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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
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Even the official site isn't calling it Jin in people's bios. Its constant reference to Wei. This is so irritating debating this with people like you. Even if they are considered a different force under a different family, they are still affiliated more closely than Shu or Wu. And like I said to Saner, please tell me the first time you see the word Jin in ROTK. Do you honestly believe Koei just forgot about Wei that much that they added only 1 character, cut one and moved another to Jin? No, they realize Wei is replaced by Jin and thus they don't need as many characters as Shu or Wu.
Whose talking about novel and ROTK. I'm talking about DW7.

Wei as a faction has the least characters. Nearly all the people who plays Dynasty Warriors game in the west doesn't know a thing about Novel/ROTK.
Ok, so Jin isn't Wei. Even if I take that point completely, Wei still doesn't need as many characters as Shu or Wu. So yes they have the least. But its getting old when people talk about how they need more characters because they have the least. If they got more great, but they don't go into the era for decades longer like Wu and Shu do. So really, them having the least makes sense and should not be used as a point for arguing.
You're basing that off thinking Wei is going to lose in their own story mode. In which there is no proof of that yet. Almost all of the DW games are a perspective ending for each kingdom, Jin's inclusion should have no basis on whether or not playing as Wei means they lose in the end. In fact I would assume that playing as Wei would allow you to even stop Sima Yi from throwing his coup and ending Jin before it ever began. Despite agreeing with the thought that with the current Jin roster, Jin looks more like Late Wei, Koei has still went ahead and made them two different forces, with most likely two differing story paths.

So in the end gamewise, as a playable force, unless some of Jin's officers actually are playable in Wei's story, Wei did get the short end of the stick.
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are you serious you cant even see pang tong nor wei yan
Complaining about them's not going to make them pop up out of nowhere, so just be patient for a little while longer. =3
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I'm hoping they add 1 more new character in Wei. So far Wei has the least number of characters.
some characters of Jin will serve in late era of Wei I bet. Jin could be considered part of Wei, so technically Wei have the most characters.
As a faction, Wei has the least characters out of the 3 kingdam. It doesn't really matter if Jin officers serve Wei. Since that argument can also be used on someone like Jiang Wei who served Wei first and then joined Shu. Same with Xiahou Ba, who should have been in Shu in the first place.

If Pang De doesn't return, then Wei will have even fewer characters than Wu and Shu.
Shu extends from 184 to 265. Wei is cut off at 234 and Jin takes over for them. Jin is Wei. Regardless of what Koei is calling them, in the novel Jin is called Wei. Just because they won't be playable in Wei's kingdom mode doesn't mean they aren't closely affiliated with them and won't be present. If we go by your logic, then Liu Shan's Shu should be considered completely different from Liu Bei's Shu.
Wei cut off may be sooner than 234 for the simply fact that Zhang He dies at 231 and is the longest living playable general at that point which means someone in Wei/Jin is getting Wu Zhang as their starting living
on the site it says the Jin story starts after the battle of Wu Zhang Plains which is 234...[methinks]
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Jin is not Wei exactly. It's called Jin for a reason! It's a new order! A new rule! A new banner! :XD

If someone takes over a kingdom under a new rule, they can change the name into whatever they want. It a country completely took over another country, they have every authority to change the name and flag of the country (and it's happened in history.)

Same for family household. If a family was replaced by another family, that house would be under a new name.

It's not the same, even if servants of the previous family join the new family.

Jin is Jin, not Wei. :)
Ok. Go read the novel, and tell me when you first see the name Jin. Please do that. There is a reason Wei has the least characters. Because if you add Wei and Jin, it isn't the least.
in order for you to understand, you must understand and remember this fact:

Dynasty Warriors is not the novel, it's only partially based on the novel. Dynasty Warriors has always made it's own version of the lore and rules,

it's illogical trying to create logic out of this by basing it on what the novel contains, because that's like trying to explain Robin Hood (the fox) while basing your facts from the original Robin Hood novel.

Dynasty Warriors in a way is its own novel. Therefore the ROTK novel barely has any relation or hold over Dynasty Warriors facts.

It's not about how many Wei has total compared to the other kingdoms or anything like that. It's common sense that Jin is a new rule and different from Wei.


You could say Wei is Jin, but that's living in the past. The moment Jin is established and the Wei supporters are eliminated/chased off, Wei doesn't mean anything anymore. :)


It's like water turning into ice. After it becomes ice, would you dare call it water instead of ice? :XD

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As far as I see it, Jin to me is a completely different faction to Wei simply because its ruled by a different family. Wei = Cao, Jin = Sima.


