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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
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Demonic Warrior
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:11 pm
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:08 pm
Y'know I'm surprised people haven't gotten used to left-field adds yet. DW4 we had Yue Ying DW5 we had pretty much every new character rather left-field except Cao Pi SW2 we had Sakon, Nene, Ginchiyo and Musashi. Kinda Kotaro too. SW3 we had Kaihime and Motonari on grounds of people not even knowing who he was at first due to not doing their research. Heck Ujiyasu himself too, I know I've seen some people ask "why does a sucky weak clan like Hojo get an add over Baba Nobufusa/Kakizaki Kageie/Uesugi Kagekatsu/Takeda Katsuyori/insert a dozen Takeda or Uesugi names here" And now for DW7 we have maybe four left-field adds alongside a ton of expected ones? Not bad at all if you ask me. It's like people have already forgotten that we've gotten: Deng Ai, Zhong Hui, Ding Feng, Ma Dai, Xiahou Ba and to lesser extent Sima Zhao as expected adds.
And yet they're crying their eyes out for that . . . Pang De . . strange, quite strange.
Uh, have you ever heard of a certain... Invasion of Fan Castle (Jing), where, before Wu arrives, the main conflict is Pang De X Guan Yu? Did you know that Pang De served three great men (Ma Teng, Zhang Lu and Cao Cao) who relied on him a lot? Do you know that, only by dying, many of the famous Wei generals finally admitted De's loyalty?

Oh, and, to your Wu female point, let's see: Two poorly personalized sisters (you know who I'm talking about) and 1 freaking crazy woman whose own merits to be in DW are questionable. I agree with more Wu females, if at least those first two were risked from the cast. Seriously, Koei seems to treat all females they do as either "tomboyish" or "useless". Yue Ying is the only real exception. Wang Yuanji could start to change this, though.

Also, Wu isn't in need of females. Wei is.

For real, KOEI can add as many females as they/you want, but do them right, and be criterious in their adds at least
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Not speaking historically, but in the game. Anyway, if possible, do enlighten me of her merits, if you know who I'm speaking of :whistle:
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Seraphil
Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:18 am
Yue Ying's another character that was not particularly popular in Japan pre-DW6. Her massive style change in DW6 was apparently an attempt to invigorate her popularity.
That surprises me because I'd seen a fair amount of DW4/DW5-styled Yue Ying art from the Japanese fan base. Then again, I'm probably missing some other massive source of market research, especially with the language barrier. :hehe:

Do you know if there were similar possible reasons for reinventing Cao Ren as a scary hulking bruiser? A friend of mine wondered if there had been some fanbase push for his more hotheaded ROTK personality. I didn't see any such implications in the art I came across - but again, I have no way to follow Japanese message boards and such.
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:25 pm
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:18 am
Yue Ying's another character that was not particularly popular in Japan pre-DW6. Her massive style change in DW6 was apparently an attempt to invigorate her popularity.
That surprises me because I'd seen a fair amount of DW4/DW5-styled Yue Ying art from the Japanese fan base. Then again, I'm probably missing some other massive source of market research, especially with the language barrier. :hehe: Do you know if there were similar possible reasons for reinventing Cao Ren as a scary hulking bruiser? A friend of mine wondered if there had been some fanbase push for his more hotheaded ROTK personality. I didn't see any such implications in the art I came across - but again, I have no way to follow Japanese message boards and such.
The reason, Rydain, is that Koei and Cao Ren never got along well. So, as many fans complained about DW6, poor Cao Ren was the one to suffer. Yet another of Koei's heresies

And no, I'm not trying to make Cao Ren bad. I like Cao Ren, historically
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:51 pm
We had another rumoured list a few weeks ago that was proved wrong. What makes this new one more credible?
Because it's already half right and seems pretty plausible.

Also, the closer you get to a game's release the better chances of rumors being true. Every game will always have some true rumors about them, this just might be DW7's. :C
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Cao Ren's been dead for 2 milleniums. What do you mean he didn't get along with Koei?

As for Shang Xiang, she's pretty much the most popular woman from the era, and she has many tales surrounding her, that could make up for a good story. Hell, I think her stories has always been good, even in DW6 (despite her terrible voice)

And don't bring "Lady Wu Luban blablabla". I would love to have em too, but they had different appeal.
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:36 pm
Cao Ren's been dead for 2 milleniums. What do you mean he didn't get along with Koei? As for Shang Xiang, she's pretty much the most popular woman from the era, and she has many tales surrounding her, that could make up for a good story. Hell, I think her stories have always been good, even in DW6 (despite her terrible voice) And don't bring "Lady Wu Luban blablabla". I would love to have em too, but they had different appeal.
I meant in the sense that it seems KOEI dislikes Cao Ren and the Kingdom of Wei... a lot

DW6 Cao Ren already was deformed, now DW7 Cao Ren.

