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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
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XthemastaX
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Lu Bu's defeat has enraged Diaochan!
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Haha, this is some funny crap.
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Reverie
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XthemastaX
Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:58 pm
Haha, this is some funny crap.
Hahahahahahahaha....what? Oh you talking about the Ladeh Bu and Ladeh Yuan "battle" homie?


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jsully16
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So I've been out for a little while. Looked for info on the scans but haven't seen anything. Any good info, or are the scans late to be added?

As for the new Lady Yuan/Lady Bu argument, I still say neither. Sun Quan was a badass, he was a warrior with principles and honor and a true member of the Sun Clan. Actually, he was easily the best of the Sun Clan, though he never showed it fully because he was stuck playing defense. Sun Jian was a good leader, same with Sun Ce, but both of them were brash and careless, and that led to their deaths.

Sun Quan easily could have (and if he shared those qualities he WOULD HAVE) died at He Fei, but he was smart enough to see the big picture and fall back rather than charge and die.

Sun Quan has plenty of characteristics that, if portrayed properly, could make him finally epic. Of course, instead of that, let's be lazy on making him unique and just add his boring, flavorless wife? No.

Hell, add Zhu Ran and the two can have a good friendship as well as adding a new fan favorite (#1 Wu add by far according to my poll) and giving Sun Quan a better person to have interactions with.

Not to be sexist, but females weren't really important historically in 200 AD. DW is based on a novel about a gruesome war. And when I say gruesome, I mean GRUESOME. Between the Han Empire's fall and Jin Empire's rise, millions upon millions of people died, like well over 20 million. It was a time where you could get brutally murdered in front of a crowd for simply disagreeing with somebody, and if you were a messenger, you had a coins' flip chance to live or die when you gave your message. Battles like Guan Du and Chi Bi and Yi Ling saw the deaths of hundreds of thousands in years' time (I'm pretty sure Cao Cao lost almost a million soldiers at Chi Bi)

What I'm getting at is it was a war in a time where wives were used for mothering children and other women were either A.) beautiful, and used as concubines to pleasure lords, or B.) not beautiful, and likely poor. So any kind of interaction Koei uses them in is entirely dreamt up. But someone like Zhu Ran could flesh out Sun Quan much more than his wife would. Because wives are hardly mentioned, with a small exception to SSX, Zhen Ji, etc.
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Neither Lady Bu or Lady Yuan would be great adds IMO..

I don't see why they would choose Lady Bu without adding any of her daughters (which would be the only viable reason, yet still not a great one)

and sure Lady Yuan would be a little bit more interesting, but still not mind-blowing xD
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jsully16
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Exactly. People think that adding her would make Sun Quan better, but if Koei just took a bit of time to research how awesome he was, they could easily portray him.

Instead of making him the whole "Father, Brother, how shall I live up to you?" type, make him the type that acknowledges their accomplishments, but also his own. He should be throwing out the fact that he's part of the Sun Family as much as Sun Jian usually does.
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zhenluo
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Well I hope they would make a good story for her, even if they had to fabricate some of it to create a better story for her. I would rather that than her just being a more support character.
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Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:18 pm
ling tong lives to 237 but because of the lack of long lived wu characters he may be needed to fill up some space... I know wei yan died in 234 but koei could keep him alive a bit longer for some late era battles and then have a separate stage later on where he rebels but that is very unlikely. its already been stated that ma dai will be post wuzhang, it says he lives on to fight with jiang wei against jin in his bio(I think).
It's doubted Ling Tong lives up to 237, even Rafe thinks so. His career basically stops at I think 217, and there's no real mention after that. I'd also rather have Wei Yan not live past 234, seems kinda disrespectful of the character itself, it's practically his pivotal moment.

Ma Dai's English bio does not mention him fighting against Jiang Wei, nor do I think his Japanese bio say so.

dancingswan
 
Lady Bu was also said to be Sun Quan's favorite, great reason to add her right there.
That's a very low standard for adding characters. "Hey, Dian Wei had a favorite concubine named Lady Du, and even though there's nothing else recorded, she's still an awesome add."

