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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
Topic Started: Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:32 am (1,040,061 Views)
GuardianAlexio
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So if the rumor is true, then Wei got the short end of the stick. Not going to say that Jia Xu or Cai Wenji (regardless if you consider her new or not) are terrible additions, but they lose two members, while Shu gets four new characters?

Wow... did Wei lose the recent popularity contest in Japan or what? Even Wu got Da Qiao back and two new characters (possibly, anyway). Dyamn.

Cao Cao must have pissed in the director's Cheerios or something.
Well you do have to think that there is potential for some of the Jin characters to actually show up for Wei as well. Sima Yi, Guo Huai, even Xiahou Ba & Deng Ai could all still have a small role in Wei battles.

So yeah Wei may be getting the short end if you are going by the technical terms of their roster, but like some people have said, Jin can be considered an extension of Wei at least somewhat.
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:03 am
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:54 am
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:49 am
lets not forget cai wen ji was also added to wei! and by the way what is 2ch?
She`s not new character. Wen Ji was not in the main game but she appeared in MR2. So don`t count her.
This is her first time in a main DW game so yeah she is new. For those who haven't played MR2 or even heard of it she is new. So as Fantaji said Semi-new at best.
Even if she's considered semi-new, doesn't make up for the fact that Wei lost two characters still. Jia Xu is MORE than enough to make up for the loss of Sima Yi (eh, in my opinion anyway), but Cai Wenji doesn't really fill in that spot that Pang De leaves. To look on the bright side, Koei might be revamping Pang De's personality, and maybe in DW8 he'll be revealed, alongside with Yu Jin. I'm spitting mad about him possibly being cut a second time, but I guess there's little to be done about that. Sad to see him go...
Hope that the rumors or fake or that he will appear in DW7XL Chibi. ^_^

I really don't see a woman as taking the spot of a potential male add but a potential female add. But I understand what you mean Chibi. I still think though that we should be counting some of the new and old Jin characters a Wei as well. Depending on how the story is done they may very well be.
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You both raise some very good points... Still disappointed about Pang De, but that's a given, considering I actually liked him (despite his many flaws). And I really have nothing against Cai Wenji's addition at all... more of it is directed at Koei's decision to cut Pang De (and Cai Wenji's inclusion has little to do with that, I think). So, not trying to bash her.

I'll get over it. There may still be hope that the rumor is false anyway.
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Now watch as the new famitsu is full of characters no one is hyped about, only curious. none of the leaked people, no one new, and we all have to sit around for an extra two weeks fretting about Pang De being cut or Xiahou Ba getting shown or not and lack of lu bu just to make things nuts.

1) Expect the worst. When you get mediocre, things turned out better then expected.

2) hope for the best. Without hope we may as all not care.

Just saying, i hope pang de gets back in, though i never liked playing as him (i just can't play people that slow! Augh! :kurokan: ) there's no reason to just off him. Plus didn't they outright say all cut characters would return? Zuo Ci is understandable, but pang de? he wasn't just some nutjob mystic. :/
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I really hope Pang De has not been cut >_> I did find it interesting on that in DW6 his name did not even show up anywhere O_O not even as a Generic Officer, I guess it was understandable since he was cut.

And if they had to add another female, as far Cai Wenji goes, I would rather of had Lü Lingqi ^_^
Edited by DW3Girl, Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:35 am.
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i wonder if they're gonna do character intros before you fight them or if they're gonna bring duels back idk if they are or not but i'd be ok with that and mabye themes for characters while you them but thats just a thought :P
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Plus didn't they outright say all cut characters would return?
No, it was assumed from a producer interview. As Seraphil has pointed out here it doesn't say all characters are coming back, but that Koei was trying to give back to long time fans by giving them "some" familiar faces, like Da Qiao and Xing Cai.
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Remove again Pang De is really not logical, I do not really understand why. KOEI is lacking inspiration? They do not know what to do with this character, so they delete it again? Really bad. Pang De is a character appreciated by many, and I think it's a very bad decision to remove it again.
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Pang De remind me Chinese version of Shibata and I like them both. Moreover he has strong connection with my favorite character in DW series. I can`t dislike him. Moreover in DW5 he was my favorite Wei character. Koei please bring him back... :sad:
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What!? No Pang De! :sad: I hope the rumors are semi-true and semi-false

I like the idea that they are adding a new female charater in the roster, but in Wu....... So sadly no Lu Lingqi, Guo Nuwang, Dong Bai or Zhang Chunhua. I think it would be better if they would add a female character in Wei, Jin or Others to balance the female characters.

