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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
Topic Started: Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:32 am (1,039,919 Views)
Liu Bei 7
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Sheng Dao
Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:57 am
Lately this thread reeks of double standards,hypocrisy, and naive optimism. Its funny to see people contradict their own principles. On one hand you have people complaining without logical or legitimate reasons, on another hand you have people with concerns who calmly state them and give a rebuttal or logical reasons why they are concerned, on the last hand you have people who attack the previous two. These people that attack are filled with naive optimism about the game or company itself, they attack ANYONE stating ANYTHING negative about the game or the company, even if it is a VERY obvious flaw or lack of good judgment.

These people even nickname the site "Koei Worriers" looking down in a condescending way on people who worry or complain, pretending as though they never ever ever EVER complain themselves or question ANYTHING about the game. These people say the are "LOLING" at the people complaining, these people say they have to leave the thread, like it is so beneath them (yet they watch over it like vultures and actively participate in the incitement) Its funny to see these same people complain about something and no one attacks them, funny and full of hypocrisy.

In fact, it seems like a fad to attack anyone who dislikes a character design or a game feature period. Its almost like its done for attention or praise from the majority of naive optimists. Basically its "You don't like the herp derp air head pretty girl? Well you are stupid stop complaining" Or "Its ok when i complain because i've been here longer, but if you voice any opinion different than mine, i will exaggerate your complaint and discredit you while at the same time saying that i understand peoples opinions are different" You may be "loling" at the "haters" but im "loling" at the double standards.
I love how this post will likely attract the exact same thing you are talking down on and thus, further prove your point. So whether people agree or not, win-win.
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I just love when people hate on the girls when seriously Zuo Rong and SSX has more personality then half the guys in the game haha!

thats koeis fault though
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Sheng Dao
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Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:04 am
Sheng Dao
Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:57 am
Lately this thread reeks of double standards,hypocrisy, and naive optimism. Its funny to see people contradict their own principles. On one hand you have people complaining without logical or legitimate reasons, on another hand you have people with concerns who calmly state them and give a rebuttal or logical reasons why they are concerned, on the last hand you have people who attack the previous two. These people that attack are filled with naive optimism about the game or company itself, they attack ANYONE stating ANYTHING negative about the game or the company, even if it is a VERY obvious flaw or lack of good judgment.

These people even nickname the site "Koei Worriers" looking down in a condescending way on people who worry or complain, pretending as though they never ever ever EVER complain themselves or question ANYTHING about the game. These people say the are "LOLING" at the people complaining, these people say they have to leave the thread, like it is so beneath them (yet they watch over it like vultures and actively participate in the incitement) Its funny to see these same people complain about something and no one attacks them, funny and full of hypocrisy.

In fact, it seems like a fad to attack anyone who dislikes a character design or a game feature period. Its almost like its done for attention or praise from the majority of naive optimists. Basically its "You don't like the herp derp air head pretty girl? Well you are stupid stop complaining" Or "Its ok when i complain because i've been here longer, but if you voice any opinion different than mine, i will exaggerate your complaint and discredit you while at the same time saying that i understand peoples opinions are different" You may be "loling" at the "haters" but im "loling" at the double standards.
I love how this post will likely attract the exact same thing you are talking down on and thus, further prove your point. So whether people agree or not, win-win.
Pretty much. Sorry, I'm just not a big fan of people not having room to talk yet chastising people for something they themselves are guilty of. There's really no other way to point it out because they don't seem to realize it, so i'm going to seem like a jerk. Its like two people being thieves and one tries to tell the other not to steal and that they are bad, yet maintains an air of superiority, i just find that ridiculous.
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Paragon of Light
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Usually I just tend to ignore these arguments but they're so commonplace thats its hard not to. Females are in and all those cliches like they provide a new viewpoint etc.

I do hope that Bao can prove to be interesting. Maybe Koei can something creative with her instead of being athe stalker type. She's got an interesting weapon.

On the cover art, maybe we'll see Zhao Yun on one side and Xiahou Dun on the other like in the trailer while we see the rulers and various generals in the background.