Thank you, someone with good logic here. :)

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As a faction, Wei has the least characters out of the 3 kingdam. It doesn't really matter if Jin officers serve Wei. Since that argument can also be used on someone like Jiang Wei who served Wei first and then joined Shu. Same with Xiahou Ba, who should have been in Shu in the first place.

If Pang De doesn't return, then Wei will have even fewer characters than Wu and Shu.
Shu extends from 184 to 265. Wei is cut off at 234 and Jin takes over for them. Jin is Wei. Regardless of what Koei is calling them, in the novel Jin is called Wei. Just because they won't be playable in Wei's kingdom mode doesn't mean they aren't closely affiliated with them and won't be present. If we go by your logic, then Liu Shan's Shu should be considered completely different from Liu Bei's Shu.
Wei cut off may be sooner than 234 for the simply fact that Zhang He dies at 231 and is the longest living playable general at that point which means someone in Wei/Jin is getting Wu Zhang as their starting living
on the site it says the Jin story starts after the battle of Wu Zhang Plains which is 234...[methinks]
so wei must be cut off in 234...
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Well, I think it makes sense for Shu and Wu to get more characters for DW7, because it seems as though Koei is just going to end Wei at Wu Zhang Plains (Zhang He, the last Wei character dies in 231). Meanwhile, Shu and Wu are going to live on for another 30 - 40 years after Wu Zhang Plains and they will obviously need the extra characters.

Simple as that.

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Even the official site isn't calling it Jin in people's bios. Its constant reference to Wei. This is so irritating debating this with people like you. Even if they are considered a different force under a different family, they are still affiliated more closely than Shu or Wu. And like I said to Saner, please tell me the first time you see the word Jin in ROTK. Do you honestly believe Koei just forgot about Wei that much that they added only 1 character, cut one and moved another to Jin? No, they realize Wei is replaced by Jin and thus they don't need as many characters as Shu or Wu.
Whose talking about novel and ROTK. I'm talking about DW7.

Wei as a faction has the least characters. Nearly all the people who plays Dynasty Warriors game in the west doesn't know a thing about Novel/ROTK.
Ok, so Jin isn't Wei. Even if I take that point completely, Wei still doesn't need as many characters as Shu or Wu. So yes they have the least. But its getting old when people talk about how they need more characters because they have the least. If they got more great, but they don't go into the era for decades longer like Wu and Shu do. So really, them having the least makes sense and should not be used as a point for arguing.
You're basing that off thinking Wei is going to lose in their own story mode. In which there is no proof of that yet. Almost all of the DW games are a perspective ending for each kingdom, Jin's inclusion should have no basis on whether or not playing as Wei means they lose in the end. In fact I would assume that playing as Wei would allow you to even stop Sima Yi from throwing his coup and ending Jin before it ever began. Despite agreeing with the thought that with the current Jin roster, Jin looks more like Late Wei, Koei has still went ahead and made them two different forces, with most likely two differing story paths.

So in the end gamewise, as a playable force, unless some of Jin's officers actually are playable in Wei's story, Wei did get the short end of the stick.
And you're basing it off thinking Wei will go until the end. How do you know their kingdom mode won't just end after WZP like in past games? You bring up good points, more so than anyone else has. But there is probably a reason Koei has made them have so many fewer characters than Shu and Wu.
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Even the official site isn't calling it Jin in people's bios. Its constant reference to Wei. This is so irritating debating this with people like you. Even if they are considered a different force under a different family, they are still affiliated more closely than Shu or Wu. And like I said to Saner, please tell me the first time you see the word Jin in ROTK. Do you honestly believe Koei just forgot about Wei that much that they added only 1 character, cut one and moved another to Jin? No, they realize Wei is replaced by Jin and thus they don't need as many characters as Shu or Wu.
Whose talking about novel and ROTK. I'm talking about DW7. Wei as a faction has the least characters. Nearly all the people who plays Dynasty Warriors game in the west doesn't know a thing about Novel/ROTK.
Ok, so Jin isn't Wei. Even if I take that point completely, Wei still doesn't need as many characters as Shu or Wu. So yes they have the least. But its getting old when people talk about how they need more characters because they have the least. If they got more great, but they don't go into the era for decades longer like Wu and Shu do. So really, them having the least makes sense and should not be used as a point for arguing.
You're basing that off thinking Wei is going to lose in their own story mode. In which there is no proof of that yet. Almost all of the DW games are a perspective ending for each kingdom, Jin's inclusion should have no basis on whether or not playing as Wei means they lose in the end. In fact I would assume that playing as Wei would allow you to even stop Sima Yi from throwing his coup and ending Jin before it ever began. Despite agreeing with the thought that with the current Jin roster, Jin looks more like Late Wei, Koei has still went ahead and made them two different forces, with most likely two differing story paths. So in the end gamewise, as a playable force, unless some of Jin's officers actually are playable in Wei's story, Wei did get the short end of the stick.
And you're basing it off thinking Wei will go until the end. How do you know their kingdom mode won't just end after WZP like in past games? You bring up good points, more so than anyone else has. But there is probably a reason Koei has made them have so many fewer characters than Shu and Wu.
because it'll be the first one to fall. then sima yi rises up outta the ashes (like a phoneix) ands starts a new kingdom jin. its like cao cao was never emperor of wei, but he's in wei in DW
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Too bad Wu only got one new person that lives a while and even than he was long dead when Jin conquered Wu. So yeah.. Everyone but Shu was screwed over with this roster yet again. Yay Shu bias?
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I think Wu, Shu and Wei stories from their perspective/campaign will end around WZP.