I can't wait to see this new female character... So Shu:3, Wei:2 excluding Zhang He, Wu:4, Jin:1, Others:2.

Its really disappointing to hear that Zuo Ci and Pang De are cut. I like Pang De's relationship/camaraderie/brotherhood thing with Ma Chao as well as his awesome/ unique look and personality. It sucks to bid him farewell. :sad:

Offtopic: Can anyone post a pic/screenshot of Dong Bai in Edit:DW6 Empires pretty please. ^_^ I want to see her badly. thanks...
Edited by Lady Emilie, Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:07 am.
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guys relax remember the other rumors about Lu Kang getting in and he is a generic now so those rumors were false so we just have to wait for some new info to determine if the new rumors are true!
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:02 am
Offtopic: Can anyone post a pic/screenshot of Dong Bai in MR2 pretty please. ^_^ I want to see her badly. thanks...
Huh? Dong Bai is not in MULTI RAID 2.
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Offtopic: Can anyone post a pic/screenshot of Dong Bai in MR2 pretty please. ^_^ I want to see her badly. thanks...
Huh? Dong Bai is not in MULTI RAID 2.
Sorry... ^_^ What I meant was DW6 Empires. Thanks for correcting. ^_^
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Omg, Guan Suo and Bao Sanniang... I dunno about you guys, but those two spots definitely could have been reserved for some more important characters -_- If Bao Sanniang is added then Guan Suo is most likely going to be added... unless they screw up her story (which Koei made themselves) and make her like someone else.

I really hope these rumors are false.

BTW, did anyone realize that Wang Yuanji's VA is Kanae Ito? I squealed like a little girl because I love her voice acting. No wonder she sounds so awesome... wish she was more of a death loli though.
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Surely Pang De will make it... or was he stupidly unpopular in Japan? KOEI have never pretended to give a damn about the West, so we could all QQ a river and they wouldnt blink.
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I'm just praying to God that Pang De is not cut out... He was one of my favorite characters.... Perhaps even in my top five favorite.... Well, whatever...
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I still don't see why everyone is panicking over a possible rumor. Even in Japan, people don't know the final roster of the game (unless someone on 2ch works for Koei, but that would be extremely bad of them to leak info like that), so until Koei says it themselves, there is still a chance that Pang De will be returning.

Also, this game is supposed to have over 60 characters...that was including all the returning old one's (except maybe Zuo Ci, but I still hope he is in also!) and new faces.

By cutting characters, Koei wouldn't have learned anything from the atrocity that was DW6.
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It may be a rumor, but it seems to be true. Jia Xu and Xiahou Ba are in this list, and they make good use of these new characters in the game.

What really bothers me is the deletion of Pang De... If this is true, it would be a really bad decision from KOEI. Unjustified, in addition to that.
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:49 am
It may be a rumor, but it seems to be true. Jia Xu and Xiahou Ba are in this list, and they make good use of these new characters in the game.

What really bothers me is the deletion of Pang De... If this is true, it would be a really bad decision from KOEI. Unjustified, in addition to that.
Just because it seems to be true, my dear, doesn't mean that it is. Not everything is always as it seems.
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:51 am
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:49 am
It may be a rumor, but it seems to be true. Jia Xu and Xiahou Ba are in this list, and they make good use of these new characters in the game.

