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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
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Lord Yuan Shu
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i never liked playing as slow characters period.


Ever played with Meng Huo? :lol:
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The Dynasty Warriors 6 costumes are already confirmed as DLC, we can also expect the costumes from Dynasty Warriors 3 to Dynasty Warriors 5. As for new characters, they might get a new alternative costume.

On Pang De, I do not think he will be available in DLC. KOEI has not announced DLC characters, so there will be none. He will probably inclued in Dynasty Warriors 7: Xtreme Legends, if there is one, or Dynasty Warriors 8.
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Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:42 am


On Pang De, I do not think he will be available in DLC. KOEI has not announced DLC characters, so there will be none. He will probably inclued in Dynasty Warriors 7: Xtreme Legends, if there is one, or Dynasty Warriors 8.
Jumping to conclusions. We may say this is likely that there are no DLC Characters, but we don't say "there will be none". No way you know that definitively.
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Lord Yuan Shu
Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:40 am
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i never liked playing as slow characters period.


Ever played with Meng Huo? :lol:
yes, yes i have

i never found him to be all that enjoyable untill DW6E.

though that's only because i found him to be drop dead sexy, so i was able to tolerate the slowness, just so i could watch his body as i played as him, lol.
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Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:42 am
The Dynasty Warriors 6 costumes are already confirmed as DLC, we can also expect the costumes from Dynasty Warriors 3 to Dynasty Warriors 5. As for new characters, they might get a new alternative costume.

On Pang De, I do not think he will be available in DLC. KOEI has not announced DLC characters, so there will be none. He will probably inclued in Dynasty Warriors 7: Xtreme Legends, if there is one, or Dynasty Warriors 8.
That doesn't mean it won't happen, just because it hasn't been announced.
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I loved Meng Huo's running body-splash attack. Then his charge 6 badass ground-pound attack (well, I'm thinking DW3 + DW4, not sure his DW5 or Empires moveset).

Typical horse-only character unless you want to be late to everything.
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Lord Yuan Shu
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On Pang De, I do not think he will be available in DLC. KOEI has not announced DLC characters, so there will be none. He will probably inclued in Dynasty Warriors 7: Xtreme Legends, if there is one, or Dynasty Warriors 8.
Jumping to conclusions. We may say this is likely that there are no DLC Characters, but we don't say "there will be none". No way you know that definitively.
Tsk, still has hope in vain.

This game will be very nice, even without Pang De.
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Lord Yuan Shu
Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:45 am
I loved Meng Huo's running body-splash attack. Then his charge 6 badass charge attack (well, I'm thinking DW3 + DW4, not sure his DW5 or Empires moveset).

Typical horse-only character unless you want to be late to everything.
Haha, ironically I used an elephant for Meng Huo and Zhu Rong. And I used Red Hare for everyone else.
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No I don't care much if Pang De is gone. Just saying you don't know definitely that there will be no DLC characters so telling people that is dishonest.
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Yes. I had forgotten that many people still think that KOEI will add 1/2 new characters per faction. :lol:
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lol. I'm just saying, you have no idea whatsoever whether or not there will be DLC characters (hell, Koei themselves may not even know if they plan on adding DLC characters. They could just decide to do it a few months from now).

I know it's annoying when people ask, but we can't just lie to them.
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Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:48 am
lol. I'm just saying, you have no idea whatsoever whether or not there will be DLC characters.

I know it's annoying when people ask, but we can't just lie to them.
Well, we'll see. I'm not against it.

Maybe 1/2 characters, but I do not think more.

