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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
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Jin is not Wei exactly. It's called Jin for a reason! It's a new order! A new rule! A new banner! :XD

If someone takes over a kingdom under a new rule, they can change the name into whatever they want. It a country completely took over another country, they have every authority to change the name and flag of the country (and it's happened in history.)

Same for family household. If a family was replaced by another family, that house would be under a new name.

It's not the same, even if servants of the previous family join the new family.

Jin is Jin, not Wei. :)
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Jin is not Wei exactly. It's called Jin for a reason! It's a new order! A new rule! A new banner! :XD

If someone takes over a kingdom under a new rule, they can change the name into whatever they want. It a country completely took over another country, they have every authority to change the name and flag of the country (and it's happened in history.)

Same for family household. If a family was replaced by another family, that house would be under a new name.

It's not the same, even if servants of the previous family join the new family.

Jin is Jin, not Wei. :)
Ok. Go read the novel, and tell me when you first see the name Jin. Please do that. There is a reason Wei has the least characters. Because if you add Wei and Jin, it isn't the least. I'm not arguing this point with people anymore. Its pointless.
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as someone said above: boobs furen. ehhh shes okay. face is very mature, boobs to big, face too long, but ok seeing as im only really ever gonna see her ass
this is true playing her is guna be like.... Bayonetta like honestly? shes a good design but not what i thaught she would be.... but good pics of Lu Bu and Sun Quan too :P
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As a faction, Wei has the least characters out of the 3 kingdam. It doesn't really matter if Jin officers serve Wei. Since that argument can also be used on someone like Jiang Wei who served Wei first and then joined Shu. Same with Xiahou Ba, who should have been in Shu in the first place. If Pang De doesn't return, then Wei will have even fewer characters than Wu and Shu.
Shu extends from 184 to 265. Wei is cut off at 234 and Jin takes over for them. Jin is Wei. Regardless of what Koei is calling them, in the novel Jin is called Wei. Just because they won't be playable in Wei's kingdom mode doesn't mean they aren't closely affiliated with them and won't be present. If we go by your logic, then Liu Shan's Shu should be considered completely different from Liu Bei's Shu.
You lost me. Liu Chan Shu = Liu Bei Shu simply because its Shu. Wei doesn't = Jin simply because Sima Family took over it. Thus Wei became Jin. Thats why Koei added Jin faction. Otherwise all the Jin character could have been added to Wei and there would be no reason to add Jin.
They added Jin because they wanted to add another faction for the Sima's. Its still Wei. If they didn't call it Jin, and all three kingdoms went to the end, then every character added to Jin would be on Wei. And guess what? There would be an uproar about Wei getting so many characters (9+ Jia Xu). But since they are calling it Jin it is all good? Please spare me the Wei is getting the short end of the stick argument. If anyone is getting that, its Wu.
Read Saner post. Jin is a completely is a different kingdam for a reason. If it was Wei then there would be no reason to change the colour, banners, flag, etc. :rolleyes:

Wu's got Ding Feng and Sun Quan's wife. They have 2 new characters.

Wei as a playable faction has the least characters. Sima Yi left and Pang De has been cut.
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Lian Shi is a MILF and i think that tecmo designed he because her costume looks exactly like something out of ninja gaiden sigma
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Technically, Wei has more characters, yes. I'm sorry, but "Jin" is not really "Jin". I see it more like a Wei˛, for my part. If I do not count Sima Yi, Sima Shi, Sima Zhao and Wang Yuanji, the rest are considered as characters for Wei. It is as if Wei has 18 characters with Zhuge Dan, Deng Ai, Zhong Hui, Guo Huai and Xiahou Ba if we do not put in the Shu.


I agree with you Fantaji about this point, although even the three Simas are technically Wei specially Sima Yi because all of three died while the empire was still Wei. However, Koei and for some odd reason want us to think that Wei ended after the "Wu Zhang Plains" and that's injustice. So, they should pay more attention to my favorite Kingdom (Wei).
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as someone said above: boobs furen. ehhh shes okay. face is very mature, boobs to big, face too long, but ok seeing as im only really ever gonna see her ass
this is true playing her is guna be like.... Bayonetta like honestly? shes a good design but not what i thaught she would be.... but good pics of Lu Bu and Sun Quan too :P
Ha Ha she kinda does look like Bayonetta, but I like the cross bow, goes with her outfit.
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You're not the only one who feels that Jin isn't really Jin... We'll have to wait for maybe DW8 to get the true Jin.