Edit: Nonentheless, all parties involve with the trolling and arguments are gulity of something and in the wrong.
Edited by Paragon of Light, Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:14 am.
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Divine Grace
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Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:04 am
Divine Grace
Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:55 am
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Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:51 am
Divine Grace
Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:30 am
Did I ever say you couldn't be dissapointed about the three new female adds....NO
You implied you wanted me to stop talking about how disappointed I was. Therefore I said what I said. If you want to keep arguing, please feel free to PM me and continue the discussion. ^^ I feel bad festering up the thread with more... On the topic of who should be on the cover, I think since it's their first time being included some Jin folk may be chosen, but then again they could be on the back, which is most likely where the game case will note how a new force has been added. If anyone should be posterboy (Zhao Yun gets tiring), it should be Jiang Wei (along with some other non-Shu warriors)? He's practically new as in revived, isn't too muscular or scrawny, and represents the new time period well. He's also handsome. Yes, it'll favor Shu over others again, but since the game does focus on their battles against Jin it'll make sense. So, my ideal cover would be a battle scene where Jiang Wei is battling Deng Ai, with the faces of various important figures and rulers faded in the background, similar to the first Warriors Orochi.
I'm not argueing I'm just mad that people bash the females of koei so much epecially with Bao :realangry:
Chill out Divine Grace, i know you're mad because some peoples bash female characters, and trust me i've felt that before (i'am Da Qiao Big Fan) but as the time goes on i began to accept that people have their own opinion, so instead of angry, let's just discuss and share your fave.female characters here along with me: http://s13.zetaboards.com/koeiwarriors/topic/6756499/ i'm waiting for you there :)
Yay were going to be best friends :wub: :XD
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Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:31 am
Why do I get the feeling that I'm going to get a huge ulcer when I do a live stream for this game?
I wouldn't blame you if you decided to pass on livestreaming this game, really. I can imagine all the 'PLAY BAO SANNIANG' or 'PLAY DA QIAO, PLEEEEEEEASE' requests you're going to get, and after the ordeal with Strikeforce 2, I think it's okay if you sit out awhile. Don't let the lot of ungrateful fans ruin your experience of the game.

Besides, it's not like it's going to be months gap between the Japanese and overseas release...

Also the recent pages in this thread are hilarious! Never a bore here.
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Lord Yuan Shu
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A counter-argument for selling your soul to this demographic is DW3, because it sold so well and was rated highly with females having such a limited impact on the game. Diao Chan and Zhu Rong had one battle. Xiao Qiao and Da Qiao are barely seen for Wu on the battlegrounds outside of You Ting and Wu Territory. Free Mode Nu Wa. Only Zhen Ji and SSX were naturally in several battles in that game.

Just looking at Shu for example since DW3, they've had 3 female adds to 3 male adds. It's a pretty amazing transformation process really, females have came a long way. I don't mean that in a condescending way, just saying there was a time when things were different and they were barely a part of the game, more of a novelty. Koei has since made a concerted effort to make them more of a part of each kingdom.
Edited by Lord Yuan Shu, Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:19 am.
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Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:57 am
These people even nickname the site "Koei Worriers" looking down in a condescending way on people who worry or complain, pretending as though they never ever ever EVER complain themselves or question ANYTHING about the game.
I laughingly have called it Koei Worriers to some of my friends as i've lurked around, but i signed up so i can worry too. I don't know about anyone else, but i don't mean it in a condescending sense, as everyone (whose actually intelligent enough to do so) is always worried about unrevealed things, since it could go either way.

It's natural. I'm worried about the game too.

If you're not, you probably don't care enough about it to worry.

It's a series i've always loved to play since i started with renting dw2, and buying dw3. Going back and playing dw1 makes me glad i started with dw2! I worry for the future of it, i worry if i'll like the next installment. I'm worried if i'll enjoy aspects of it that aren't fully explained yet.

But i'm not just sitting around being a mess fretting over it all the time either. Maybe some people need more naive optimism. I may worry if it'll suck, but i also believe it won't, and i hope it'll be awesome. Other people (no one specifically!) should try this too.
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I don't worry about this game at all, I'm even fine with clones

But a lot of people have a lot of complains

I have only been able to sum up one complaint

Liu Bei doesn't have his mustache :(
Edited by Tails66, Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:26 am.
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Paragon of Light
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Maybe we are getting a little too philosophical here. This just a thread in a forum about a game afterall.

I wonder what the same tidbit of information is going to be this week. Some additional info on the game, a small 30 second gameplay video. Oh the possiblities.
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Sheng Dao
Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:57 am
Lately this thread reeks of double standards,hypocrisy, and naive optimism. Its funny to see people contradict their own principles. On one hand you have people complaining without logical or legitimate reasons, on another hand you have people with concerns who calmly state them and give a rebuttal or logical reasons why they are concerned, on the last hand you have people who attack the previous two. These people that attack are filled with naive optimism about the game or company itself, they attack ANYONE stating ANYTHING negative about the game or the company, even if it is a VERY obvious flaw or lack of good judgment. These people even nickname the site "Koei Worriers" looking down in a condescending way on people who worry or complain, pretending as though they never ever ever EVER complain themselves or question ANYTHING about the game. These people say the are "LOLING" at the people complaining, these people say they have to leave the thread, like it is so beneath them (yet they watch over it like vultures and actively participate in the incitement) Its funny to see these same people complain about something and no one attacks them, funny and full of hypocrisy. In fact, it seems like a fad to attack anyone who dislikes a character design or a game feature period. Its almost like its done for attention or praise from the majority of naive optimists. Basically its "You don't like the herp derp air head pretty girl? Well you are stupid stop complaining" Or "Its ok when i complain because i've been here longer, but if you voice any opinion different than mine, i will exaggerate your complaint and discredit you while at the same time saying that i understand peoples opinions are different" You may be "loling" at the "haters" but im "loling" at the double standards.
Thank you. your proving my point of me argueing in the first place :wub:
Edited by Divine Grace, Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:30 am.
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I would eat my own poo if Lu Bu had a jetpack.
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Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:04 am
I would eat my own poo if Lu Bu had a jetpack.
Lu Bu with a jetpack and scissors IMO
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He could fly around cutting peoples hair!
Everyone would look so nice!
Edited by Squidlipticus, Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:17 am.
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Lu Bu with a jetpack........... :crazy: :crazy:
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Squidlipticus
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It would be sweet if during a cutscene Lu Bu rips off his own face and underneath is a robot! Mecha-Bu would be an unstoppable force with his gun fingers and laser hat!
He would only cut hair on his days off. The jetpack is for giraffes.
Edited by Squidlipticus, Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:51 am.
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This forum is just like my Houston weather it changes so damn fast, it could be hot then its raining, then its cold, then its hot again. I guess thats why I come back to it.

