awesome collective story mode). Conquest mode (Individual musou mode/empire mode elements) and Free mode (do what the bloody hell you like mode). 60+ characters? Blimey.. you lot really are ungrateful... I was only expecting character roster similar as 5 with like what 5 more characters... Look what we got... 60+ characters and extra 50 or so years of gameplay.. (I consider Jin not to be a new faction as it just seems like Latter Wei to me). Overall I'd say Wei got the most characters if you think Jin is Wei (which I do). As for Wu... well good play on Koei's part to focus on early Wu... they didn't really do much later on... I'd agree with Koei on beefing up Shu, Wei and Jin as lets face it they were mostly significant in the story. So those 3 modes... AWESOME. S*** loada characters don't care who... THANK YOU... Kingdom story and individual story... THANK YOU :D. I am so excited... heck.. guys what do you think about DW7 XL and Empires? D'ya reckon in DW7 Xtreme Legends they'll add like Gongsunzan and Yuan Shu and other early players and stages with individual musou modes? :P. I mean to be honest if they're beefing up DW7 Soo much then I can expect the same with an expansion.. if they're adding this much then I'd expect awesome Individual musou modes for Other faction in DW7 XL and also couple more characters. Empires I want what someone said few pages back like a ROTK story empire mode/Historical empire mode/Make your own story empire mode. Guys I know DW6 was an epic fail but DW7 looks awesome and DW7XL and Empires give me lots of hope. Definite purchase for me! GO KOEI!
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Might I add to the discussion of musou modes, the less stories there are the better they will generally be. They have more time to focus on each story if there are not that many (i.e DW6 had much less stories than DW5, but they were generally considered much better). I heard SW3 has sort of been an exception to this rule, but can't really comment on that since I do not own it.

The point is, it's highly unlikely they will ever go back to individual stories in DW franchise. Assuming DW8 would have all characters from DW7 + many new ones, the kingdom musou is the way to go.
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Here's the thing about Jin and Wei characters. You play as them in Jin and Wei's Kingdom modes. Xiahou Ba, Guo Huai, Deng Ai, Zhuge Dan, and Zhong Hui will not be pulling double duty in the Wei story mode. They will likely show up as allies (and even then, probably only Guo Huai and maybe Xiahou Ba), and that's it. You might get to play as Sima Yi in Wei's Kingdom Mode, but I really don't know.

Shu gets 16 characters that you'll be able to play as during Kingdom Mode. Wu has 15. Wei, on the other hand, only has a paltry 13 assuming that everybody except Pang De is coming back. If Pang De is coming back, then it's 14, which I'm fine with, but with the kind of pre-234 talent they had, Wei should not have two less characters than Shu, who have to make up chicks like Xing Cai, Yue Ying, and Bao San Niang just to fill up their sad roster.
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Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:28 pm
Pang De was crap anyway. So there's going to be around 60 characters? I am hoping for Pang Tong and Liao Hua in Shu.
Pang Tong has been in dw for a long time already,do you mean someone else in shu?
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Yue Ying is awesome, and isn't fictional. <_<

Shu is just too big. Like way too big, it's weird. I would've preferred a larger Jin, but whatever.
To tell you the truth, I don't care what Koei does at this point.
I'm buying the game, end of story.
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Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:38 pm
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Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:28 pm
Pang De was crap anyway. So there's going to be around 60 characters? I am hoping for Pang Tong and Liao Hua in Shu.
Pang Tong has been in dw for a long time already,do you mean someone else in shu?
No I genuinely think Pang De Is crap and didn't play much of a part in the overall story. Did he play a part post Wu Zhang? Wait.. did he die before then? No I didn't mean a SHU character instead of Pang De (he was Wei anyway). I stand by my point that i'd like to see Liao Hua (He was SHU though he was a yellow turban at first, think of the possibilities.. the yellow turban only has one character and thats Zhang Jiao.. Im fed up of playing Yellow Turban Rebellion with the same Turbanised people.. Liao Hua is essential he was present in the yellow turban rebellion and he lived to see SHU's demise how can he not be here? :O He could have a model which isn't aged and another which is aged to the max :). As for Pang Tong well he played as much part as Pang De but Pang Tong is comedy which is great to lay off the intensity for a bit during Kingdom mode as to not get a heart attack. xD
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Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:44 pm
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Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:28 pm
Pang De was crap anyway. So there's going to be around 60 characters? I am hoping for Pang Tong and Liao Hua in Shu.
Pang Tong has been in dw for a long time already,do you mean someone else in shu?
No I genuinely think Pang De Is crap and didn't play much of a part in the overall story. Did he play a part post Wu Zhang? Wait.. did he die before then? No I didn't mean a SHU character instead of Pang De (he was Wei anyway). I stand by my point that i'd like to see Liao Hua (He was SHU though he was a yellow turban at first, think of the possibilities.. the yellow turban only has one character and thats Zhang Jiao.. Im fed up of playing Yellow Turban Rebellion with the same Turbanised people.. Liao Hua is essential he was present in the yellow turban rebellion and he lived to see SHU's demise how can he not be here? :O He could have a model which isn't aged and another which is aged to the max :). As for Pang Tong well he played as much part as Pang De but Pang Tong is comedy which is great to lay off the intensity for a bit during Kingdom mode as to not get a heart attack. xD
I think you misunderstood his post, or simply scanned it too quickly. All he said was Pang Tong is already in Shu as a unique. So he wouldn't really be new.
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Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:32 pm
Here's the thing about Jin and Wei characters. You play as them in Jin and Wei's Kingdom modes. Xiahou Ba, Guo Huai, Deng Ai, Zhuge Dan, and Zhong Hui will not be pulling double duty in the Wei story mode. They will likely show up as allies (and even then, probably only Guo Huai and maybe Xiahou Ba), and that's it. You might get to play as Sima Yi in Wei's Kingdom Mode, but I really don't know.

Shu gets 16 characters that you'll be able to play as during Kingdom Mode. Wu has 15. Wei, on the other hand, only has a paltry 13 assuming that everybody except Pang De is coming back. If Pang De is coming back, then it's 14, which I'm fine with, but with the kind of pre-234 talent they had, Wei should not have two less characters than Shu, who have to make up chicks like Xing Cai, Yue Ying, and Bao San Niang just to fill up their sad roster.
it was exactly what i want to post a few hours

arfff i always forget Cai Wenji in the roster, yes finaly 14 wei if we count pang de
that's why i realy doubt pang de can be cut (i hope so, because, finally it's was a character i liked)

i read some peoples say "he is cut, it's sure..." or "the returning characters have already been show scan after scan...so pang de don't come back"
but seriously, can't you wait for some true annoncements?

for zuo ci personaly, i don't realy care, i enjoy him too, but in view of the story mode... i don't realy think they can place him somewhere, there are enought interaction between characters
Edited by Lu-Jin, Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:10 am.
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