The missing ones that are very important are Du Yu, Jia Chong, Sima Yan, Wen Yang, and Yang Hu.
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Shu extends from 184 to 265. Wei is cut off at 234 and Jin takes over for them. Jin is Wei. Regardless of what Koei is calling them, in the novel Jin is called Wei. Just because they won't be playable in Wei's kingdom mode doesn't mean they aren't closely affiliated with them and won't be present. If we go by your logic, then Liu Shan's Shu should be considered completely different from Liu Bei's Shu.
You lost me. Liu Chan Shu = Liu Bei Shu simply because its Shu. Wei doesn't = Jin simply because Sima Family took over it. Thus Wei became Jin. Thats why Koei added Jin faction. Otherwise all the Jin character could have been added to Wei and there would be no reason to add Jin.
They added Jin because they wanted to add another faction for the Sima's. Its still Wei. If they didn't call it Jin, and all three kingdoms went to the end, then every character added to Jin would be on Wei. And guess what? There would be an uproar about Wei getting so many characters (9+ Jia Xu). But since they are calling it Jin it is all good? Please spare me the Wei is getting the short end of the stick argument. If anyone is getting that, its Wu.
Read Saner post. Jin is a completely is a different kingdam for a reason. If it was Wei then there would be no reason to change the colour, banners, flag, etc. :rolleyes:

Wu's got Ding Feng and Sun Quan's wife. They have 2 new characters.

Wei as a playable faction has the least characters. Sima Yi left and Pang De has been cut.
Even the official site isn't calling it Jin in people's bios. Its constant reference to Wei. This is so irritating debating this with people like you. Even if they are considered a different force under a different family, they are still affiliated more closely than Shu or Wu. And like I said to Saner, please tell me the first time you see the word Jin in ROTK. Do you honestly believe Koei just forgot about Wei that much that they added only 1 character, cut one and moved another to Jin? No, they realize Wei is replaced by Jin and thus they don't need as many characters as Shu or Wu.
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Jin is not Wei exactly. It's called Jin for a reason! It's a new order! A new rule! A new banner! :XD

If someone takes over a kingdom under a new rule, they can change the name into whatever they want. It a country completely took over another country, they have every authority to change the name and flag of the country (and it's happened in history.)

Same for family household. If a family was replaced by another family, that house would be under a new name.

It's not the same, even if servants of the previous family join the new family.

Jin is Jin, not Wei. :)
Ok. Go read the novel, and tell me when you first see the name Jin. Please do that. There is a reason Wei has the least characters. Because if you add Wei and Jin, it isn't the least. I'm not arguing this point with people anymore. Its pointless.
Nobody is talking about the damn novel. In DW7, Wei and Jin are different. Wei covers the story of the Caos, Jin the Simas, they have a completely different cast of characters and will even be fighting Wei, how could Jin fight wei, if Wei = Jin? That would be fighting itself. It's all nice and dandy that in the novel at the time that Jin's DW7 story takes place, it is Wei, but that has very little to do with what Jin is in the game.
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Technically, Wei has more characters, yes. I'm sorry, but "Jin" is not really "Jin". I see it more like a Wei˛, for my part. If I do not count Sima Yi, Sima Shi, Sima Zhao and Wang Yuanji, the rest are considered as characters for Wei. It is as if Wei has 18 characters with Zhuge Dan, Deng Ai, Zhong Hui, Guo Huai and Xiahou Ba if we do not put in the Shu.


I agree with you Fantaji about this point, although even the three Simas are technically Wei specially Sima Yi because all of three died while the empire was still Wei. However, Koei and for some odd reason want us to think that Wei ended after the "Wu Zhang Plains" and that's injustice. So, they should pay more attention to my favorite Kingdom (Wei).
Yes. Jin = Late Wei. How can you say otherwise? We can not say they are not related, it would be lying. Read arguments like "Jin is Jin, not Wei" is stupid. In the novel, it never mentions that. This is a title after all, it does mean nothing. For me, "Jin" in this game = Wei˛. ^_^
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Koei obviously wants Lian Shi to be...well, to put it bluntly, the milf of the DW series ._. Her clothes don't bother me too much, assuming she has a more modest alternate costume. She's fine.

Lu Bu...looks better here, than he did in the earlier shot, as expected. It's way better than his DW6 imo...his DW5 look will be tough to beat though :/

Sun Quan looks great - imo, his design is one that's been getting worse and worse as the games go on. Apart from the face looking a little too similar to Lu Bu's (imo), it's a great look for him. He actually looks like more of a 'main character' now.