The only females I'll accept into the game (and come to the top of my head) are Lady Wu, Ma Yunlu, and... well... maybe that's it.

I really don't think KOEI needs to add characters each installment. In fact, right now there may be too many characters, or at least too many bland ones. Swoop them away, deal with the fanrage and improve on the current roster's personalities, their relationships, flesh out battles and add more, give us more movesets, work on graphics, new modes, little details, and so on. There are many officers to pick as the new Warrior, but that doesn't mean you should add each one of them.

jsully16
 
DW is based on a novel about a gruesome war. And when I say gruesome, I mean GRUESOME. Between the Han Empire's fall and Jin Empire's rise, millions upon millions of people died, like well over 20 million.
Fun fact - with the wars during this era China's population went from fifty million toppling down to somewhere between seventeen and thirteen million. :asia: Just goes to show.
Edited by Bamboo, Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:58 am.
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Squidlipticus
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Bamboo
Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:52 am
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Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:18 pm
ling tong lives to 237 but because of the lack of long lived wu characters he may be needed to fill up some space... I know wei yan died in 234 but koei could keep him alive a bit longer for some late era battles and then have a separate stage later on where he rebels but that is very unlikely. its already been stated that ma dai will be post wuzhang, it says he lives on to fight with jiang wei against jin in his bio(I think).
It's doubted Ling Tong lives up to 237, even Rafe thinks so. His career basically stops at I think 217, and there's no real mention after that. I'd also rather have Wei Yan not live past 234, seems kinda disrespectful of the character itself, it's practically his pivotal moment.

Ma Dai's English bio does not mention him fighting against Jiang Wei, nor do I think his Japanese bio say so.

dancingswan
 
Lady Bu was also said to be Sun Quan's favorite, great reason to add her right there.
That's a very low standard for adding characters. "Hey, Dian Wei had a favorite concubine named Lady Du, and even though there's nothing else recorded, she's still an awesome add."

The only females I'll accept into the game (and come to the top of my head) are Lady Wu, Ma Yunlu, and... well... maybe that's it.

I really don't think KOEI needs to add characters each installment. In fact, right now there may be too many characters, or at least too many bland ones. Swoop them away, deal with the fanrage and improve on the current roster's personalities, their relationships, flesh out battles and add more, give us more movesets, work on graphics, new modes, little details, and so on. There are many officers to pick as the new Warrior, but that doesn't mean you should add each one of them.

jsully16
 
DW is based on a novel about a gruesome war. And when I say gruesome, I mean GRUESOME. Between the Han Empire's fall and Jin Empire's rise, millions upon millions of people died, like well over 20 million.
Fun fact - with the wars during this era China's population went from fifty million toppling down to somewhere between seventeen and thirteen million. :asia:
And as we all know, most for those deaths were caused by bad harp music and paint ingestion.
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zhenluo
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I think most people can agree that we would rather have a more story heavy character to play as than Lady Bu.
Even though some want less females, if the rumor is true, we just have to work with what we will be given.
Oh well, hopefully it isn't true and they add someone with more characterization.
Oh by the way, Bamboo, you hit it spot on.
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I believe people know women had little/no role in the three kingdom ears. No one is really saying they did.
I, like other people who enjoy their add, have said they add another dimension to the story.
I know women didn't fight. I know, I know.
The addition of women is ONLY for story purposes, and to hush fangirls/fanboys. (Including me.)

The story would be quite bland if no women were in the game.
You wouldn't see a softer side, I guess you could say that, of certain male characters. (e.g. Lu Bu, Zhuge Liang, etc.)
So yeah....<_<
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dancingswan
Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:02 am
I believe people know women had little/no role in the three kingdom ears. No one is really saying they did.
I, like other people who enjoy their add, have said they add another dimension to the story.
I know women didn't fight. I know, I know.
The addition of women is ONLY for story purposes, and to hush fangirls/fanboys. (Including me.)

