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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
Topic Started: Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:32 am (1,039,897 Views)
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Lady Yuan dosent have much to work off of (besides being the daughter of Yuan Shu) also she was murdered HELLO!!!!!!!!!!.... bad thing to put cause technically they will halfta add Lady Pan (who btw is a b i t c h) who slandered her to Sun Quan, also to picture Sun Quan killing her no thanks. All in all cant take away from the fact that Sun Quan is least fav of the Sun family ( not to mention i agree with the whole no persona some one quoted earlier), hope this time SSX sticks him with an arrow like she was suppose to in DW6, sry but Sun Quan also came off to me as a Prick lol
Well, that's a compelling way to die I guess. Remember Lady Bu died early too so they'll be fabricating her story too if they have her live long. They could cut the murder scene out or make it PG, DW-style. Either way like I said, Lady Yuan or Lady Bu they'd be fabricating the story and having them live longer than they should anyway, so how their deaths occurred in the novel isn't entirely relevant to how they would play out in this game. Lady Yuan might just have the Yuan Family ties outside of her Sun Quan relationship, but what then does Lady Bu have? Her relationship with Sun Quan, and being hailed as an empress... even though she died young (so, not quite sure how that equates to her having more value in the series). Maybe Sun Quan loved her more, but again, what else does she bring to the other 60+ characters? Nothin... And the 800 pound elephant in the room is that Koei said Wu Kingdom Musou Mode would not go late in the years. This is why I put more value to Lady Yuan because early on she is capable of so much more relationship / story wise than Lady Bu. So while they'll probably be in battles vs. Jin in Jin's musou mode, it's possible their kingdom mode doesn't go as far (Koei implied as much at least). That's a big hit to what Lady Bu can do, as her late-years stuff would be what could propel her character.
Lady Bu is obviously better than adding Lady Yuan. Besides Sun Shang Xiang, when has relationships with other characters ever counted for anything? Sure Xing Cai had a thing with Guan Ping, but that was mostly because Liu Chan wasn't there, so he had to fill Chan's spot. Females are all about one-hit wonders. As I posted before about Lady Bu, which many choosing to ignore, Lady Bu was loved among the troops, who even claimed her as empress, and she most favored to Sun Quan. She also almost gets made to be empress, but loses her chance on such a short-lived life. Lady Yuan will offer nothing, but being related to someone that was put down and who didn't even last that long.


All in all, Koei could do more with Bu than they could with Yuan.
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Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:52 am
I remember a while back there was a rumour on 2ch that costumes from DW4 & 5 would be DLC. Does anyone know if this was said by the same guy who provided the roster leaks?
I just randomly thought of it and I'm hoping the source is credible.. I seriously need to play as Zhen Ji with her DW4 costume in HD. :rolleyes:
I second this. They can fit so much on a Blu-Ray disc!

Although, I wish that rumor encompassed DW3 costumes too...

The reason for blue rays MASSIVE size is JUST for uncompressed 'Hd'(lol) Audio!

No idea where people get the idea they get more! It's the same with hd-DVDs and blue ray! Was just the audio :)))

So don't get your hopes up!
Um....are you saying that blu rays hold as much as HD-dvd? or plain dvd?

Omg I hope I read you wrong cuz you sound horribly ignorant right here. Do some research. I work in film and film is shot in 2000k which for an hour movie is about 100 gigs. Its then compressed to around 30gigs for blu ray. The audio is taken from a mixer seperate from video and usually only fills around 500 megs if that! If you add Dts and dolby 7.1 it goes to around 1 gig....

A dual layer blu ray is 50gigs......hd-dvd was a waste as it was only a lil bigger then dvd.