Also, Jin pretty much replaces Wei, so they're not the same, but I feel many people are gonna treat them as such, even after release - assuming that some late-wei minor characters will stick around for one or two Jin battles.
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Jin=rebel Wei

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Even the official site isn't calling it Jin in people's bios. Its constant reference to Wei. This is so irritating debating this with people like you. Even if they are considered a different force under a different family, they are still affiliated more closely than Shu or Wu. And like I said to Saner, please tell me the first time you see the word Jin in ROTK. Do you honestly believe Koei just forgot about Wei that much that they added only 1 character, cut one and moved another to Jin? No, they realize Wei is replaced by Jin and thus they don't need as many characters as Shu or Wu.
Whose talking about novel and ROTK. I'm talking about DW7.

Wei as a faction has the least characters. Nearly all the people who plays Dynasty Warriors game in the west doesn't know a thing about Novel/ROTK.
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as someone said above: boobs furen. ehhh shes okay. face is very mature, boobs to big, face too long, but ok seeing as im only really ever gonna see her ass
this is true playing her is guna be like.... Bayonetta like honestly? shes a good design but not what i thaught she would be.... but good pics of Lu Bu and Sun Quan too :P
Ha Ha she kinda does look like Bayonetta, but I like the cross bow, goes with her outfit.
yeah i think it goes too XD but shes more i dunno... ranger?? scout?? then hand maiden. and having a mature face doesnt make you mature... ESPECIALLY in that outfit unless shes the 40 trying to be 20 type.... lol :P
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Jin is not Wei exactly. It's called Jin for a reason! It's a new order! A new rule! A new banner! :XD

If someone takes over a kingdom under a new rule, they can change the name into whatever they want. It a country completely took over another country, they have every authority to change the name and flag of the country (and it's happened in history.)

Same for family household. If a family was replaced by another family, that house would be under a new name.

It's not the same, even if servants of the previous family join the new family.

Jin is Jin, not Wei. :)
Ok. Go read the novel, and tell me when you first see the name Jin. Please do that. There is a reason Wei has the least characters. Because if you add Wei and Jin, it isn't the least. I'm not arguing this point with people anymore. Its pointless.
Nobody is talking about the damn novel. In DW7, Wei and Jin are different. Wei covers the story of the Caos, Jin the Simas, they have a completely different cast of characters and will even be fighting Wei, how could Jin fight wei, if Wei = Jin? That would be fighting itself. It's all nice and dandy that in the novel at the time that Jin's DW7 story takes place, it is Wei, but that has very little to do with what Jin is in the game.
That is besides the point. I understand Koei is making them a separate force. But that doesn't mean Wei got screwed over with its roster. By the way, you have no idea what it means to "fight Wei". It could very well be one coup battle and that hardly equals what you're making it out to be.
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I have one question...I'm a little lost in that. Lets see if somebody knows...which of the Jin faction characters are like allies with Wei. Or Friendly.
And which, are ennemies of Wei. Shima Yi was an enemy of Wei? how the Simas get the power? by rebellion? because they were the last officers? the best? Can somebody explain it?

(I know that I'm talking about DW7 questions of the history but...If this is off-topic, I'm not sure, please, Just say it and I'll delete this coment)
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Besides, they weren;t called Jin untill Sima Yan took over.
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Technically, Wei has more characters, yes. I'm sorry, but "Jin" is not really "Jin". I see it more like a Wei˛, for my part. If I do not count Sima Yi, Sima Shi, Sima Zhao and Wang Yuanji, the rest are considered as characters for Wei. It is as if Wei has 18 characters with Zhuge Dan, Deng Ai, Zhong Hui, Guo Huai and Xiahou Ba if we do not put in the Shu.


I agree with you Fantaji about this point, although even the three Simas are technically Wei specially Sima Yi because all of three died while the empire was still Wei. However, Koei and for some odd reason want us to think that Wei ended after the "Wu Zhang Plains" and that's injustice. So, they should pay more attention to my favorite Kingdom (Wei).
Yes. Jin = Late Wei. How can you say otherwise? We can not say they are not related, it would be lying. Read arguments like "Jin is Jin, not Wei" is stupid. In the novel, it never mentions that. This is a title after all, it does mean nothing. For me, "Jin" in this game = Wei˛. ^_^
Well I'm not saying Jin is jin or is wei, but KOEI isn't taking exactly all the details from the novel :) For the most part, KOEI is using the novel + their own ideas (thus some random chars) so saying in the novel jin is not mentioned is not a valid point, for koei is not the most historically accurate company :D

About Designs, Pang Tong from the screenie looks kinda funny, need a scan to see it more clearly (mr big hat?)