The story would be quite bland if no women were in the game.
You wouldn't see a softer side, I guess you could say that, of certain male characters. (e.g. Lu Bu, Zhuge Liang, etc.)
So yeah....<_<
Make kill, not love!
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jsully16
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I'm not even all that against female adds, even though I dispute their addition often. It's not about females in general, it's WHAT females they add. Bao Sanniang and Lady Bu? I'm not that against Cai Wenji or Wang Yuanji, or even Lady Wu or Ma Yunlu.

It's those two that piss me off.

And to play devil's advocate, Lu Bu didn't kill Dong Zhuo because of Diao Chan, it was a power move strictly done off the ambition of Wang Yun and Lu Bu. And Zhuge Liang, regardless of married or not, was a pure ass and he destroyed Shu just as much as he benefitted them.
Edited by jsully16, Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:08 am.
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Bamboo
Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:52 am
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Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:18 pm
ling tong lives to 237 but because of the lack of long lived wu characters he may be needed to fill up some space... I know wei yan died in 234 but koei could keep him alive a bit longer for some late era battles and then have a separate stage later on where he rebels but that is very unlikely. its already been stated that ma dai will be post wuzhang, it says he lives on to fight with jiang wei against jin in his bio(I think).
It's doubted Ling Tong lives up to 237, even Rafe thinks so. His career basically stops at I think 217, and there's no real mention after that. I'd also rather have Wei Yan not live past 234, seems kinda disrespectful of the character itself, it's practically his pivotal moment.

Ma Dai's English bio does not mention him fighting against Jiang Wei, nor do I think his Japanese bio say so.

dancingswan
 
Lady Bu was also said to be Sun Quan's favorite, great reason to add her right there.
That's a very low standard for adding characters. "Hey, Dian Wei had a favorite concubine named Lady Du, and even though there's nothing else recorded, she's still an awesome add."

The only females I'll accept into the game (and come to the top of my head) are Lady Wu, Ma Yunlu, and... well... maybe that's it.

I really don't think KOEI needs to add characters each installment. In fact, right now there may be too many characters, or at least too many bland ones. Swoop them away, deal with the fanrage and improve on the current roster's personalities, their relationships, flesh out battles and add more, give us more movesets, work on graphics, new modes, little details, and so on. There are many officers to pick as the new Warrior, but that doesn't mean you should add each one of them.

jsully16
 
DW is based on a novel about a gruesome war. And when I say gruesome, I mean GRUESOME. Between the Han Empire's fall and Jin Empire's rise, millions upon millions of people died, like well over 20 million.
Fun fact - with the wars during this era China's population went from fifty million toppling down to somewhere between seventeen and thirteen million. :asia: Just goes to show.
I agree with this, because I only was hoping Jin would be the new characters on the block, but alas I can deal with "useless characters" as they are called. I was only concerned with cut characters at first and hoping for new battles and more character interaction and personality in this one.

I don't think the absence of female characters will make the story bland, i mean you can pull it off with the real elements of war and how life was back then. Even then the females don't have to be playable they could just be in cutscenes from time to time when its necessary.
Edited by QZW, Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:10 am.
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Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:06 am
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Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:52 am
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Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:18 pm
ling tong lives to 237 but because of the lack of long lived wu characters he may be needed to fill up some space... I know wei yan died in 234 but koei could keep him alive a bit longer for some late era battles and then have a separate stage later on where he rebels but that is very unlikely. its already been stated that ma dai will be post wuzhang, it says he lives on to fight with jiang wei against jin in his bio(I think).
It's doubted Ling Tong lives up to 237, even Rafe thinks so. His career basically stops at I think 217, and there's no real mention after that. I'd also rather have Wei Yan not live past 234, seems kinda disrespectful of the character itself, it's practically his pivotal moment.

Ma Dai's English bio does not mention him fighting against Jiang Wei, nor do I think his Japanese bio say so.

dancingswan
 
Lady Bu was also said to be Sun Quan's favorite, great reason to add her right there.
That's a very low standard for adding characters. "Hey, Dian Wei had a favorite concubine named Lady Du, and even though there's nothing else recorded, she's still an awesome add."