Speaking of the weather it just went from clear skies to rain just that fast. :lol:
Edited by QZW, Mon Jan 24, 2011 8:25 am.
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Well this game isn't an automatic buy for me, though it's definately one when the price drops. I feel in terms of most development companies, Koei cares the least and puts the least effort into a generic product. Hack-and-slash games should be very easy to make, the only problem is the fanbase is small and thus not many attempts are made.

I have no doubt any action game developing company could take DW and make it spectacular with the resources they put into their own games, but Koei's the loner. Like Bethesda and the Elder Scrolls series. They pour their heart and souls and years of development into such a huge game, no one else has anything like it, and they reap the benefits. Koei should have learned more from DW6, as DW7 looks leaps and bounds better, but still nothing spectacular.
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Mon Jan 24, 2011 8:23 am
This forum is just like my Houston weather it changes so damn fast, it could be hot then its raining, then its cold, then its hot again. I guess thats why I come back to it.

Speaking of the weather it just went from clear skies to rain just that fast. :lol:
^This.

I realise a forum is all about giving your opinions, but people don't need to get rude just because someone disagrees =.="

ANYWHO!
I think I'm the only one who loved lu Bu's DW6 weapon thing? (idk how to explain it xD)
If he does get the halberd back, I just hope it's bigger, want him to be as badass as physically possible XD
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Bigger? Really? I thought DW6 Lu Bu was too much. He needs to go back to being DW4-5 size. His halberd was also massive at the highest levels anyway, and I hope they make his weapon the trident halberd, rather than the normal halberd.
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I think he should duel-wield buster swords that can connect at the hilt.
Edited by Squidlipticus, Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:00 am.
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Mon Jan 24, 2011 8:38 am
Hack-and-slash games should be very easy to make, the only problem is the fanbase is small and thus not many attempts are made.
Wanna get some proof and reasons to back up that bold claim?

The only thing easy here is that Koei has a crapton of assets they could've used, but they're always dropping them in favor of remaking everything. If they'd stop wasting time remaking every bloody thing, they could just put more resources on actually developing the system.

Though at least now it looks like they're finally learning something with some of the maps from DW6 showing up in this game. Seriously the amount of time they use to remake all the same frigging battles could be used on making new maps for new battles they hadn't done yet or on characters.
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Sheng Dao
Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:57 am
*Insert rant here*
I agree with you partly, people do have a right to post how they feeling and shouldn't e attacked over it. So how does having a go at those who put down negative comments make you any better than who you're against. It's possible to make that same point with out resorting to name-calling or making people sound stupid.

If you dot like what your seeing ignore it. Block certain posters even. Just don't write an overly long rant that just makes me need to scroll down to find more negative comments to bash :hmmm:
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Mon Jan 24, 2011 8:54 am
I think he should duel-wield buster swords that can connect at the hilt.
Like two Fu Xi swords if so that sounds grand.
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Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:46 am
In conclusion: Females in DW = Angry fannerds who will still buy the game (albeit bitterly,) + a new bunch of people will play the game who otherwise wouldn't No females in DW = Fannerds are happy, but the other group doesn't even exist now Which path is the better one for Koei to take?
^THIS!

I couldn't have said it better!

I feel like most of these *mature* posters are the ones causing all the problems. They tend to gang up on people, making them more angrier.

When are people going to realise that females are support characters?There might be one or two independent females; but still, that's more than enough.

So what if you don't feel that they serve *your* needs? There's people like me, who are in favor of that.

Why should it a necessity to make someone playable that's already in the game, compared to adding people that weren't there; adding new stories? I am also in favor of Koei adding characters who bring something new to the table, rather than wanting *this character* to act a certain way just because I've read the books/novels. If I in fact DID read/study them, I would have already known that Koei wasn't going strictly by history, nor Luo whoever; thus not acting like a baby when a warrior I may have enjoyed from a book not being playable :hmmm:



People actually hate having someone fictional because *they* feel like they were useless when they have no idea how good they can be. Why not compare the good adds we've got so far to what you feel as *useless* adds, I'm sure the good ones WILL outway your egos -_-
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