Now on the topic of this game, they could of made massive amounts of levels, costumes, all kinds of stuff.....but then they announced it for 360.....so no such luck. Since the 360 is stuck with dvd
Absolutely agree with you. Good explained.
Especially the last part of your post. A pity, that Koei haven't let it "PS3 Exclusive".
Maybe they knew, that the fans would expect much more stuff for the game. But Koei haven't. And then, they decided to make it for XB 360 as well.
Or, they have actually more stuff. But they thought about the business, and to make that game "more selling" by transfering it to the XB too. And the "other stuff" they're revealing it as DLC later.
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As I posted before about Lady Bu, which many choosing to ignore, Lady Bu was loved among the troops, who even claimed her as empress, and she most favored to Sun Quan. She also almost gets made to be empress, but loses her chance on such a short-lived life. Lady Yuan will offer nothing, but being related to someone that was put down and who didn't even last that long.
Not as good as:
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The only one I'd like to see added would be Lady Yuan, because having her around might make Yuan Shu's inclusion more likely. That, and I think it'd be pretty neat if she was a stern, serious warrior chick loyal to her father but slowly started growing attached to Sun Quan after Yuan Shu's death.
Her ties to her father and her husband are what make her so much better. We don't neen another waifu, as Lambo so eloquently puts it.
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I was pushing for Yuan Shu's daughter for years along with Yuan Shu himself.
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As I posted before about Lady Bu, which many choosing to ignore, Lady Bu was loved among the troops, who even claimed her as empress, and she most favored to Sun Quan. She also almost gets made to be empress, but loses her chance on such a short-lived life. Lady Yuan will offer nothing, but being related to someone that was put down and who didn't even last that long.
Not as good as:
Little Conqueror of Jiang Dong
 
The only one I'd like to see added would be Lady Yuan, because having her around might make Yuan Shu's inclusion more likely. That, and I think it'd be pretty neat if she was a stern, serious warrior chick loyal to her father but slowly started growing attached to Sun Quan after Yuan Shu's death.
Her ties to her father and her husband are what make her so much better. We don't neen another waifu, as Lambo so eloquently puts it.
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I think it'd be pretty neat if she was a stern, serious warrior chick loyal to her father but slowly started growing attached to Sun Quan after Yuan Shu's death.


The thing is, that completely made up. I mean of course that might sound better to people, but it's just a thought. That's not really going to happen if Lady Yuan was added :facepalm: . Lady Bu just has more to actually go from considering her circumstances.
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As I posted before about Lady Bu, which many choosing to ignore, Lady Bu was loved among the troops, who even claimed her as empress, and she most favored to Sun Quan


But what do any of these factors do for her in this game?.

Zhen Ji in DW6 is a good example of the point I'm trying to prove. Besides being in Wei she was able to give Yuan Shao some support in Guan Du and make that battle more interesting, because of her relationship with Yuan Xi.

Lady Bu would follow Sun Quan around the entire game. My point is that they could have Lady Yuan do this same exact thing, but also have her be a dynamic figure for a budding kingdom in Yuan Shu's. And by budding I mean within the franchise; with their battles in DW6 it's pretty clear Yuan Shu's faction is getting a push in DW, so to add a playable character to that would be a big deal. More so than adding another character to these kingdoms that already have a plethora of playables.

And again Lady Yuan could do both, have a short stay with the Yuan's early on as an enemy-only and then go to Wu for the later half of her time. What's more, Lady Yuan would be a presence in later DW's as a rare playable for Yuan Shu's kingdom when Other kingdoms are given some attention, which I think we all know will happen at some point.

I think those are much more relevant factors to this game, a game about the battles / gameplay / army commanders than about who was loved more by Sun Quan or her soldiers. ( either way they would convey Sun Quan as loving Lady Yuan or Lady Bu, it's not like the average fan who doesn't even know either of them before seeing this game would differentiate. Furthermore those factors pale in comparison to what this game is really about, which is about making the battles more compelling. And with a dynamic character like Lady Yuan that can play a role for multiple kingdoms especially one that is lacking, she can do what Lady Bu would do and then some. Besides, Wu has three nice females. Why not add an edgier one instead of a superfluous personality?