It has a lot of new characters, and we must not forget that there will probably Dynasty Warriors 8. KOEI has certainly full of ideas for additions of characters, that being said, I think they prefer to keep them for Dynasty Warriors 8, which would make sense.
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ok well if you say pang de is just a "bit" character then how in the hell are any of the girls better? or what about dian wei? wan castle could easily be omitted and then dian wei would literally have no battles whatsoever. don't try to put pang de to shame. sure he didn't do too much for wei but he actually had a great career with the liang and his role in fan castle is awesome. he dies a heroic death and he would have killed guan yu too. in the novel he was just about to kill guan yu when guan ping sounded the gong for guan yu to return because he was getting worried and yu jin also resounded his gong because he didn't want pang de to get all the glory. pang de may have not been portrayed properly but he makes a solid addition to the series. I will explain further if you still don't agree.
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Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:50 am
Lord Yuan Shu
Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:48 am
lol. I'm just saying, you have no idea whatsoever whether or not there will be DLC characters. I know it's annoying when people ask, but we can't just lie to them.
Well, we'll see. I'm not against it. Maybe 1/2 characters, but I do not think more. It has a lot of new characters, and we must not forget that there will probably Dynasty Warriors 8. KOEI has certainly full of ideas for additions of characters, that being said, I think they prefer to keep them for Dynasty Warriors 8, which would make sense.
Dynasty Warriors 8 is Years away it's far too early to even mention it there is still Empires at the very least to come and maybe more new spin off titles that KOEI could already have lined up after DW7's release ;)
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You know what I hope that rumor about DW3-4 outfits is true. Really want those as well.
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Lord Yuan Shu
Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:48 am
lol. I'm just saying, you have no idea whatsoever whether or not there will be DLC characters. I know it's annoying when people ask, but we can't just lie to them.
Well, we'll see. I'm not against it. Maybe 1/2 characters, but I do not think more. It has a lot of new characters, and we must not forget that there will probably Dynasty Warriors 8. KOEI has certainly full of ideas for additions of characters, that being said, I think they prefer to keep them for Dynasty Warriors 8, which would make sense.
Dynasty Warriors 8 is Years away it's far too early to even mention it there is still Empires at the very least to come and maybe more new spin off titles that KOEI could already have lined up after DW7's release ;)
No use to add new characters in Empires game. Knowing that no character has actually his own history in this game, is ourselves who are creating this story. Yes, Dynasty Warriors 8 is far. Dynasty Warriors 7 was too far, before it is announced.
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ok well if you say pang de is just a "bit" character then how in the hell are any of the girls better? or what about dian wei? wan castle could easily be omitted and then dian wei would literally have no battles whatsoever. don't try to put pang de to shame. sure he didn't do too much for wei but he actually had a great career with the liang and his role in fan castle is awesome. he dies a heroic death and he would have killed guan yu too. in the novel he was just about to kill guan yu when guan ping sounded the gong for guan yu to return because he was getting worried and yu jin also resounded his gong because he didn't want pang de to get all the glory. pang de may have not been portrayed properly but he makes a solid addition to the series. I will explain further if you still don't agree.
He also got his ass handed to him by Zhou Cang in a do or die situation (literally), and Zhou Cang was far inferior to Guan Yu. Bottom line, Pang De would be a much better character if they had Yu Jin as well. Without him he isn't reaching his full potential. So if he isn't in this installment, they should bring those two together to make it better.
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As for the comments about people assuming that they'll be more costumes from DW3-DW5, I totally agree will with them. Because:

A. DW6 costumes already only consisted of 41 characters AND they were already utilized in HD graphics, which would somewhat explain for them being free considering it took little to no effort of adjusting to DW7 characters' physique and facial preferences. Now that I look at it, Lu Xun does look different with his DW6 outfit and Xiao Qiao's face seem . . . newer.

B. Technically the outfits are already made, so that alone cuts the time in half making alts for characters.

C. There will be no more than 48 for each game, it actually gets lesser if Koei's going to start next with DW5 and continue down.

EDIT: People should really stop referring to the novel when trying to want a character inclusion. Novel = Luo's point of view, not Koei's. Pang De is not that good to go jumping beans everywhere. The presence of Meng Huo alone, makes Guan Suo a least bit better compared to that silly Pang De. <_<


And about the batches, I'm thinking there will be three and hopefully the last one including a secret character, *Cao Rui* or *Wen Yang*. I don't think they've released a famitsu without a new character, have they?
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Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:38 am
haha okay so Zhu Rong isn't a bit character? Pretty sure objectively she is. Nanman are good for one gimmicky battle. Hell, they weren't even in DW6.

Not saying I don't want them or they shouldn't be included. Just saying relative to the Nanman, you wonder how they were brought back and Pang De doesn't get that treatment. Pang De could be more useful if they have early Dong Zhuo / a Teng / Liang battles like DW5. Sure he only has a role in a few battles but it's pretty hard to argue outside of gimmickry that the Nanman are any more deserving given their history (ie how irrelevant they were in the scope of RTK history; they weren't exactly fighting on the front line in major battles deciding the future of China. Basically were in the novel to put over / job to Zhuge Liang).
I never mentioned Zhu Rong, but you're right. Frankly I've never liked the character on that level, but if she was never added you wouldn't see me clamoring for her to be in. Meng Huo is the Nanman. He's all that matters. He gets caught 7 times, Zhu Rong doesn't do a damn thing and in the games she's just a minor roadblock between Huo 5 and Huo 6 usually. Everything I said before is still valid. Cut her, I don't care, DW6 E certainly didn't need her.