I see where you come from with Sun Shang Xiang, but they could at least make her have a more... uh.. Sun Shang Xiang personality. Her persona in games (DW6, especially) almost equals the Qiaos. Almost. Oh, and releasing her from Liu Bei could do her well in the long run

Indeed, they have different appeal, but Wu is lacking more mature and less benevolent females

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Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:31 pm
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:51 pm
We had another rumoured list a few weeks ago that was proved wrong. What makes this new one more credible?
Because it's already half right and seems pretty plausible.

Also, the closer you get to a game's release the better chances of rumors being true. Every game will always have some true rumors about them, this just might be DW7's. :C
Not to mention its a nice topic for debating in this thread.

...reeegarding that list, only glad about Liu Chan, thats about it. Sucky that no Pang De and Zuo Ci though, so kinda hope that part is not true.

And Xiahou Ba? Playable?! Im shocked.
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:31 pm
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:51 pm
We had another rumoured list a few weeks ago that was proved wrong. What makes this new one more credible?
Because it's already half right and seems pretty plausible.

Also, the closer you get to a game's release the better chances of rumors being true. Every game will always have some true rumors about them, this just might be DW7's. :C
Well Xiahou Ba and Jia Xu were both not major surprises. The others that are apparently in dont seem to be the types of exciting new characters that you'd save untill near the end to see. That's the sort of thing for someone either widely anticipated or someone so unlikely it's a huge surprise, but still a great character to add, which to me neither Lady Bu or Guan Suo fits really.

And also the rumour rate, whether true or not always will increase the closer to release something gets.
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We should not kid ourselves, this list seems quite possible, far more than the former. All I hope is that Zuo Ci only be deleted.
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:27 pm
The reason, Rydain, is that Koei and Cao Ren never got along well. So, as many fans complained about DW6, poor Cao Ren was the one to suffer. Yet another of Koei's heresies

And no, I'm not trying to make Cao Ren bad. I like Cao Ren, historically
I disagree - I thought the classic era design teams liked Cao Ren quite a lot. They made him a sympathetic figure to balance out the Bad Guy vibe of Wei, and he seems to be based on his talented, disciplined historical persona rather than his atrocious portrayal in ROTK. With his somber, stoic presence and buckler blade, he defined a unique Sensitive Badass archetype - distasteful of war but prepared to throw his body on the line in the protection of others. In terms of displaying nuanced personality, his DW5 musou mode was one of the best.

I agree that Ren could have used a more intimidating screen presence, which was why I loved the blurry preview scans of his DW7 armor before I could see the gorilla misproportions and the fugly new face. I'm just trying to understand why KOEI changed him to the degree of near-unrecognizability - even to the point of throwing out his old face model - and torpedoed his sensitive side as well. He went from the "You leave me no choice" guy to "How stupid can you be? Be punished!"
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:43 pm
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:27 pm
The reason, Rydain, is that Koei and Cao Ren never got along well. So, as many fans complained about DW6, poor Cao Ren was the one to suffer. Yet another of Koei's heresies And no, I'm not trying to make Cao Ren bad. I like Cao Ren, historically
I disagree - I thought the classic era design teams liked Cao Ren quite a lot. They made him a sympathetic figure to balance out the Bad Guy vibe of Wei, and he seems to be based on his talented, disciplined historical persona rather than his atrocious portrayal in ROTK. With his somber, stoic presence and buckler blade, he defined a unique Sensitive Badass archetype - distasteful of war but prepared to throw his body on the line in the protection of others. In terms of displaying nuanced personality, his DW5 musou mode was one of the best. I agree that Ren could have used a more intimidating screen presence, which was why I loved the blurry preview scans of his DW7 armor before I could see the gorilla misproportions and the fugly new face. I'm just trying to understand why KOEI changed him to the degree of near-unrecognizability - even to the point of throwing out his old face model - and torpedoed his sensitive side as well. He went from the "You leave me no choice" guy to "How stupid can you be? Be punished!"
I'd say that DW6 started that process. But what I meant is that, with this cool vibe of Ren, they ended up underrating his own capabilities. Let's agree that, to resist Zhou Yu (he'd be successful, weren't it for Niu Jin) and Guan Yu (even though he was advised by Man Chong, but he did need Leading abilities anyway) and some others, the guy had to be capable.