Lu Bu looks more free liek he can execute some deadly moves without his big ass armor in the way, + the feathers look nice too.

Sun Quan looks all right, kind of the same as before.

Lian Shi I do not like, huge breats for fan service, overall design, but I do like the weapon.

Wei Yan can't even see him :)
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I don't know if you people have seen the Lu Bu riding an elephant shot and weidling his halberd yet, but if you haven't, I'm not posting it because you guys just don't deserve it after all the spam yesterday and all the bullheaded arguments that just don't hold water right now...

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Jin is not Wei exactly. It's called Jin for a reason! It's a new order! A new rule! A new banner! :XD

If someone takes over a kingdom under a new rule, they can change the name into whatever they want. It a country completely took over another country, they have every authority to change the name and flag of the country (and it's happened in history.)

Same for family household. If a family was replaced by another family, that house would be under a new name.

It's not the same, even if servants of the previous family join the new family.

Jin is Jin, not Wei. :)
Ok. Go read the novel, and tell me when you first see the name Jin. Please do that. There is a reason Wei has the least characters. Because if you add Wei and Jin, it isn't the least. I'm not arguing this point with people anymore. Its pointless.
Nobody is talking about the damn novel. In DW7, Wei and Jin are different. Wei covers the story of the Caos, Jin the Simas, they have a completely different cast of characters and will even be fighting Wei, how could Jin fight wei, if Wei = Jin? That would be fighting itself. It's all nice and dandy that in the novel at the time that Jin's DW7 story takes place, it is Wei, but that has very little to do with what Jin is in the game.
That is besides the point. I understand Koei is making them a separate force. But that doesn't mean Wei got screwed over with its roster. By the way, you have no idea what it means to "fight Wei" by the way. It could very well be one coup battle and that hardly equals what you're making it out to be.
It does kind of. In the end Wei only got one character while Shu got four, and Wu one two (whoops), they kind of got screwed over, they even lost two people, roster-wise, Wei is far inferior to what they used to be. Even so, if it is a coup battle, they're still destroying Wei and becoming Jin; A completely new kingdom. I wasn't making it out to be anything, just that it's clear that Koei is considering Wei and Jin to be different.

I really don't understand why people are calling Lian Shi a milf, she isn't even a mom.
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Even the official site isn't calling it Jin in people's bios. Its constant reference to Wei. This is so irritating debating this with people like you. Even if they are considered a different force under a different family, they are still affiliated more closely than Shu or Wu. And like I said to Saner, please tell me the first time you see the word Jin in ROTK. Do you honestly believe Koei just forgot about Wei that much that they added only 1 character, cut one and moved another to Jin? No, they realize Wei is replaced by Jin and thus they don't need as many characters as Shu or Wu.
Whose talking about novel and ROTK. I'm talking about DW7.

Wei as a faction has the least characters. Nearly all the people who plays Dynasty Warriors game in the west doesn't know a thing about Novel/ROTK.
Ok, so Jin isn't Wei. Even if I take that point completely, Wei still doesn't need as many characters as Shu or Wu. So yes they have the least. But its getting old when people talk about how they need more characters because they have the least. If they got more great, but they don't go into the era for decades longer like Wu and Shu do. So really, them having the least makes sense and should not be used as a point for arguing.
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Wow Lian Shi, boobs too big, and a bit revealing, other than that I have no problem with her look. Too much Team Ninja design.
Liking Sun Quan, an improvement from DW6 design.
As for Lu Bu, it's as I predicted less armor on him. Still looks badass though!
Now to wait for Diao Chan, I hope she doesn't get that Team Ninja design.
hahaha
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As far as I see it, Jin to me is a completely different faction to Wei simply because its ruled by a different family. Wei = Cao, Jin = Sima.

Jin is seperate, like how Lu Bu has his own seperate army, cause Lu Bu isn't Dong Zhuo2.

Anyways, its DW, it doesnt have to be Novel accurate, and so what if Wei has less characters, I mean... more use for characters in Wei, maybe we can use Xiahou Dun more often than say Zhao Yun cause Shu has more characters.
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