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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
Topic Started: Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:32 am (1,039,903 Views)
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Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:16 pm
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Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:34 pm
I'd just like to first again make the assertion that Sun Quan has never been "neglected" with the exception of Dynasty Warriors 4 (and 3 until you finish his musou mode). In Dynasty Warriors 5 and 6, he gets all the attention he deserves, and you've never responded to one of my posts pointing out just how much attention he gets in those games. Second, despite Yuan Shu's infamy, the Sun family weren't really the types to execute defenseless people like Yuan Yao and his sister. I think a large part of why Yuan Shu's daughter became Sun Quan's wife was due to Sun Ce and Sun Quan's fondness for Yuan Yao, which overcame the stigma that being Yuan Shu's child had attached to it. Plus, diminished though it was, Yuan Shu came from a large clan with a lot of assets, and the more large clans the Sun family could peacefully assimilate into their own, the better off they'd be (which is exactly what they did with the Lu's, the Zhu's, and the Gu's).
Sorry, I'm on for only a few hours a day and sometimes only a few times a week so I may have missed what you said in the past. I'm sure you made good points since you seem like an intelligent person.

Though I still stand that he was neglected in the latest games. DW5 was a good turning point but DW6 took what progress DW5 made and threw it into the garbage. Seriously, Sun Shang Xiang and Sun Jian got a Musou over him. I fail to see why any of them needed a musou. Especially since Sun Shang Xiang's story could be told through Liu Bei and Sun Quan while Sun Jian didn't even get his death. Instead he got a huge what if where he lived many years past his time. Even when Sun Quan was mentioned in DW6 it was either of these...

1) Lackey to Super Daddy who never grows to any importance.
2) Little Brother that isn't trusted with important task by Super Big Bro.
3) Defeated Big Bro by Baby Sister.
4) Defeated Pretty Boy.
5) Land conquered but Lu Xun ends up ruling it as Prime Minister and Sun Quan delegated to Jiang Dong. It was like they used Lu Xun as a poor excuse on why they didn't flesh out the First Emperor of Wu.

Yes, yes... The Sun family is honorable but I'm still surprised that the Yuan family under Yuan Shu wasen't put to death. After all, he claimed himself as an Emperor and directly defied the Puppet Han Court. Tradition would have demanded that all living kin should have died with the traitor. Surprised that Yuan Shao wasen't proclaimed a traitor than since he did fancy ideas of saving Yuan Shu for whatever he had in mind for him.
Here's what I said about Sun Quan in DW6:

Sure, he didn't get a musou mode, but look at Sun Ce. Neither did he. At the same time, however, his musou mode would probably have been the exact same as Zhou Yu's. And Sun Jian gets a musou not because he's more important - you never fight against Sun Jian unless you're playing as Diao Chan, anyway - but because it allows KOEI to have a vastly different story for the Wu folks.

Lu Xun, Gan Ning, Ling Tong, Taishi Ci, and to a lesser extent, SSX's musou modes are all Sun Quan musou modes. Sun Quan has a different, radical new ideal for the land, and in Lu Xun's story especially, he gets a lot of credit for being a visionary who dares to dream of peace in a time of war. Even in SSX's musou, we see her come to the realization that even though Sun Quan isn't as heroic and brave as Ce (and let's face it, he wasn't), that doesn't make him any less worthy of respect.

Having a musou mode does not equal being given preferential treatment. Sun Quan was awesome in DW6, much more so than in the previous games. Hell, in Zhou Yu's musou mode, he's the only one Sun Ce trusts to rule the land while he's gone. In Taishi Ci's musou mode, we see all of his officers willing to fight and die for him with the exception of Taishi Ci, who's the only one disappointed that Wu didn't finish off Cao Cao.

Sun Quan in DW6 is brilliant. He's youthful and energetic, and he has a motivation that's completely unique among all the other rulers. He ends up being the most forward thinking out of any of them - he realizes that it doesn't matter if China is united under one ruler or not. What's important is that there isn't any war and that the people don't suffer. And he's not "subservient" to Lu Xun. Lu Xun's role is just expanded to cover not only Wu, but Wei and Shu as well. Sun Quan is the ruler of Wu, Zhuge Liang (or Liu Shan, but he doesn't show up in the game anyway) is the ruler of Shu, Cao Pi is the ruler of Wei, and Lu Xun is the link that helps maintain peace and prosperity. Without any one of those four, things fall apart, so they're all equally important.

And as for Sun Jian's story mode: really, there isn't a single story mode in Dynasty Warriors besides his where it'd be plausible to restore the Han. It's a very unique story, and much more different than what they could have told with Sun Quan.

Besides, you know full well he'll be getting his dues in DW7. Sun Jian and Sun Ce will both croak early, and Sun Quan will be ruler of Wu for the vast majority of the game.
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Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:18 pm
Are we getting info today from famitsu, cause i remember someone mentioning that we were suppose to get info every week this month. :huh:
It seems the small amount of informations of this week would rather come with the weekly update of the official website, so don't expect anything from Famitsu.

Considering someone got info about the pandas, I bet those will be revealed this week ;)

There are high probabilities that next week Famitsu will show some characters and a new game functionnality.
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I wanna see Big Papa Jian soooo bad. He is going to put all those young'uns in their place. RESPECT!!