I only played DW5 and 6, so I can't tell for sure. But 6 crueled a lot of people
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:39 pm
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:36 pm
Cao Ren's been dead for 2 milleniums. What do you mean he didn't get along with Koei? As for Shang Xiang, she's pretty much the most popular woman from the era, and she has many tales surrounding her, that could make up for a good story. Hell, I think her stories have always been good, even in DW6 (despite her terrible voice) And don't bring "Lady Wu Luban blablabla". I would love to have em too, but they had different appeal.
I meant in the sense that it seems KOEI dislikes Cao Ren and the Kingdom of Wei... a lot

DW6 Cao Ren already was deformed, now DW7 Cao Ren.

I see where you come from with Sun Shang Xiang, but they could at least make her have a more... uh.. Sun Shang Xiang personality. Her persona almost equals the Qiaos. Almost. Oh, and releasing her from Liu Bei could do her well in the long run

Indeed, they have different appeal, but Wu is lacking more mature and less benevolent females

Well Da Qiao acts mature despite her youthful look (and she finally grow a pair look older now), but I get the gist. Then again we haven't seen much of the new Shang.

I also don't see how Koei hates Wei. I mean sure they seem to favor Shu, but hate Wei? No.
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:36 pm
Cao Ren's been dead for 2 milleniums. What do you mean he didn't get along with Koei? As for Shang Xiang, she's pretty much the most popular woman from the era, and she has many tales surrounding her, that could make up for a good story. Hell, I think her stories have always been good, even in DW6 (despite her terrible voice) And don't bring "Lady Wu Luban blablabla". I would love to have em too, but they had different appeal.
I meant in the sense that it seems KOEI dislikes Cao Ren and the Kingdom of Wei... a lot DW6 Cao Ren already was deformed, now DW7 Cao Ren. I see where you come from with Sun Shang Xiang, but they could at least make her have a more... uh.. Sun Shang Xiang personality. Her persona almost equals the Qiaos. Almost. Oh, and releasing her from Liu Bei could do her well in the long run Indeed, they have different appeal, but Wu is lacking more mature and less benevolent females
Well Da Qiao acts mature despite her youthful look (and she finally grow a pair look older now), but I get the gist. Then again we haven't seen much of the new Shang. I also don't see how Koei hates Wei. I mean sure they seem to favor Shu, but hate Wei? No.
Well, Wei guys are generally underrated (Xu Huang, Xu Zhu and Cao Ren, most common examples), Wei always seem to lose in the end (notice that, even if you play as Wei, Wu or Shu, mainly Shu, always win at some point. Not the land, but the honor maybe). And I said dislike, not hate. Dislike =/= Hate
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:57 pm
Well, Wei guys are generally underrated (Xu Huang, Xu Zhu and Cao Ren, most common examples), Wei always seem to lose in the end (notice that, even if you play as Wei, Wu or Shu, mainly Shu, always win at some point. Not the land, but the honor maybe). And I said dislike, not hate. Dislike =/= Hate
Well the underrating of characters is often down to fans. Personally Xu Huang is a favorite and I do feel that he is treated fairly by KOEI in his portrayal, if almost slightly underused. And the main KOEI portray of Shu being honorable is partly down to the novel as much as the game.

If they really were as Shu biased as you're making out, then Shu would be the only kingdom playable in the games, with the rest being all relegated to UNPCs.
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Well, Wei guys are generally underrated (Xu Huang, Xu Zhu and Cao Ren, most common examples), Wei always seem to lose in the end (notice that, even if you play as Wei, Wu or Shu, mainly Shu, always win at some point. Not the land, but the honor maybe). And I said dislike, not hate. Dislike =/= Hate
Well the underrating of characters is often down to fans. Personally Xu Huang is a favorite and I do feel that he is treated fairly by KOEI in his portrayal, if almost slightly underused. And the main KOEI portray of Shu being honorable is partly down to the novel as much as the game. If they really were as Shu biased as you're making out, then Shu would be the only kingdom playable in the games, with the rest being all relegated to UNPCs.
If you look at Huang's historical achievements, he'll be an even more favorite of yours, and you'll know that KOEI is underrating him to near crap. Cao Ren is underrated, no doubt. Same to Xu Zhu

Oh, and, that thing you said would be Radicalism by KOEI's part. It seems that you people, some of you, think that it's either 8 or 80, like we say here. For a kingdom to be highlighted, at least one another must suffer, in such a game as DW
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:46 am
Waifu for Sun Quan will make Jiahe rage, and I wouldn't be too happy about that either.
This. I am not happy if the rumor is true. WHY KOEI? What significant importance would adding in Quan's wife would bring to this game? Seriously, Lady Wu would be a better add on then this. I would rather watch a mother bond with her children then another wife stalking her husband on the battlefield cheering them on. Ugh, I think I am going to cry if this truly becomes true...

