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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
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Flyentology
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dancingswan
Tue Feb 1, 2011 3:32 am
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Tue Feb 1, 2011 3:28 am
In my own defense I never gave Bu Furen a chance. And never will. She'll likely be released tomorrow and I'll be crossing my fingers that she's cut and replaced in DW8. Same with Bao Sanniang and Guan Suo(change his given name to Xing though)
Like I said earlier.
Cutting characters in general is just plain out stupid. Even for lame characters like Bao, she's bound to have fans, just like you guys are with Pang De. It just isn't fair, just like how Pang De has the possibility to cut.
IMO, no one should get cut. (Even Ping/Bao/ZuoCi <_< )
Honestly, I agree. It seems a waste to lay the foundation for a good character (or any character at all) and then just get rid of them.

@Fantaji: Understandable mistake, m'darling.
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jsully16
Tue Feb 1, 2011 3:28 am
In my own defense I never gave Bu Furen a chance. And never will. She'll likely be released tomorrow and I'll be crossing my fingers that she's cut and replaced in DW8. Same with Bao Sanniang and Guan Suo(change his given name to Xing though)
Like I said earlier.
Cutting characters in general is just plain out stupid. Even for lame characters like Bao, she's bound to have fans, just like you guys are with Pang De. It just isn't fair, just like how Pang De has the possibility to cut.
IMO, no one should get cut. (Even Ping/Bao/ZuoCi <_< )
They cut so many of the old characters from MvC 3 =/ Gambit, Iceman, Rogue, Venom, Strider Hiryu, Jin Saotome, Captain Commando!! Just to name some..

It seems everyone these days is cutting people out left & right.
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IMO, characters that had no business in the game are fine being cut. I shed no tears for Zuo Ci.

And I don't remember ever saying anything too positive about Bu. From the moment I heard about her, I didn't like the idea. I suppose I once might have said I hope she's a mature woman and it wouldn't be awful, but all in all I'm against her morese because I assume she'll bring Sun Quan down in comparison to what I would do with him if I was Koei.
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Tue Feb 1, 2011 3:10 am
I do have information on what Guan Suo and Lian Shi look like(source apparently is the same one that revealed that ROTK12 is being announced in May,) but I don't have time to post it right now, have to go to class. Besides translating Chinese isn't really my forte...
Whatever they do with Guan Suo if he is revealed. I think it would be nice to give him a unique weapon and unique look, for Shu's behalf (not too unique like Wei Yan, but you know what I mean..) But at least KOEI, please make him unique to Guan Ping. Pretty please...

Maybe that is too much to ask for though... :mellow:

Yeah, I'm definatly hoping he is different then Guan Ping. Personality wise at least.....

(I'm not saying anything is wrong with Guan Ping, BTW)

Hope Koei won't make Guan Suo just a twin of Guan Ping or give Guan Suo a better weapon and look than Guan Ping.
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Tue Feb 1, 2011 3:33 am
Thing is though Pang De is actually needed in Tong Gate and He Fei and Fan Castle. We don't actually need Bao Sanniang in any battles going forward.
You don't, but who are you to say someone ACTUALLY like her addition. And is thrilled from her arrival. Now I know the majority of the forum hates her, but there is bound be some fans for her.
Think from both POVs. :kurokan:
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Flyentology
Tue Feb 1, 2011 3:33 am
dancingswan
Tue Feb 1, 2011 3:32 am
jsully16
Tue Feb 1, 2011 3:28 am
In my own defense I never gave Bu Furen a chance. And never will. She'll likely be released tomorrow and I'll be crossing my fingers that she's cut and replaced in DW8. Same with Bao Sanniang and Guan Suo(change his given name to Xing though)
Like I said earlier.
Cutting characters in general is just plain out stupid. Even for lame characters like Bao, she's bound to have fans, just like you guys are with Pang De. It just isn't fair, just like how Pang De has the possibility to cut.
IMO, no one should get cut. (Even Ping/Bao/ZuoCi <_< )
Honestly, I agree. It seems a waste to lay the foundation for a good character (or any character at all) and then just get rid of them.
I agree to.