Irrelevant to the scope of history? Sure. But the Nanman campaign adds more to the character side, and gives other characters of Shu who don't have that many actual battles (Ma Chao, Yue Ying, maybe even Wei Yan, etc) some space to be free of Zhao Yun, and of course, to make Kongming more badass.

In the end, I'd rather have more some more unique battle(s) than some random unique wanker who shows up just to die. I just don't see how you can validate keeping someone who doesn't matter, over someone who has an entire stage or set of stages based around them.

And for the record I don't like Dian Wei either, frankly until now (IE Jia Xu) he's been incredibly pointless.
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I wouldn't say being captured while your army was flooded, most troop surrendered including your leader(Yu Jin) is getting your ass handed to you, especially if you aren't focused on the enemy soldiers just on swimming away as fast as you can. let pang de get to his feet and I guarantee that pang de would beat zhou cang's ass to a pulp. guan yu was strong which means pang de is uber strong.yes I agree without yu jin pang de can't reach his full potential which is why I want yu jin as an add so bad. but sadly its been confirmed he is generic :( . I hope he is added to dw8. pang de can play roles at tong gate,he fei, ruxu kou, han zhong, mt. ding jun, and fan castle. which is enough for 1 guy. don't tell me you wouldn't want to see the liang trio of ma chao, pang de, and ma dai. also don't forget that zhou cang never really existed but guan yu did.
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Hey Necrosis, I really am with you here. I want Yuan Shu for the same reason; why add people to the existing kingdoms that don't bring much when a new playable for an Other group would add a ton more levels and make the existing ones that they are in that much more fun.

I do agree that the gimmicks of the Nanman stage make it a necessity for each DW. The elephants, poison, etc. It's classic DW. In DW3 like 75% of the Wu + Shu characters seemed to have the Nanman Stage as one of theirs.

My point about why did they create Zhu Rong and Meng Huo instead of Pang De is more of an allusion to how they treat the Other characters /kingdoms like crap and always favor those in the main kingdoms. So I was surprised that Pang De was neglected, given that (and my defense was him was just to prove that he seemed more relevant to the RTK structure than the other two, in some important battles between Wei and Wu / Shu and also Tong Gate. Ultimately I don't care too much about these three).
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@Cao Hong 14 - I responded to our little discussion about Ling Tong. It's here. :) I know it's a few pages back, so yeah.

@Liu Bei 7 - I thought Zhou Cang only captured Pang De when he was in the water? I could be forgetting things, busy night.

I'll agree with necrosis on the recent posts. The Nanman definitely have more to add in an overall game sense than Pang De.
Edited by Bamboo, Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:14 am.
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Good. :sly:


But indeed, if anyone should be in the game Yuan Shu should be. He adds more than any possible non affiliated character would.

But yeah. While he may seem more relevant due to being involved in the actual RTK structure, his actual relevance within such is sadly negligible. :sick: :santa: :kurokan:


I'd like to add through edit, THIS is the kind of discussion that needs to happen more often here...not that idiocy that regularly plague these threads and boards. :whistle:
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I wouldn't say being captured while your army was flooded, most troop surrendered including your leader(Yu Jin) is getting your ass handed to you, especially if you aren't focused on the enemy soldiers just on swimming away as fast as you can. let pang de get to his feet and I guarantee that pang de would beat zhou cang's ass to a pulp. guan yu was strong which means pang de is uber strong.yes I agree without yu jin pang de can't reach his full potential which is why I want yu jin as an add so bad. but sadly its been confirmed he is generic :( . I hope he is added to dw8. pang de can play roles at tong gate,he fei, ruxu kou, han zhong, mt. ding jun, and fan castle. which is enough for 1 guy. don't tell me you wouldn't want to see the liang trio of ma chao, pang de, and ma dai. also don't forget that zhou cang never really existed but guan yu did.
He is physically wrestled down by Zhou Cang, and it distinctly mentions that Zhou Cang was powerful enough to capture him. I don't really care if Pang De would win in a regular duel; in this instance, he got his ass handed to him. And yeah, I want Pang De in, but I'm saying its not the end of the world if he isn't for the reason we both seem to agree on in improving his overall character.

Edit: And yes Bamboo, this did take place in the water. It might have been due to Pang De's King Arthur armor :whistle:
Edited by Liu Bei 7, Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:42 am.
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Yuan Shu? Nonsense. Bring Guan Suo instead!
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