And if we really wanted to get down to it we all know Lady Wu would be more valuable than both of them, so really Lady Bu should be at best third in line for a Wu choice. This is probably going to be the Wu update this Monday so it will be telling, no doubt. I will say lucky for you the rumor is probably right, but that doesn't mean it's the right choice for this game / series. You need to think more in line with that then novel characteristics...what is applicable for the game? I think I made it clear above.

edit - also correct me if I'm wrong but is this the same Lady Yuan that was trying to connect with Lu Bu at Yuan Shu's last moment, but was captured?
Edited by Lord Yuan Shu, Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:07 pm.
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The thing is, that completely made up. I mean of course that might sound better to people, but it's just a thought. That's not really going to happen if Lady Yuan was added :facepalm: . Lady Bu just has more to actually go from considering her circumstances.
Tell me, how many of the characters in Dynasty Warriors are actually the same as what they were said to be historically?
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Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:22 pm
Sometimes she's listed as Xiahou Yuan's niece, sometimes his daughter, but Lady Xiahou was a captive bride. I'll decide on Bao after I've played as her...but I'd rather have Pang De back than any new female add (except Cai Wenji, but she's not technically new)
Lady Xiahou was Xiahou Yuan's Daughter.
Technically making Xiahou Ba....Xing Cai's uncle....
WEIRD. :facepalm:

I mean Ba is a such a baby face, and Xing Cai looks older than him. (In-game of course.)
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edit - also correct me if I'm wrong but is this the same Lady Yuan that was trying to connect with Lu Bu at Yuan Shu's last moment, but was captured?
No, I think it was Lu Bu's daughter (Lu Linqui) who should have been married to Yuan Shu's son.

About the other things you wrtote above I completely agree. Lady Yuan would be a more interesting choice than Lady Bu.
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A bit late to the party.
So what was the mini update? If there was any.
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The thing is, that completely made up. I mean of course that might sound better to people, but it's just a thought. That's not really going to happen if Lady Yuan was added :facepalm: . Lady Bu just has more to actually go from considering her circumstances.
Tell me, how many of the characters in Dynasty Warriors are actually the same as what they were said to be historically?
What I'm saying is that Koei has more qualities that they could pull from from Bu's counterpart rather than Yuan being related to a self-proclaimed ruler. We already have two females that already share the opposing forces relationships; Sun Shang Xiang and Zhen Ji. We can clearly see that Koei doesn't know how to handle those type of characters very well, will adding another help the situation?

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Giving Lady Yuan Bu's personality would be beyond crazy, for the simple fact that it's Bu's history, not Yuan's. Taking what someone was noted for and giving it to a bland character isn't really that fair. Yuan shu was put down too quickly for Lady Yuan to really have anything going for her. Plus, we have enough flip-floppers :hmmm:
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A bit late to the party.
So what was the mini update? If there was any.
Up to this point there was no update. I guess we all have to be patient until the site is updated :/
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As sexist as this sounds, but I think we have ENOUGH women already. If any should be added, I think Yuan Shu for others, Cao Zhang for Wei, Xu Sheng and Zhu Ran for Wu.
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Should point out Lady Yuan was also noted for outright rejecting being chosen by Sun Quan as Empress(since she believed Sun Quan's other wives were more appropriate for the position since she was unable to bear him any children, despite being his favorite concubine) and was unpretentious and had good personal integrity. In fact was noted for being rather different from her father Yuan Shu. Also the other concubines like Lady Pan were jealous of her and slandered her to Sun Quan.

So for those of you being ignorant and slamming Lady Yuan for being "bland" or "having nothing to work with" this is actually MORE material than what Lady Bu has.
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We already have two females that already share the opposing forces relationships; Sun Shang Xiang and Zhen Ji. We can clearly see that Koei doesn't know how to handle those type of characters very well, will adding another help the situation?


Clearly see they don't know how to handle these types of characters? Not sure this point makes any sense when you consider Zhen Ji joins Cao Cao just like Zhang He does, after the Guan Du / Yuan Shao campaign. And I don't hear anyone say that doesn't work well for Zhang He.

Zhang He is another brilliant example of why adding a playable to a less-fortunate kingdom is a good thing. Since DW3 he has been a playable and a fun character to face on Guan Du when you're Cao Cao's army. Plain and simple the more playables on these smaller forces the better.

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Giving Lady Yuan Bu's personality would be beyond crazy, for the simple fact that it's Bu's history, not Yuan's. Taking what someone was noted for and giving it to a bland character isn't really that fair. Yuan shu was put down too quickly for Lady Yuan to really have anything going for her.