He had the best moveset in DW6. Any chance it will translate over like Zhou Yun's?
Edited by Squidlipticus, Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:22 am.
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Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:08 am
I wanna see Big Papa Jian soooo bad. He is going to put all those young'uns in their place. RESPECT!!
Papa Sun Jian is also sexy in many ways :XD
I love his English VA, very manly, unlike Sun Quan's Japanese Seiyuu lmao, very squeeky :/

If i can list all sexiest voices in both DW/SW series, it will include (Both English and Japanese VA's)

*Zhao Yun
*Sun Wukong
*Sun Ce
*Magoichi Saika (This man is the SEX god)
*Sun Jian
*Ling Tong
*Taishi Ci
*Fu Xi
*Sima Zhao
*Zhong Hui
*Muneshige Tachibana
*Nagamasa Azai (I prefer his SW2 English voice than SW3, he sounded very squeeky..)
*Kiyomasa Kato
*Motonari Mori

and finally...

XIAHOU DUN :heart:

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off topic, i know, but i must say it :XD
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I've come up with a list of possible Animal Companions for DW7:

Bulls or Oxen
Boars
Crocodiles
Hawks or Eagles
Dragons (lol)
Monkeys
Wolves

Confirmed:
Horses
Tigers
Elephants
Pandas
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Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:45 am
I've come up with a list of possible Animal Companions for DW7:

Bulls or Oxen
Boars
Crocodiles
Hawks or Eagles
Dragons (lol)
Monkeys
Wolves

Confirmed:
Horses
Tigers
Elephants
Pandas
Giraffes.
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Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:45 am
I've come up with a list of possible Animal Companions for DW7:

Bulls or Oxen
Boars
Crocodiles
Hawks or Eagles
Dragons (lol)
Monkeys
Wolves

Confirmed:
Horses
Tigers
Elephants
Pandas
Tigers were confirmed...when? Though the fact that their in most DW games(or was it two can't remember lol?) it should be in 7.
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Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:51 am
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Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:45 am
I've come up with a list of possible Animal Companions for DW7:

Bulls or Oxen
Boars
Crocodiles
Hawks or Eagles
Dragons (lol)
Monkeys
Wolves

Confirmed:
Horses
Tigers
Elephants
Pandas
Tigers were confirmed...when? Though the fact that their in most DW games(or was it two can't remember lol?) it should be in 7.
Oh.... Perhaps they weren't... For some reason I thought they were. Does someone else know?
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I don't see a reason why a tiger wouldn't be in the game.
I would prefer to have it as bodyguard than ride it though.
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I'm sure we can have both tigers for riding and tigers for gaurding. It would be nice.
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@BluuJay: Let's hope their in DW 7 though.


I got a question, in each reveal so far, has there been atleast one new character?
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Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:59 am
@BluuJay: Let's hope their in DW 7 though. I got a question, in each reveal so far, has there been atleast one new character?
Yes with each bacth of characters at least one new character have been there.
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Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:00 am
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Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:59 am
@BluuJay: Let's hope their in DW 7 though. I got a question, in each reveal so far, has there been atleast one new character?
Yes with each bacth of characters at least one new character have been there.
I wonder if they doing on purpose but it could be a coincidence.
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Of course they're doing it on purpose.
Koei likes to torture the fans.

And with at least 1 new character per release, next character release will be the decision maker if the list is true or false.
I'm actually hoping it's true. <_<
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The only bacth that had only one new character was with the new Wei add. The others have had more.
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Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:13 am
The only bacth that had only one new character was with the new Wei add. The others have had more.
Nope, Ding Feng was alone.
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So 1 new character per release. Shouldn't the next one, if the list is true....
Be Bu Furen, or Guan Suo. (Most likely Bu Furen, since people are guessing Wu heavy.)

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Ahh ok though it's still hard to believe that they would show all of the new kingdom already. If people know what I'm talking about.


@dancingswan: You should hope for lady wu instead :hehe: but umm yea people are guessing it'll be wu heavy I even think it'll be wu heavy.
Edited by Reverie, Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:20 am.
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Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:14 am
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The only bacth that had only one new character was with the new Wei add. The others have had more.
Nope, Ding Feng was alone.
I forgot aout that one. :hehe:

Anyway, I'm sure its Wu's turn agian, if they are following an order, which it seems they are doing. The moment of truth awaits! :ph43r:
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Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:17 am
So 1 new character per release. Shouldn't the next one, if the list is true....
Be Bu Furen, or Guan Suo. (Most likely Bu Furen, since people are guessing Wu heavy.)

There has been more than 1 new character per scan more times than there hasn't been. If the rumor is true Lady Bu will probably be first and Guan Suo will be second. But if its not true, I would think they would have more than 1 new character in the final scan like any smart marketer would do.
Edited by Liu Bei 7, Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:22 am.
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I'm betting that (if the rumor is true) we'll see Guan Suo next.
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They just revealed a new character for Shu last week. I doubt it.
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Liu Bei 7 I think I already said this but if that list isn't true I hope your wishlist comes true maybe one more Wei add like li dian and/or yuan shu. Almost forgot cheng pu but that's like asking for a miracle lls.
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I meant "at least 1." I'm not saying they can't both appear.
But I could see Koei doing that, to keep fans "guessing" for the next batch.

I could see Bu Furen coming with Sun's (especially Sun Quan.)
And Guan Suo coming with Guan Yu, and Guan Ping.
But this if the list is true. (Adding this for all the anti-bufuren's and anti-guansuo's.)

Or Koei could confuse us and swap it. Bu Furen with the Guans. Suo with the Sun's.
GOING TOO IN DEPTH, HURTING MY HEAD. :sad:
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Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:24 am
Liu Bei 7 I think I already said this but if that list isn't true I hope your wishlist comes true maybe one more Wei add like li dian and/or yuan shu. Almost forgot cheng pu but that's like asking for a miracle lls.
Me too Reverie, me too. I just don't know though. I am starting to believe this rumor and have already coped with it for the most part. If it is true, hopefully we will see those people as DLC or DW8.
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