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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
Topic Started: Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:32 am (1,039,808 Views)
Sanada
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Yuan-te
Tue Feb 1, 2011 4:38 pm
I dont see why Koei should try to dilute their only unique selling point by not paying attention to the parts of the game the diehard and veteran fans love.
Ok, I've got one thing to say about this part here.

I've played the games since the first Shin Sangoku Musou, and have been a large fan of the series with the exception of DW6, Strikeforce and such games. So I am a vetern fan myself, and I must say, your point at the end has no basis.

A fair portion seem to share your thoughts, true, but the parts the diehard and vetern fans love? I personally didn't care about the historical accuracy and such while loving the game. Hell, DW2 is still probably my favourite in terms of the game as a whole, and if not it then definatly DW3, and their representations weren't that accurate.

I do agree with you to a point, I dislike the route they are going, prefered the design style they had before 6 and such, but not all 'vetern' and 'diehard' fans will have that opinion, infact few probably will due to the lack of accuracy in many aspects throughout the series. I would prefer if they stuck a bit more to the era in designs though definatly, the more 'modern' and the more western designs just don't sit right with me.
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UpInMahBubble
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Yuan-te
Tue Feb 1, 2011 4:38 pm
Fans complaining do not ruin DW games, since it has no effect on the quality of the game.
The point about Guo Jia, Wen Yang and Cao Zhang is a fair one, although i think people can overrate Zhang at times - I would prefer Cao Zhen myself since he was the Wei Commander during many of the Shu northern campaigns.

I'm pretty sick of the 'argument': "If you want history go and play RTK", which seems to be used as a mantra and worthy of negating whatever the other person has stated. If you've played RTK you'll know its nothing like DW save the historical period - its all micro-management strategy. Why shouldnt fans of the Three Kingdoms be entitled to an action game about the subject? If people want a manga/anime style hack and slash game there are plenty on the market, I dont see why Koei should try to dilute their only unique selling point by not paying attention to the parts of the game the diehard and veteran fans love.
Well the fans who are happy with the characters so far and how they look don't ruin it either, even if this game IS based on some novel, it's not like they did a good job of sticking to it in the first place?

Y'know, seeing as a lot of people have out of the ordinary personalities and can shoot fireballs etc etc.






Honestly I could swear people have already argued about this on here. Why do the same things keep getting brought up?. Lack of scans must be getting to everyone's heads -_-

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Lambo
Tue Feb 1, 2011 4:41 pm
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Tue Feb 1, 2011 4:23 pm
And people start calling her a hooker based on a creation using LBP's creation tools. Seriously guys! -_-
Sorry! People posted this pic, I posted my thoughts on it. Didn't realize we weren't allowed to have first impressions on a design, despite, how inaccurate it might be.
And despite knowing how inaccurate it might be, you still gave your opinion based on the inaccurate source!
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WhiteHorseRide
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They do ruin it, because they are the ones that encourage the irksome designs to keep going.


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saner
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Designs that appear irksome to some look cool to others.
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Shi huangdi
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images are fake
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UpInMahBubble
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Who you calling a cute prince?
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Rather irksome than guys all clad in armour looking the same
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Sanada
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I somehow doubt the fanbase are what encourage them to continue with the designs, at least the Western Fanbase at any rate.

As long as the game sells well with the new looks they've given they may well take it as it's working and continue with it.
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Bullet Bender
Tue Feb 1, 2011 4:50 pm
Lambo
Tue Feb 1, 2011 4:41 pm
Bullet Bender
Tue Feb 1, 2011 4:23 pm
And people start calling her a hooker based on a creation using LBP's creation tools. Seriously guys! -_-
Sorry! People posted this pic, I posted my thoughts on it. Didn't realize we weren't allowed to have first impressions on a design, despite, how inaccurate it might be.
And despite knowing how inaccurate it might be, you still gave your opinion based on the inaccurate source!
Of course I gave my opinion on it! Thats the whole point ne? I'm aware my opinion may change when I see her actual design, but there is nothing wrong with saying what I think of her design as I know of it at this moment.

I didn't even call her a hooker, just that she looked like one, which she does.
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Yuan-te
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Sanada
Tue Feb 1, 2011 4:46 pm
Yuan-te
Tue Feb 1, 2011 4:38 pm
I dont see why Koei should try to dilute their only unique selling point by not paying attention to the parts of the game the diehard and veteran fans love.
Ok, I've got one thing to say about this part here. I've played the games since the first Shin Sangoku Musou, and have been a large fan of the series with the exception of DW6, Strikeforce and such games. So I am a vetern fan myself, and I must say, your point at the end has no basis. A fair portion seem to share your thoughts, true, but the parts the diehard and vetern fans love? I personally didn't care about the historical accuracy and such while loving the game. Hell, DW2 is still probably my favourite in terms of the game as a whole, and if not it then definatly DW3, and their representations weren't that accurate. I do agree with you to a point, I dislike the route they are going, prefered the design style they had before 6 and such, but not all 'vetern' and 'diehard' fans will have that opinion, infact few probably will due to the lack of accuracy in many aspects throughout the series. I would prefer if they stuck a bit more to the era in designs though definatly, the more 'modern' and the more western designs just don't sit right with me.
In essence you agree with my point, and the rest of your post is only about semantics; I know not all long-standing fans share the view - but I think most will have expressed some interest in the source material if they continually line Koei's pockets. Thats why reviewers always slate the games when they come out; from a neutral standpoint the gameplay is undoubtedly a bit light, but its the source material (which includes the characters) which makes it so appealing to many.