Then Jin will continue the rest of the story timeline Exclusively from their perspective, defeating those of Wei who oppose them, then Shu, then Wu.
Edited by saner, Wed Feb 2, 2011 7:27 pm.
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Wu are dominated by the Suns of course, and to some extent, the Lus...if Lu Su and Lu Kang are added...there will be a lot of Lu, even Lu Bu is included...but they are not all related...
Lu Su, Lu Meng, and Lu Xun all have different surnames in Chinese.

Lu Su = 盧
Lu Meng/Lu Bu (no relation) = 呂 (this is sometimes translated as Lü instead of Lu, since it is actually a different syllable)
Lu Xun = 陸

About Wei/Jin: there is a possibility that Wei's story mode will go past 234 and have a fictionalized ending wherein Wei conquers Shu and Wu and puts down a coup by the Sima clan. Xiahou Ba and Zhuge Dan will likely stay in Wei in that story, and possibly even Guo Huai (though KOEI may put him in the Sima forces anyway).
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Ok, so Jin isn't Wei. Even if I take that point completely, Wei still doesn't need as many characters as Shu or Wu. So yes they have the least. But its getting old when people talk about how they need more characters because they have the least. If they got more great, but they don't go into the era for decades longer like Wu and Shu do. So really, them having the least makes sense and should not be used as a point for arguing.
You're basing that off thinking Wei is going to lose in their own story mode. In which there is no proof of that yet. Almost all of the DW games are a perspective ending for each kingdom, Jin's inclusion should have no basis on whether or not playing as Wei means they lose in the end. In fact I would assume that playing as Wei would allow you to even stop Sima Yi from throwing his coup and ending Jin before it ever began. Despite agreeing with the thought that with the current Jin roster, Jin looks more like Late Wei, Koei has still went ahead and made them two different forces, with most likely two differing story paths. So in the end gamewise, as a playable force, unless some of Jin's officers actually are playable in Wei's story, Wei did get the short end of the stick.
And you're basing it off thinking Wei will go until the end. How do you know their kingdom mode won't just end after WZP like in past games? You bring up good points, more so than anyone else has. But there is probably a reason Koei has made them have so many fewer characters than Shu and Wu.
because it'll be the first one to fall. then sima yi rises up outta the ashes (like a phoneix) ands starts a new kingdom jin. its like cao cao was never emperor of wei, but he's in wei in DW
Very good. Exactly my point. I wouldn't be surprised if Jin's kingdom mode is unlocked after beating Wei's and it picks up where Wei's leaves off.
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Very technically, going by history, 'Jin' is still 'Wei'.. Going by history. But this is the game, and here they clearly want to set these people in what is technically still Wei as part of a new kingdom. They want to make them out to be 'different', 'new' and 'exciting' enough and invariably a whole new kingdom is pretty exciting too, no? So they're shoved in Jin as 'an entirely new kingdom' sounds better than just 'tons of characters added to an existing kingdom'. On the face of it, that seems like the better (marketing) ploy.

The factions have definitions of their own in the games, regardless of history - and it has to be that fixed down on things such as selection screens because it seems that one character can't be part of more than one faction at the same time.