It does absolutely nothing to delete characters. You just simply playing with people you enjoy. The characters that you do not like to be by others, I think. And with KOEI, when a character is deleted, it will always return one day or another. That tradition now.
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Tue Feb 1, 2011 3:31 am
Well I'm sure we'll be mighty impressed with Bao Sanniang's storied RTK history finally taking place in a DW. A good rule of thumb for a character is, if they were never added would you care that they weren't in the game? And there isn't one person on this planet earth that would have been upset if Bao Sanniang was not added to this game (before her name / character were released to the public). If Yuan Shu is not added? There will be tens of thousands of mourners lol (ok not true, but this group would dwarf Guan Suo / Bao Sanniang / Lady Bu's pre-DW7 fanbase by a really large number).
In truth, I wouldn't even know who Bao Sanniang was until DW revealed her. But the same goes for every other character in DW for me. I'm not one to go looking for characters to be in the game. I just wait and see who koei will surprise me with. Maybe I'm just easy to please.(Sometimes.) ^_^
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Tue Feb 1, 2011 3:34 am
IMO, characters that had no business in the game are fine being cut. I shed no tears for Zuo Ci.

And I don't remember ever saying anything too positive about Bu. From the moment I heard about her, I didn't like the idea. I suppose I once might have said I hope she's a mature woman and it wouldn't be awful, but all in all I'm against her morese because I assume she'll bring Sun Quan down in comparison to what I would do with him if I was Koei.
For me, it's all in how they portray her, and how much she adds to the story arch, as well as Sun Quan himself. If they give her the Zhen Ji treatment and make her there for the sake of being there with no purpose but to be a wife, then I'll say she's a waste of a character. If they can actually do something with her, I'll be cool with it. SW1 Noh was a good example of how to correctly use a woman in a Warriors game (SW2 was not).
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Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:58 pm
Lu Bu looks nice, and don't see how some were getting a Quan vibe from him, if anything he and Liu Bei look alike only thing is Liu Bei is kind.
My thoughts exactly...except about the part where Lu Bu looks nice in DW7.

If you dye Liu Bei's DW7 costume black and put two antennas on his head then you get a better version of Lu Bu for DW7.
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Well I really don't have a problem with any new characters being added as long as Gan Ning, Ma Chao, and Xiahou Dun are in the game
And I cant wait to try out Deng Ai ^_^
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You don't, but who are you to say someone ACTUALLY like her addition. And is thrilled from her arrival. Now I know the majority of the forum hates her, but there is bound be some fans for her.
Think from both POVs.


I understand your point of view and agree that there is a demographic for her. Just saying, Pang De's omission in this game will be apparent, because there will be battles he is supposed to be at that he won't be at.

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In truth, I wouldn't even know who Bao Sanniang was until DW revealed her. But the same goes for every other character in DW for me. I'm not one to go looking for characters to be in the game. I just wait and see who koei will surprise me with. Maybe I'm just easy to please.(Sometimes.)


That's cool though. That's why even if I don't agree with a character and just want to state my case, I know at the end of the day they are trying to market the game to a lot of different types of people.

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Get ready, folks. The ****storm's coming!
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I lol at how despite a lot of the good stuff, people are not satisfied.

I've seen Disney Princesses with better behavior, and THEY are the ones that want more! Look at Look Ariel, Belle and Jasmine!
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cutting characters is generally a bad idea. I do agree with that but characters that are already viewed negatively before they are even released is just a sign they they just shouldn't have even been added. pang de has potential(which is the factor that guan suo and bao don't) but he just wasn't done correctly. I am confident that if he was done properly fans would love him as much as I do. Bao and Suo don't have any potential because there is nothing to work with. for lady bu its not so much the she herself is a bad add but the concept of her is bad. its the idea that we will get another worthless husband follower instead of an interesting character that is much needed to the series like zhu ran. but So I think characters can be cut as long as their is a proper justification to it.
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Tue Feb 1, 2011 3:48 am
I lol at how despite a lot of the good stuff, people are not satisfied.

I've seen Disney Princesses with better behavior, and THEY are the ones that want more! Look at Look Ariel, Belle and Jasmine!
You know who else wanted more? Veruca Salt from Willy Wonka. And look where that got her xD