What really bothers me is the deletion of Pang De... If this is true, it would be a really bad decision from KOEI. Unjustified, in addition to that.
Just because it seems to be true, my dear, doesn't mean that it is. Not everything is always as it seems.
Yeah, I'm not saying it is 100% reliable, but there are still chances.
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:45 am
By cutting characters, Koei wouldn't have learned anything from the atrocity that was DW6.
That's not necessarily true. Cut characters aren't exactly the end of the world, I think. There's already like 70+ characters to play with that have a broad diversity of weapon move sets already, and it looks like they're making an attempt to actually make the characters and story more interesting with the addition of Jin.

I think the major mistake that KOEI made was not just cutting out characters such as Da Qiao and Xing Cai that, for the most part, provided a lot of market value to their games, but they tried too hard to make their characters mainstream to the point that the characters weren't really their original selves anymore. Hence, why people complain about certain characters looks or condensing all the girls' voices to the job of one VA, and etc.

Keeping characters cut out from DW7 doesn't entirely mean they haven't learned anything - in fact that'd be a long stretch to claim at all because we haven't even gotten the game in full package to make a decent judgment of whether KOEI 'screwed up' again. Furthermore even if the rumors were true, and Pang De WAS cut out, that still wouldn't mean KOEI was a screw up because again, there's the rest of the entire game that we can still search for merit within.
Edited by Nida, Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:01 am.
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:59 am
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By cutting characters, Koei wouldn't have learned anything from the atrocity that was DW6.
That's not necessarily true. Cut characters aren't exactly the end of the world, I think. There's already like 70+ characters to play with that have a broad diversity of weapon move sets already, and it looks like they're making an attempt to actually make the characters and story more interesting with the addition of Jin.

I think the major mistake that KOEI made was not just cutting out characters such as Da Qiao and Xing Cai that, for the most part, provided a lot of market value to their games, but they tried too hard to make their characters mainstream to the point that the characters weren't really their original selves anymore. Hence, why people complain about certain characters looks or condensing all the girls' voices to the job of one VA, and etc.

Keeping characters cut out from DW7 doesn't entirely mean they haven't learned anything - in fact that'd be a long stretch to claim at all because we haven't even gotten the game in full package to make a decent judgment of whether KOEI 'screwed up' again. Furthermore even if the rumors were true, and Pang De WAS cut out, that still wouldn't mean KOEI was a screw up because again, there's the rest of the entire game that we can still search for merit within.
You do have a point, but why would Koei promise 60 + characters, randomly cut characters (if they indeed do so), and replace the cut characters that already have a fanbase with people entirely different?

Maybe it's good marketing on their part, but there are fans that do love Pang De, and even Zuo Ci. I don't think Pang De will be cut because it appears that Zhang Liao is using the same type of halberds that Pang De would use, but then again, I could be wrong.

Regardless, I am still buying this game. I just hope for the best.
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:54 am
Wow... did Wei lose the recent popularity contest in Japan or what? Even Wu got Da Qiao back and two new characters (possibly, anyway). Dyamn.

Cao Cao must have pissed in the director's Cheerios or something.
Koei has always been completely Shu biased. This has been pretty obvious forever now in all the DW and ROTK titles.
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Wow... did Wei lose the recent popularity contest in Japan or what? Even Wu got Da Qiao back and two new characters (possibly, anyway). Dyamn.

Cao Cao must have pissed in the director's Cheerios or something.
Koei has always been completely Shu biased. This has been pretty obvious forever now in all the DW and ROTK titles.
It had been noticed. Dynasty Warriors 7 shows once again that the Shu is highlighted, with its story and added four new characters (if Liu Shan and Guan Suo added).
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If Pang De WAS cut, it probably wasn't in terms of marketing. Most likely, they didn't really know how to utilize him into their 'big master plan', which would be a pretty weak excuse even when I think about it.

What my thoughts are is that they're relying on the new Kingdom of Jin to rejuvenate the fan-base to their game entirely, considering DW6 was a total upset. If they wanted to do that while they were potentially cutting characters, KOEI would want to bring in new, fresh and young characters rather than keeping an "overlooked" character (overlooked in quotes seeing as Pang De seems to actually have a number of fans) that doesn't seem very promising in their eyes.
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