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Like what, the choice of female characters seem really... random.
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:36 pm
Cao Ren's been dead for 2 milleniums. What do you mean he didn't get along with Koei? As for Shang Xiang, she's pretty much the most popular woman from the era, and she has many tales surrounding her, that could make up for a good story. Hell, I think her stories have always been good, even in DW6 (despite her terrible voice) And don't bring "Lady Wu Luban blablabla". I would love to have em too, but they had different appeal.
I meant in the sense that it seems KOEI dislikes Cao Ren and the Kingdom of Wei... a lot

DW6 Cao Ren already was deformed, now DW7 Cao Ren.

I see where you come from with Sun Shang Xiang, but they could at least make her have a more... uh.. Sun Shang Xiang personality. Her persona almost equals the Qiaos. Almost. Oh, and releasing her from Liu Bei could do her well in the long run

Indeed, they have different appeal, but Wu is lacking more mature and less benevolent females

Well Da Qiao acts mature despite her youthful look (and she finally grow a pair look older now), but I get the gist. Then again we haven't seen much of the new Shang.

I also don't see how Koei hates Wei. I mean sure they seem to favor Shu, but hate Wei? No.
Wait wait wait... People still think of Da Qiao as a freaking Loli? Xiao Qiao, I can understand, but seriously? If it's because she's not as tall as the other women, than that's a pretty stupid reason (And even then she's not that short). If they guys could vary in height and still look mature, why can't the women?

And as for Wei, yeah while they may not exactly hate them (They're most certainly portrayed more sympathetically than they were in earlier installments), there's no doubt that Shu is the favorite of the Three Kingdoms + Jin.
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:28 pm
Like what, the choice of female characters seem really... random.
Aha random, better add lady in Wei, Jin or Others. Maybe it`s joke about that girl (lady Bu) and guy who posted it just her fan. <_< Better be this rumours on 50% true. I mean only Liu Chan will be added (for me better that Guan Suo spot will be empty) and no Pang De left cutting.
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Actually, the new female character's addition makes perfect sense. KOEI are really just adding on more couples, so they will appeal to female audiences. If these latest rumors are true then we'll have 11 couples for this game. Possibly 12 if Cai Wenji's relationship with Cao Cao is included in the storyline.

DW7 Couples:
Liu Bei - Sun Shang Xiang
Liu Shan -Xing Cai
Zhuge Liang - Yue Ying
Guan Suo - Bao San Niang
Cao Pi - Zhen Ji
Sun Ce - Da Qiao
Zhou Yu - Xiao Qiao
Sun Quan - Lady Bu
Sima Zhao - Wang Yuanji
Meng Huo - Zhu Rong
Lu Bu - Diao Chan
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In a sense, I can understand that Wu has a new female character. There has not been any since Dynasty Warriors 3. Knowing that some count Cai Wen Ji as new, Wei has received a female character too. This list seems more than real, and do not bother me.

All I want, this is the deletion of Pang De is false.
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Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:51 pm
DW7 Couples:
Liu Bei - Sun Shang Xiang: I'm there for you my lord!
Liu Shan -Xing Cai: I'm there for you my lord!
Zhuge Liang - Yue Ying: I'm there for you my lord!
Guan Suo - Bao San Niang: lol stalk
Cao Pi - Zhen Ji: I'm there for you my lord!
Sun Ce - Da Qiao: I'm there for you my lord!
Zhou Yu - Xiao Qiao: I'm there for you my lord!/annoying voice
Sun Quan - Lady Bu: I'm there for you my lord!
Sima Zhao - Wang Yuanji: Don't give a crap about you
Meng Huo - Zhu Rong: Don't give a crap about you
Lu Bu - Diao Chan: I don't even know
Diversity! DW sure knows how to make interesting females, and making them waifus? GREAT! Even more diverse!

The last thing we need is another one to bring down Sun Quan, I can't stand the hubbies mostly because of their companions, I don't want to not be able to stand Quan, hopefully he'll be able to still be a good character like his brother. :mellow:

Still taking this with a grain of salt of course. But srsly, Lady Bu, stfo
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Possibly 12 if Cai Wenji's relationship with Cao Cao is included in the storyline.
Cao Cao and Cai Wen Ji likely to have a father-daughter relationship.
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