But on topic...I am not saying I am dissatisfied with anything, because quite honestly, I intend to use every single character on the roster in Conquest Mode. I am all for seeing different storylines, and also the character interaction. I just dislike the whole idea of characters being cut, then returning at a later time out of the blue.
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Tue Feb 1, 2011 3:49 am
cutting characters is generally a bad idea. I do agree with that but characters that are already viewed negatively before they are even released is just a sign they they just shouldn't have even been added. pang de has potential(which is the factor that guan suo and bao don't) but he just wasn't done correctly. I am confident that if he was done properly fans would love him as much as I do. Bao and Suo don't have any potential because there is nothing to work with. for lady bu its not so much the she herself is a bad add but the concept of her is bad. its the idea that we will get another worthless husband follower instead of an interesting character that is much needed to the series like zhu ran. but So I think characters can be cut as long as their is a proper justification to it.
How do you know they don't have potential. Koei could do something crazy, and blindside us.
No one knows, so don't presume as such won't happen.
And for Lady Bu, I'm just tired of hearing the negatives about her. It's pretty much the same people that dog on her. So I'm just going to ignore all the statements until next release.
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I lol at how despite a lot of the good stuff, people are not satisfied. I've seen Disney Princesses with better behavior, and THEY are the ones that want more! Look at Look Ariel, Belle and Jasmine!
You know who else wanted more? Veruca Salt from Willy Wonka. And look where that got her xD But on topic...I am not saying I am dissatisfied with anything, because quite honestly, I intend to use every single character on the roster in Conquest Mode. I am all for seeing different storylines, and also the character interaction. I just dislike the whole idea of characters being cut, then returning at a later time out of the blue.
I agree I just wanna play the game :unsure:
Can't wait to try the new char's and looking forward to some of the new move sets.
Just hope maybe in the next DW no cuts just more adds ^_^
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It's fitting groundhog's day is near, this thread is kind of like groundhog's day. People complain about certain things, then people complain about the people complaining. As if, how could people complain about this game? (like this is game of the year material and everything is an instant-win and everything they did was a stroke of genius lol).

I'm with Trevor though, in time I'll probably play through each Conquest Mode like I did with all the musou modes back in DW3 + DW5. Only way that I don't do that is if the Conquest Modes aren't unique enough (need a realistic path for the characters with battles that they actually were in, and relations with characters that were actually their allies / enemies).
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Tue Feb 1, 2011 3:58 am
It's fitting groundhog's day is near, this thread is kind of like groundhog's day. People complain about certain things, then people complain about the people complaining. As if, how could people complain about this game? (like this is game of the year material and everything is an instant-win and everything they did was a stroke of genius lol).
*cue Jurassic Park theme song* Welcome...To Koei Warriors! :sly:

I don't think human beings will ever be satisfied, even with good things. That's human nature in general. Show something people hate (Bao Sanniang, for example), and they'll attack it like vultures on a downed carcass.
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Which is percisely why I go back to my ancient argument: just HOW MUCH do people want? By the time we get to DW20, will we have every minor ROTK character, general, emperor, woman and child a playable character?

Let's say that all the relevant generals are put in; there will still be the detractors who want women, and vice-versa.

That's why I don't really hold any attachment to these DW characters, they're either gonna get cut or become irrelevant.

Or, if I do have an attachment, I like a character that I know will NEVER be cut...like Cao Cao.
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Tue Feb 1, 2011 3:58 am
I'm with Trevor though, in time I'll probably play through each Conquest Mode like I did with all the musou modes back in DW3 + DW5. Only way that I don't do that is if the Conquest Modes aren't unique enough (need a realistic path for the characters with battles that they actually were in, and relations with characters that were actually their allies / enemies).
Is that really going to happen, though? Won't it be set apart from the actual storyline by its very nature? Unless I'm horribly wrong about how the mode plays out... I can't really see Xiao Qiao or Pang Tong embarking on a path to total domination.

Isn't it more like a smaller, personal Empire mode?
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Avieure, that's a good point. That's my worry is that it'll just be like Empires and you just randomly fight certain battles with no real attachment to the character.

I just want to do like 7-10 battles per character, tops, and have most of them be relevant battles for the character (battles the character was actually in). Along with coming across natural allies / enemies. So somewhat personalized, like the old musou modes. I don't think that's asking too much.
Edited by Lord Yuan Shu, Tue Feb 1, 2011 4:09 am.
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Lol people keep saying making a musou mode with 60+ characters is too much when it seems that chronicle mode is going to be longer to complete with each character it self.
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Avieure, that's a good point. That's my worry is that it'll just be like Empires and you just randomly fight certain battles with no real attachment to the character.

I just want to do like 7-10 battles per character, tops, and have most of them be relevant battles for the character (battles the character was actually in). Along with coming across natural allies / enemies. So somewhat personalized, like the old musou modes. I don't think that's asking too much.
If you seen that one screen shot with Zhou Yu, he's in a Conquest stage, and he says something to Sun Ce about getting the Two Qiao's.

So I think some of the Conquest Mode stages will be catered to your chosen character, but it was also said that there'd be stages from the ROTK novel, and also 'What if?' stages.
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Front page almost ruined it for me...phew :sly: But I managed not to look (: Anyways, when will the main site be updated? Tomorrow?
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