The only females I'll accept into the game (and come to the top of my head) are Lady Wu, Ma Yunlu, and... well... maybe that's it.

I really don't think KOEI needs to add characters each installment. In fact, right now there may be too many characters, or at least too many bland ones. Swoop them away, deal with the fanrage and improve on the current roster's personalities, their relationships, flesh out battles and add more, give us more movesets, work on graphics, new modes, little details, and so on. There are many officers to pick as the new Warrior, but that doesn't mean you should add each one of them.

jsully16
 
DW is based on a novel about a gruesome war. And when I say gruesome, I mean GRUESOME. Between the Han Empire's fall and Jin Empire's rise, millions upon millions of people died, like well over 20 million.
Fun fact - with the wars during this era China's population went from fifty million toppling down to somewhere between seventeen and thirteen million. :asia: Just goes to show.
I agree with this, because I only was hoping Jin would be the new characters on the block, but alas I can deal with "useless characters" as they are called. I was only concerned with cut characters at first and hoping for new battles and more character interaction and personality in this one.
I had a brain fart and now all my ideas stink. I am sorry.
Edited by Squidlipticus, Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:12 am.
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Still no news on that little update i see...oh well i'll check tomorow ^_^ maybe it's due to be mentioned by the end of the week hopefully.
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Theres no scans of gameplay or anything this week? O_O So next week xD?
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Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:13 am
Still no news on that little update i see...oh well i'll check tomorow ^_^ maybe it's due to be mentioned by the end of the week hopefully.
I think we should wait for the update of the official site. ^_^
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Theres no scans of gameplay or anything this week? O_O So next week xD?
Next week they show Big Papa Jian! I just know it!
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I myself don't like Bao Sanniang, so we at least share some common ground.

I don't know why the added her. But I'm going to get over her addition, theres around 60 other characters.

Lady Bu isn't awful, and I'm not saying Lady Yuan/Wu or better, blah blah blah.
But I actually like the idea of Lady Bu.
The reason Koei most likely picked is because she was really just known for being not jealous, and there isn't a type like that in game. I wish it wasn't so, I wish they would've picked her because of the tragedy or she was said to be his favorite.
I was opposed to her add at first, got accustomed to the idea, and now I want her to be added.

And the Zhuge Liang thing. I know he was "a bad guy." But in game whenever he talks to Yue Ying, he's actually turns sweet. That's what my point was about.
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If one looks at Bao Sanniang on the official web site, she stands out from the rest of the Shu characters in a not entirely good way. It almost seems as if she belonged next to Zhu Rong.
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I'll say what I said in the women thread, maybe it will help. Yue Ying and Xing Cai are warrior type women. Koei may have wanted someone alittle more spicy than conservative like the other two. Just a theory. ^_^
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Am i the only one who could see WU getting both another male general and another female like Sun Shao and Lady Wu? or Zhu Ran and Lady Wu or vice versa...
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Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:20 am
If one looks at Bao Sanniang on the official web site, she stands out from the rest of the Shu characters in a not entirely good way. It almost seems as if she belonged next to Zhu Rong.
So if that's case I take it you thought the same about Wei Yan as well?
Just curious yo.


@dancingswan: If Lady Bu was never mentioned would you have wanted her? Did you know about her? I didn't even know she existed till the rumor list came about.
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Nope, didn't know a single thing about her. Didn't even knew she existed.
I researched though, and personally I like what Sun Quan did for her.
He wanted to make her Empress, but some people didn't like the idea(I couldn't find out why.) so she died just as one of his other wives.
He declared her some sort of empress (forgot the title) after her death.
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Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:37 am
Nope, didn't know a single thing about her. Didn't even knew she existed. I researched though, and personally I like what Sun Quan did for her. He wanted to make her Empress, but some people didn't like the idea(I couldn't find out why.) so she died just as one of his other wives. He declared her some sort of empress (forgot the title) after her death.
Lady Bu info in empresses and Consorts.

It seems they wanted Quan to make Lady Xu empress over her.
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