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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
Topic Started: Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:32 am (1,039,920 Views)
jsully16
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Limited edition cover would more likely have Zhao Yun, Xiahou Dun, SSX, and Sima Zhao on it, as those are the 4 cover boys of each kingdom.
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DW3Girl
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Popping in for a quick question, have there been pics/renders of the characters main weapons other than in the screen shots?
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TrevorxTravesty
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jsully16
Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:06 am
Limited edition cover would more likely have Zhao Yun, Xiahou Dun, SSX, and Sima Zhao on it, as those are the 4 cover boys of each kingdom.
Since when is SSX a boy? :sly: Well, since she's considered a 'tomboy', I guess so, but she seems more feminine this time around..
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was Zhuge Liang really that good in history and in the novel? I swear he is amazing in the games lol haha freaking genius!

I ask because I only know about the games!
Edited by Nashyy, Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:17 am.
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Flyentology
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JESUS CHRIST YES, I CAN'T BELIEVE ONE PERSON SUCCESSFULLY TURNED THIS THREAD UPSIDE DOWN. I AM LITERALLY LAUGHING SO MUCH, I LOVE IT. People like Divine Grace really exist? Why is he not banned yet?

I'm in the "Lady Bu would be a bad add" bandwagon. I'm also in the "Lady Wu would be a good add" bandwagon. I just don't see a reason for Lady Bu, isn't she Sun Quan's wife? Can they not find a way to make him interesting without her? He has so much potential, if they have to add his wife to actually do something with his story, I'd lose faith in Koei's story telling (not that it's ever been that great, aside from SW1).
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Tessen
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Lol @ everyone hating on Bao.

Her yoyos are great man chill off. :l
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Cao Hong 14
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Ya I agree with Bamboo and jsully with nearly everything they said earlier. sun quan doesn't need a wife and he would actually most likely be better without one. wu has enough females right now, they need another good long lived wu male like zhu ran. I'm just so sick and tired of koei adding all these females. nearly everyone one of them are just plain boring. all they do is follow their husbands around for the most part. the only thing koei can pull off properly with the females are the cleavage. if koei should add females make them interesting and unique. most of them were either never in the novel or barely mention so they for the most part aren't exactly important to the grand scheme of things but koei could at least try and do something useful with them. and I can't even fathom to think why in the world would koei pick guan suo(I know its just a rumor still). of all the choices with so much potential but they still decide it would be a good idea to pull guan suo out of the crowd and make him playable.
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Tessen
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Someone said this last time this was brought up, don't remember who it was but I'll repeat them.

If KOEI put in every single useful character to the series in one game then there'd be no reason to make sequels.

They need to think about the future games. So they add less important, yet, fun/different characters.

I think they've done enough this time around by adding the Simas, Ma Dai, Deng Ai, Ding Feng, etc.
Edited by Tessen, Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:17 am.
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Rakolai
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Who says that Lady Bu has to chase after her husband the whole game? Maybe she'll be portrayed as hanging in the background most of the time, offering him advice occasionally, but otherwise staying mostly out of the way.
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Flyentology
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Rakolai
Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:16 am
Who says that Lady Bu has to chase after her husband the whole game? Maybe she'll be portrayed as hanging in the background most of the time, offering him advice occasionally, but otherwise staying mostly out of the way.
No one says she has to, but that's certainly how Koei tends to portray wives in their games.
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Lord Yuan Shu
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If she stays out of his way, then what role does she have? As a standalone she's worth nothing. I guess she could have some scenes with the great Bu Zhi who's name probably registers with 15% of the RTK fan-base at best. So she'll have to stick around Sun Quan (which in turn drags him down and takes away from the important war-related stuff he did, leading Wu).

Edited by Lord Yuan Shu, Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:22 am.
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Solf Aetheral
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Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:55 am
I'm not argueing I'm just mad that people bash the females of koei so much epecially with Bao :realangry:
It's pretty difficult to not bash those with little to no historical interest.

Bao Sanniang, as an exemple, is pretty much a synonym of "useless". She steals a spot someone's better (and there's plenty) could have used.
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Tetsuo9999
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Why do I get the feeling that I'm going to get a huge ulcer when I do a live stream for this game?
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Sagittarius
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Everytime I go to check in here it's the same people whining and complaining about the same things.
I seriously don't get how people can consider Bu Furen to be a "bad add" when you don't even know what Koei has intended for her. Unfortunately it's safe to assume she's be "in it for her husband" but Wang Yuanji seems to be taking a different approach to that, so why wouldn't Bu Furen? I doubt they'd add her, which is already the most unexpected add so far, just to make her sit pretty in the background of Sun Quan's story.
And if Koei does indeed do that, then hey.. They had a chance to do something interesting and they didn't. But I think continuously complaining about the same thing over and over again before knowing anything concrete is pretty pointless.

Oh look, I got ranty.. :rolleyes: Sorry.

Anyway, I hope she doesn't have the crossbow. I'm hoping for something unique and inventive from Koei in terms of possible weapons. Though I'd take the crossbow over a shared weapon type. For sure.
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Lord Yuan Shu
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We can pretty much objectively prove Lady Bu and Bao Sanniang don't belong, but ultimately Koei is smart enough to know that too. So then we come to why are they adding these characters. If you look at Dynasty Warriors 4, 5 and now 7, you'll see that for 1 in every 3 or 4 new characters, the add will be a female.

DW7....Cai Wenji, Wang Yuanji, Bao Sanniang and potentially Lady Bu for this one (not even mentioning going out of their way to bring back Xing Cai and Zhu Rong). And there were what 15-16 new characters, so that more than falls in line with my 1 out of 3 / 1 out of 4 figure.