When did I say anything about taking her personality? I said take her role as Sun Quan's female in Wu after serving for Yuan Shu. As far as Yuan Shu going early, well it wasn't much earlier than Yuan Shao or Sun Ce. Still like I said she could serve Yuan Shu and then go to Wu. Maybe join Yuan Shu at Hu Lao Gate / Si Shui Gate, then on the Shu battle from DW6 that they might bring back. She'd have some value before joining Sun Quan and then doing the same thing Lady Bu did (remember they both died early so it's not like having Lady Yuan go later on with Sun Quan would be any less fictional than doing it with Bu).
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As sexist as this sounds, but I think we have ENOUGH women already. If any should be added, I think Yuan Shu for others, Cao Zhang for Wei, Xu Sheng and Zhu Ran for Wu.
I agree with the female part... I don't mean to sound sexist either, but we have enough females already. I don't care for Lady Bu and I don't care for Dong Bai either.... The only female I really care about is Ma Yunlu but I only want her in the game if she replaces Bao Sanniang.

Lets get some REAL Dynasty Warriors, like Liao Hua, Li Dian, Cao Hong, Zhang Yi, Cheng Pu, Zhu Ran, etc etc... I could go on for hours.
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Should point out Lady Yuan was also noted for outright rejecting being chosen by Sun Quan as Empress(since she believed Sun Quan's other wives were more appropriate for the position since she was unable to bear him any children, despite being his favorite concubine) and was unpretentious and had good personal integrity. In fact was noted for being rather different from her father Yuan Shu. Also the other concubines like Lady Pan were jealous of her and slandered her to Sun Quan. So for those of you being ignorant and slamming Lady Yuan for being "bland" or "having nothing to work with" this is actually MORE material than what Lady Bu has.
:hmmm: Considering what everyone had posted about her so far, what do you expect?


Well to be honest, they almost sound the same. But I would prefer a female loved amongst the people, rather than every female being a favorite :facepalm: The fact that Koei could also play Lady Bu on the tragic side, makes me prefer her over Yuan. I mean sure she rejected being Empress, but that wouldn't really add anything special to DW because considering how more capable Bu was than her.


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And with a dynamic character like Lady Yuan that can play a role for multiple kingdoms especially one that is lacking, she can do what Lady Bu would do and then some.


If she can do what Lady Bu would do, that's pretty much taking her personality and giving it to someone else.

What I meant by Koei not doing well with characters that defect, is that we get nothing from the defected side. Like Yuan Xi for instance, we get nothing from him; not even a squabble and that was his wife. All we know is that Cao Pi wanted her, so he took her. As far as comparing males via females being taken from other forces, that's on a completely different level considering how much more important males role were. Females on the other hand, are handled poorly when it comes to having qualities to whether or not where exactly they want to be. Zhen Ji had no problem and never even mentions anything about her previous affiliation. Koei just turned Sun Shang upside-down with all of these random stories, when she could have the best one yet.


What will Lady Yuan offer from being in Yuan Shu's faction? They were already put down before she was even considering to be married to quan.
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I bet we'll see Sun Jian, Sun Quan, and Zhu Ran/Cheng Pu if the list isn't true, Xu Huang/Xu Zhu, Cao Pi, and Wei Yan next batch.