So anyway. Yes, Wei in this game does have the least amount of playable characters so far (because there are fewer characters listed under the category of Wei). Yes, Wei actually does have the most playable characters if you look at history and see that most 'Jin' characters never lived to that era and did live under Wei.

But no, there is no need to argue about it, because to be even more technical here, both views are right. xD;;

And Yawnier, your point makes perfect sense to me as well. ^_^
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Too bad Wu only got one new person that lives a while and even than he was long dead when Jin conquered Wu. So yeah.. Everyone but Shu was screwed over with this roster yet again. Yay Shu bias?
So Shu has more characters, because they are the last Kingdom to go against Jin?
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As far as I see it, Jin to me is a completely different faction to Wei simply because its ruled by a different family. Wei = Cao, Jin = Sima.

Jin is seperate, like how Lu Bu has his own seperate army, cause Lu Bu isn't Dong Zhuo2.
That's completely different Lu Bu actually "slayed Dong Zhou" with his own hands. He has a separate army with "DIFFERENT" generals that HE himself is commanding. Why would it be called Dong Zhou2 neither are even Factions.

Wei isn't called Cao Cao, and Jin isn't called Sima So the Dong Zhou2 is irrelevant.

And Sima Yi is DEFINITELY not cut from Wei's roster so how are they loosing a member. I'm pretty sure Sima Yi will be present in Wei battles such as He Fei, and Wu Zhang Plains. Same as many other Jin characters (Deng Ai, Xiahou Ba).
-Plus Wei and Wu both have the Same number of new characters.
Wei has 2 (Jia Xu, & Cai Wen Ji), and Wu has 2 (Ding Feng, & Lian Shi)

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I think Wu, Shu and Wei stories from their perspective/campaign will end around WZP.
What?

Liu Shan and Ding Feng was added to what? To look pretty?

No. It is certain that Wu and Shu go further than WZP, this very perfect sense.
It was confirmed that there would be 15/25 stages. Wu, Shu and Wei are most likely to have 25 stages, Jin will certainly be 15.
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Even the official site isn't calling it Jin in people's bios. Its constant reference to Wei. This is so irritating debating this with people like you. Even if they are considered a different force under a different family, they are still affiliated more closely than Shu or Wu. And like I said to Saner, please tell me the first time you see the word Jin in ROTK. Do you honestly believe Koei just forgot about Wei that much that they added only 1 character, cut one and moved another to Jin? No, they realize Wei is replaced by Jin and thus they don't need as many characters as Shu or Wu.
Whose talking about novel and ROTK. I'm talking about DW7.

Wei as a faction has the least characters. Nearly all the people who plays Dynasty Warriors game in the west doesn't know a thing about Novel/ROTK.
Ok, so Jin isn't Wei. Even if I take that point completely, Wei still doesn't need as many characters as Shu or Wu. So yes they have the least. But its getting old when people talk about how they need more characters because they have the least. If they got more great, but they don't go into the era for decades longer like Wu and Shu do. So really, them having the least makes sense and should not be used as a point for arguing.
You're basing that off thinking Wei is going to lose in their own story mode. In which there is no proof of that yet. Almost all of the DW games are a perspective ending for each kingdom, Jin's inclusion should have no basis on whether or not playing as Wei means they lose in the end. In fact I would assume that playing as Wei would allow you to even stop Sima Yi from throwing his coup and ending Jin before it ever began. Despite agreeing with the thought that with the current Jin roster, Jin looks more like Late Wei, Koei has still went ahead and made them two different forces, with most likely two differing story paths.