The other aspect of this is how bare the female cast was in DW2 and DW3. 0 Shu females. 1 Wei female. The Qiao's you barely ever saw in those games except for You Ting DW3. Something changed after DW3, Koei's marketing team probably surmised that more females = $, and also probably a new demographic (females + younger horny males, but I think it's clear there is a certain amount of people alienated by these adds too).
Edited by Lord Yuan Shu, Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:35 am.
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the last rain
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Solf Aetheral
Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:23 am
Divine Grace
Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:55 am
I'm not argueing I'm just mad that people bash the females of koei so much epecially with Bao :realangry:
It's pretty difficult to not bash those with little to no historical interest.

Bao Sanniang, as an exemple, is pretty much a synonym of "useless". She steals a spot someone's better (and there's plenty) could have used.
Meh, I'm pretty mild about it.

Bao had the ability to have a nice, creative story, due to her fictional nature.

Which I would have preferred over another girl character that followed like a pet.

But according to the description she will be a following wife.



As for divine grace. Hilarious trolling.
Edited by the last rain, Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:42 am.
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Sagittarius
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Tetsuo9999
Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:31 am
Why do I get the feeling that I'm going to get a huge ulcer when I do a live stream for this game?
Because you probably already started getting one just from reading through this.. :lol:

:ot: I owe you some 2002UM matches, by the way! Tomorrow if you're online when I am, I'm off to bed now. :wave:
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Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:36 am
Tetsuo9999
Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:31 am
Why do I get the feeling that I'm going to get a huge ulcer when I do a live stream for this game?
Because you probably already started getting one just from reading through this.. :lol:

:ot: I owe you some 2002UM matches, by the way! Tomorrow if you're online when I am, I'm off to bed now. :wave:
You're implying that I read through all this. I basically only come here twice a week at best these days. They still haven't 100% sold me on this game, either.
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Tessen
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The thing is guys... the only people getting mad about the female adds are the obsessed fanboys that will buy the game regardless.

Yes I'm talking about a LOT of you.

Meanwhile the female characters, like mentioned before, add a wider demographic so then they can find fansites like these and convert into brainwashed fanboys too.
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SRS
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In conclusion:

Females in DW = Angry fannerds who will still buy the game (albeit bitterly,) + a new bunch of people will play the game who otherwise wouldn't
No females in DW = Fannerds are happy, but the other group doesn't even exist now

Which path is the better one for Koei to take?
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Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:46 am
In conclusion:

Females in DW = Angry fannerds who will still buy the game (albeit bitterly,) + a new bunch of people will play the game who otherwise wouldn't
No females in DW = Fannerds are happy, but the other group doesn't even exist now

Which path is the better one for Koei to take?
I like all the females, I just don't think we need another

Bao already fills the role as completely useless
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Cover talk huh?

I personally hope they put all of the rulers of the kingdoms on the cover you know like Quan, Zhao, Bei, and Cao with Sima Zhao standing in the background overhead with the other three in the front. Or that thing with Zhao Yun and Xiahou Dun at the end of the trailer, yea.... that would be nice.
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Cao Hong 14
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the thing is which you didn't pick up is that yes I agree not every useful and good add should be put in 1 game. What I'm asking is not that koei puts in every good add in this game but that every character koei actually does put in this game is a good add. There are tons of good adds and too many to stuff in 1 game but that doesn't mean to stick bad adds in there just to fill up space. I would rather have only a few adds if they were all good versus if there were tons of characters added but nearly every one of them were boring and stupid. In other words for dw7 at this point I'm looking for quality not quantity.although quality and quantity together would be nice
Edited by Cao Hong 14, Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:53 am.
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Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:46 am
In conclusion: Females in DW = Angry fannerds who will still buy the game (albeit bitterly,) + a new bunch of people will play the game who otherwise wouldn't No females in DW = Fannerds are happy, but the other group doesn't even exist now Which path is the better one for Koei to take?
I know I know! *Rasies hand, stands up and answers*

The would choose Females in DW because angry fannerds would still buy the game! :sly: Do I get a treat for giving the correct answer? :hehe:

Edited by Celestial, Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:54 am.
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Lately this thread reeks of double standards,hypocrisy, and naive optimism. Its funny to see people contradict their own principles. On one hand you have people complaining without logical or legitimate reasons, on another hand you have people with concerns who calmly state them and give a rebuttal or logical reasons why they are concerned, on the last hand you have people who attack the previous two. These people that attack are filled with naive optimism about the game or company itself, they attack ANYONE stating ANYTHING negative about the game or the company, even if it is a VERY obvious flaw or lack of good judgment.

These people even nickname the site "Koei Worriers" looking down in a condescending way on people who worry or complain, pretending as though they never ever ever EVER complain themselves or question ANYTHING about the game. These people say the are "LOLING" at the people complaining, these people say they have to leave the thread, like it is so beneath them (yet they watch over it like vultures and actively participate in the incitement) Its funny to see these same people complain about something and no one attacks them, funny and full of hypocrisy.

In fact, it seems like a fad to attack anyone who dislikes a character design or a game feature period. Its almost like its done for attention or praise from the majority of naive optimists. Basically its "You don't like the herp derp air head pretty girl? Well you are stupid stop complaining" Or "Its ok when i complain because i've been here longer, but if you voice any opinion different than mine, i will exaggerate your complaint and discredit you while at the same time saying that i understand peoples opinions are different" You may be "loling" at the "haters" but im "loling" at the double standards.
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