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WhiteHorseRide
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The newer designs change what was charming about it in the first place. If those fans were still fans during that stage then they could have kept that design and then everyone would still be happy. Instead they marginalize those that loved the original style.

Does anyone feel like they are going through ancient ~200 AD. china anymore when they play this series? DW4 was the last one to be really like that.
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Valvatorez
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where's the scan? o.o
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WhiteHorseRide
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UpInMahBubble
Tue Feb 1, 2011 4:54 pm
Rather irksome than guys all clad in armour looking the same
Except no one looked the same in DW3 or 4.

Running out of counter points.
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WhiteHorseRide
Tue Feb 1, 2011 4:50 pm
They do ruin it, because they are the ones that encourage the irksome designs to keep going.


Do the chater designs really matter that much to you? The story and gameplay are what I buy games for. I don't really care too much for the aesthetic side of it all. Yea, characters looking epic is great, but I'd the games dull and lifeless, it completely out weighs it.
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WhiteHorseRide
Tue Feb 1, 2011 4:57 pm
UpInMahBubble
Tue Feb 1, 2011 4:54 pm
Rather irksome than guys all clad in armour looking the same
Except no one looked the same in DW3 or 4.

Running out of counter points.
The series loosely follows ROTK. Not completely. So of course all the characters looked different.Koei can still put their unique spin on all the characters.But if it were to follow ROTK and actually make everybody look like they were from 200AD everybody would look kinda generic.

Bottom line is Koei decide what the characters look like, not the fanbase. So there's really no point in going about blaming them just cause you don't like the look of one or two characters.
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but first...
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dancingswan
Tue Feb 1, 2011 3:15 pm
Moogle
Tue Feb 1, 2011 3:11 pm
SazukeEX
Tue Feb 1, 2011 3:01 pm
Well, this is a forum? It's a safe bet that dissapointed fans will vent. As for me?

I've just gone into denial that Koei would forget adding in Wen Yang.
Feel free to vent but it's not great that I come on here after a day at school but can't find the information or spoilers that people are complaining about because the whole topic is filled with "venting"

But other than the LBP Lady Bu, Lu Bu and the Xing Cai spoiler, was there any other news?
Wei Yan's weapon. The Double voulge is supposed to come back, we kind of already knew that.

Sun Jian is going to have white hair again.

And No Guo Jia.

I think that's it.
thank you very much, all good news for me then :'D
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Yuan-te
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Tue Feb 1, 2011 4:59 pm
WhiteHorseRide
Tue Feb 1, 2011 4:50 pm
They do ruin it, because they are the ones that encourage the irksome designs to keep going.
Do the chater designs really matter that much to you? The story and gameplay are what I buy games for. I don't really care too much for the aesthetic side of it all. Yea, characters looking epic is great, but I'd the games dull and lifeless, it completely out weighs it.
I agree with this to an extent.

However pre-release there isnt a lot else to discuss pertaining to the game - thus discussions like these are, unfortunately, inevitable.
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So yeah, I've went through every new page since I last logged off. I'm glad the madness is gone now, for the most part.

Xing Cai spoilers, you say? I couldn't resist taking a peek at Trevor's spoiler tags, and thankfully I closed it before reading too much. I'll abstain from seeking any, since the localization is so close to the Japanese release date. Unsurprisingly or not, I haven't read any SW3 spoilers since I'm still waiting for an Xbox 360 version to come out... :whistle: Hope the Xing Cai stuff lives up to its hype, though.

They impressed me with how Lian Shi became one of Sun Shangxiang's handmaidens. Still wouldn't put her in if I were managing KOEI, but at least she has more relations, a link to the past and what-not. It might be frightening to see her live all the way in the 200's all the way to Wu's fall at 280 though, so I'm still left to wonder how many unique generals will be at later Wu.

Guan Suo, still eh. Not looking forward to the lovefest between him and Bao (as I think Seraphil described), but all we can hope for is that they don't make him terrible. It's bad enough Guan Yu has two sons in the game, not because it's his, but Guan Ping wasn't that interesting despite his potential.

The information on Chronicle mode reminds me of Xtreme in past titles, only expanded more. Excited about all the new stages (Lu Meng studying? How'll that work? :P )!

Oh well, will buy the game, will have fun, will still play as Guan Suo, Bao Sanniang, and Lian Shi and max them out, the world hasn't ended, for now all I can do is look forward. For DW8. And to have my sweet, sweet glory when Yu Jin, Cao Xiu and Zhang Ni become playable characters, Pang De comes back, and all that jazz.

If I remember correctly, Seraphil said the source for the leaks (?) was the asme one who said the new RoTK game is to be announced in May, right? Weeee.

Kudos to Yuan-te, by the way.
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Also, there's Xing Cai spoilers?

what are they? I want to knoooooow ._.
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Valvatorez
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where is the scans u guys are viewing?
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Rather avoid spoilers. They do have more impact first time while playing.
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Valbatoze
Tue Feb 1, 2011 5:06 pm
where is the scans u guys are viewing?
We're just waiting for someone to post it up here.

http://yuzuru.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/gamehis/1296573735/l50
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Tue Feb 1, 2011 5:09 pm
Valbatoze
Tue Feb 1, 2011 5:06 pm
where is the scans u guys are viewing?
We're just waiting for someone to post it up here.

http://yuzuru.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/gamehis/1296573735/l50
oh i see, thanks xD, i thought it was already posted, since they seemed to talk as if it was o.O
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This wait is harder than waiting for the next Super Smash Bros. Brawl newcomer. :XD
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Wow, Too many pages have pasted since I last logged, and im not reading them all, so Can someone mind telling whats going on? :o
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