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Well to be honest, they almost sound the same. But I would prefer a female loved amongst the people, rather than every female being a favorite :facepalm: The fact that Koei could also play Lady Bu on the tragic side, makes me prefer her over Yuan. I mean sure she rejected being Empress, but that wouldn't really add anything special to DW because considering how more capable Bu was than her.
1. Was never said about Lady Bu.
2. How is Lady Yuan rejecting the Empress position in liu of Empress Pan and then STILL getting slandered and murdered by her NOT tragic?
3. How the heck was Lady Bu more capable. There's no records of her actually DOING anything besides not being jealous. Lady Yuan was noted for personal integrity(which cannot be construed if she did nothing) and for rejecting the position of Empress when Sun Quan asked.
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I am carrying on the conversation about my post on death years. yes I was being very generous. ling tong lives to 237 but because of the lack of long lived wu characters he may be needed to fill up some space. zhu ran died in 248/249 historically and 222 novel wise. but koei often ignores the novel even though thats what the game is based on. cao pi died in 226 yet we still see him at wuzhang plains, heck we still see guan ping and xiahou dun way beyond their deaths and even in dw6 we saw dian wei at fan castle. so again because of lack of long lived wu characters its likily that if zhu ran was added they would keep him alive to when he had control of the whole wu army later. sun quan was actually a later era character, he lived till 253. I know wei yan died in 234 but koei could keep him alive a bit longer for some late era battles and then have a separate stage later on where he rebels but that is very unlikely. its already been stated that ma dai will be post wuzhang, it says he lives on to fight with jiang wei against jin in his bio(I think). sorry ya I did forget xing cai. Yes we do have enough girls in dw. Ya they can be interesting but nearly all of them are so poorly executed that they are boring and just follow their husbands around. I would like that to stop, and I would love to see some more males that are actually useful to stages like wen yang who I am still greatly waiting for.
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Well to be honest, they almost sound the same. But I would prefer a female loved amongst the people, rather than every female being a favorite :facepalm: The fact that Koei could also play Lady Bu on the tragic side, makes me prefer her over Yuan. I mean sure she rejected being Empress, but that wouldn't really add anything special to DW because considering how more capable Bu was than her.
1. Was never said about Lady Bu. 2. How is Lady Yuan rejecting the Empress position in liu of Empress Pan and then STILL getting slandered and murdered by her NOT tragic? 3. How the heck was Lady Bu more capable. There's no records of her actually DOING anything besides not being jealous. Lady Yuan was noted for personal integrity(which cannot be construed if she did nothing) and for rejecting the position of Empress when Sun Quan asked.
Yes, I'm very sure I've read that somewhere. Something told me to copy and paste it here, but I thought nothing of it considering how skeptical her addition was. Lady Yuan could only be tragic if Lady Pan was involved, and I doubt Koei would take the time out to add a female behind the scenes just to kill Yuan; when there's the perfectly good Lady Bu who could have her moment of tragedy without an addition of someone else. I just find a woman with an influence of troops to be more interesting considering how Koei have yet to add this type of female.

It could go both ways with Yuan declining Empress and Bu dying before receiving it; at least Sun Quan regretted it not making her one. Either or is good for me. I mean, look how notorious her daughter was, surely that counts for something; if anything, it's a bit ironic ^_^

The fact that Bu appears on the rumored list gives me reason to defend her addition. i think Yuan would be an okay add, but not a must have.
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Lady Bu is a perfectly fine add. End of discussion.
It's not like their adding servant lady #11.

Lady Bu was also said to be Sun Quan's favorite, great reason to add her right there.

Anyways, knowing Koei. If they added Sun Luban later on in the series. They would put Lady Yuan as her mother. And everyone would most likely swap saying they want Bu Furen in the game.
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As sexist as this sounds, but I think we have ENOUGH women already. If any should be added, I think Yuan Shu for others, Cao Zhang for Wei, Xu Sheng and Zhu Ran for Wu.
I agree with the female part... I don't mean to sound sexist either, but we have enough females already. I don't care for Lady Bu and I don't care for Dong Bai either.... The only female I really care about is Ma Yunlu but I only want her in the game if she replaces Bao Sanniang.

Lets get some REAL Dynasty Warriors, like Liao Hua, Li Dian, Cao Hong, Zhang Yi, Cheng Pu, Zhu Ran, etc etc... I could go on for hours.
I agree 100%! This game should be about the WARRIORS, not who they happened to be sleeping with at the time.
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O God what have I started XD. Anyway, I was reading empresses and consorts and found that after Lady Bu's death Quan asked to become empress Lady Yuan for but she rejected it. :/

I really can't decide on which one. I find that both can bring something good to the table. Dang it! WHy couldn't have been Lady Wu. :P

Edit: Please, there are plenty of males running around already that are important to the era. One more lady won't hurt.
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