So in the end gamewise, as a playable force, unless some of Jin's officers actually are playable in Wei's story, Wei did get the short end of the stick.
And you're basing it off thinking Wei will go until the end. How do you know their kingdom mode won't just end after WZP like in past games? You bring up good points, more so than anyone else has. But there is probably a reason Koei has made them have so many fewer characters than Shu and Wu.
I can see Wei going beyond WZP to a short point of maybe fighting one last battle against Sima Yi and his Jin coup attempt but not much farther then that. My argument was less about how far Wei goes and more about that in their own story mode Wei is getting the least amount of characters to play as, unless some of the Jin officers show up as playables which is possible and if so makes this a moot point. Should none of the Jin characters be playable for Wei, then it just means Wei should have gotten another earlier character to go along with Jia Xu, just to balance things out.
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You're basing that off thinking Wei is going to lose in their own story mode. In which there is no proof of that yet. Almost all of the DW games are a perspective ending for each kingdom, Jin's inclusion should have no basis on whether or not playing as Wei means they lose in the end. In fact I would assume that playing as Wei would allow you to even stop Sima Yi from throwing his coup and ending Jin before it ever began. Despite agreeing with the thought that with the current Jin roster, Jin looks more like Late Wei, Koei has still went ahead and made them two different forces, with most likely two differing story paths. So in the end gamewise, as a playable force, unless some of Jin's officers actually are playable in Wei's story, Wei did get the short end of the stick.
And you're basing it off thinking Wei will go until the end. How do you know their kingdom mode won't just end after WZP like in past games? You bring up good points, more so than anyone else has. But there is probably a reason Koei has made them have so many fewer characters than Shu and Wu.
because it'll be the first one to fall. then sima yi rises up outta the ashes (like a phoneix) ands starts a new kingdom jin. its like cao cao was never emperor of wei, but he's in wei in DW
Very good. Exactly my point. I wouldn't be surprised if Jin's kingdom mode is unlocked after beating Wei's and it picks up where Wei's leaves off.
well obviously its not gonna be there orginally cus jin wasnt there originally
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About Wei/Jin: there is a possibility that Wei's story mode will go past 234 and have a fictionalized ending wherein Wei conquers Shu and Wu and puts down a coup by the Sima clan. Xiahou Ba and Zhuge Dan will likely stay in Wei in that story, and possibly even Guo Huai (though KOEI may put him in the Sima forces anyway).


That sounds like something that would only appear in Chronicle mode, not the official Story Mode. :lol:
Edited by saner, Wed Feb 2, 2011 7:32 pm.
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No, Wei conquerted Shu and Jin was formed by Sima Yan while Wu was the last of the original 3. Shu fell long before Shu yet Shu got the favortism treatment yet again.
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As far as I see it, Jin to me is a completely different faction to Wei simply because its ruled by a different family. Wei = Cao, Jin = Sima. Jin is seperate, like how Lu Bu has his own seperate army, cause Lu Bu isn't Dong Zhuo2.
That's completely different Lu Bu actually "slayed Dong Zhou" with his own hands. He has a separate army with "DIFFERENT" generals that HE himself is commanding. Why would it be called Dong Zhou2 neither are even Factions. Wei isn't called Cao Cao, and Jin isn't called Sima So the Dong Zhou2 is irrelevant. And Sima Yi is DEFINITELY not cut from Wei's roster so how are they loosing a member. I'm pretty sure Sima Yi will be present in Wei battles such as He Fei, and Wu Zhang Plains. Same as many other Jin characters (Deng Ai, Xiahou Ba). -Plus Wei and Wu both have the Same number of new characters. Wei has 2 (Jia Xu, & Cai Wen Ji), and Wu has 2 (Ding Feng, & Lian Shi)
hasnt it been confirmed that sima yis at wu zhang plains? and is the PC in weis battle?
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Don't know if anyone has shown you guys this yet but the english trailer is on the Koei Corp. FB page : http://www.facebook.com/#!/video/video.php?v=195332520478999&oid=101727165027&comments

I personally think the voices arn't too bad! Well.... Except for Zhong Hui... His seems to be VERY ANNOYING! LOL
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I think Wu, Shu and Wei stories from their perspective/campaign will end around WZP.

Then Jin will continue the rest of the story timeline Exclusively from their perspective, defeating those of Wei who oppose them, then Shu, then Wu.
:facepalm:

So they added Liu Shan, returned Jiang Wei and Xing Cai just so you could kill them as Jin?????

Did you mean to say something else????

Edit: I thought the English trailer was going to be uploaded tomorrow? Oh well, I ain't complaining!!!


Edited by Yawnier, Wed Feb 2, 2011 7:34 pm.
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Wed Feb 2, 2011 7:32 pm
Don't know if anyone has shown you guys this yet but the english trailer is on the Koei Corp. FB page : http://www.facebook.com/#!/video/video.php?v=195332520478999&oid=101727165027&comments

I personally think the voices arn't too bad!
Aw it's in HD. unplayable. Someone should put it on youtube.
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Wed Feb 2, 2011 7:32 pm
Don't know if anyone has shown you guys this yet but the english trailer is on the Koei Corp. FB page : http://www.facebook.com/#!/video/video.php?v=195332520478999&oid=101727165027&comments

I personally think the voices arn't too bad!
Don't let this be ignored by moronic arguments!
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