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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
Topic Started: Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:32 am (1,039,721 Views)
Zhang_Chunhua
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Sima Yi apologize or I will starve to death our sons and myself for this!!
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Ok so I was away for 2 days, can someone tell me what did I missed(if i missed something)? Please ;)
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I may be a little late in asking this or maybe off topic but who else was disappointed in the fact that you couldn't see all of Wei Yan in the mag scan?
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Sat Feb 5, 2011 8:20 am
I may be a little late in asking this or maybe off topic but who else was disappointed in the fact that you couldn't see all of Wei Yan in the mag scan?
Yes! Only revealing half a character kinda sucks, but we should see all of him soon (Hopefully)

But I'm still waiting on Sun Jian and Huang Gai to be revealed, I figured they would be last, (knowing my luck). But they should be revealed together, like Liu Bei and Zhuge liang
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Sat Feb 5, 2011 8:28 am
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Sat Feb 5, 2011 8:20 am
I may be a little late in asking this or maybe off topic but who else was disappointed in the fact that you couldn't see all of Wei Yan in the mag scan?
Yes! Only revealing half a character kinda sucks, but we should see all of him soon (Hopefully)

But I'm still waiting on Sun Jian and Huang Gai to be revealed, I figured they would be last, (knowing my luck). But they should be revealed together, like Liu Bei and Zhuge liang
totally. it seems that a lot of reveals seem really random. I know they usually were but they still had a feel? to them that made it work.

but this time it's really weird. especially with the Diao Chan and Lu Bu thing. and I'm still waiting on Gan Ning myself.
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Sat Feb 5, 2011 7:54 am
I really think they should expand upon expertise a bit more, more specifically in cutscenes.

Some generals took control of cavalry others of infantrymen, I think this should play more in terms of unit placement, having cavalry come up against infantry would be an advantage but against pikemen, not so much. I may be a bit vague but was this a function in empires?! Choosing specific types of units to take into battle.

Cao Ren for example was supposedly excellent on horseback so he would serve better under that chain of command, bring a little more realism into the game. I hate seeing peon after peon, oh here is Zhang liao all by his lonely self waiting for me to find him on the map!

Thoughts?!
Enemy variety would be greatly appreciated. Though we've had some variation before such as the grenadiers and our typical archers, it didn't change much as fighting them usually amounted to the same end.

Special units like the juggernauts are of an entirely different nature since they're not normal enemies you encounter outside of certain maps.

Unit types with specific roles would be great for a strategic element if you have some degree of control over them. Should add some variety to actual combat as well like in Basara where some things you had to fight need to approached in a different manner. I can see something like unit types having damage multipliers applied to the appropriate opposition.

I would think this would be good for presentation value as well like how in DW6, you would see things like soldiers putting together siege weapons and repairing damaged gates or archers firing volleys over adjacent regions. More unit types would be great for this sort of thing.
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English VAs failed me yet again Koei, can't you do one thing right at least for once?
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a funny "what if" scenario would be the yellow turbans destroying the han dynasty XD that wud be weird and funny..imagine zhang jiao and his brothers taking over china with magic lmao
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Sat Feb 5, 2011 3:47 am
You know what, 15 characters is really a good thing...Too much new characters, might spoil the fun of it either...well if you had 25 new characters, how in the world will you enjoy playing all of them?? Having new characters would always be good, but remember that we need to enjoy every single one of them...I still remember that I never get to play all the characters in DW5 because they are just way too many...We should appreciate the fact that Koei gave us 15 new to choose from...Good or bad add, still they give us flavor in our DW7 gaming experience...there is room for Koei to have around 10 new people for DW8...
So true, really. 16 new characters (if you count Cai Wenji) is simply huge. We never got so many characters at once. It nevertheless reached the 62 characters, which is a very good number for the playable characters.

Haha, say that there are some who want more:
"I WANT TO 20 NEW PLAYABLE CHARACTERS, KOEI!" :meantongue:
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I never had a problem with playing so many characters. gave me something different to do when I started to get bored. granted the levels were the same but I liked trying out new people to see their move sets.
I've played pretty much all the chars in WO2 (psp version) that's a **** ton to me for one game
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Sat Feb 5, 2011 8:52 am
English VAs failed me yet again Koei, can't you do one thing right at least for once?
Gasp! someone said something negative. Quickly, gang up and attack them at once! You dare insult the Dynasty perfection?! kidding/sarcasm BTW
Edited by Sheng Dao, Sat Feb 5, 2011 9:25 am.
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Sheng Dao
Sat Feb 5, 2011 9:15 am
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Sat Feb 5, 2011 8:52 am
English VAs failed me yet again Koei, can't you do one thing right at least for once?
Gasp! someone said something negative. Quickly, gang up and attack them at once! You dare insult the Dynasty perfection?!
But voice acting doesn't count. You can trashtalk the English voice acting, but lord help you if you trashtalk anything else on the matter.

It's totally different.

The only voice thus far to push me is Zhong Hui, but I'll look at it on a positive note and believe that Koei did it for the sole purpose of MAKING everyone dislike him. As if being an arrogant little turncoat prick wasn't enough of a reason to hate him, now he has a voice that further compels people to drill spear his rotten little face.

Because who wouldn't WANT to do that to a guy that has that voice? Mission accomplished Koei!
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I just wish it would have a voice over option like DW3. sometimes the original voices fit the character better. (though usually the girls suck)
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ok I am going to say this once:

The more character there is, the less detail and less originality they have!!

Imagine having 100 characters and trying to play with all of them. first, they would look crappy and a lot of clone characters. 2nd, because they are so many you would end up playing with one character per stage. 3rd, is going to be hell like leveling up all of them. 4th, think about 100 VA (i don't complain with Zhong hui anymore, getting 62 VA or less thar sound diferent is still hard to accomplish), they would probably suck.

another subject, finally I realized something about why they put Lian Shi in DW7:
if there are 4 female wu characters and the Qia sisters basically disapper with their husbands deaths, that means that Sun shang Xiang is going to disapper after Yi Ling, meaning that they neaded a new female for the rest of the wu chapter. I think that is why they added Lian Shi.

If what I say ends up being true, I expect either Cai Wenji or Zhen Ji to die ( think maybe Cai Wenji with Cao Cao, but still they can actually make it like in history and make Zhen Ji die after Cao Pi became emperor of Wei) and after some spoill I red I expect Bao Sanning been the last female character for Shu

EDIT NOTE: I EXPECT THIS TO HAPPEN BUT I AM NOT SAYING THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN
Edited by Zhang_Chunhua, Sat Feb 5, 2011 9:50 am.
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Sat Feb 5, 2011 7:42 am
Wow. I admit I never played DW6 in English, but that has to be one of the most wooden, worst performances by Beau Billingslea I've heard.
Agreed, the voice acting in DW6 was definitely under par and sounded very phoned in. I think even the voice actors knew it was a terrible game.
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DW6 is like the adopted step-child (yes that's what I meant) of the series. doesn't quite fit in like the others.
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Sat Feb 5, 2011 9:52 am
DW6 is like the adopted step-child (yes that's what I meant) of the series. doesn't quite fit in like the others.
Here's to hoping 7 isn't the step-child's sibling! Though I'm sure it won't be from what I've seen so far.
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Sat Feb 5, 2011 9:54 am
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DW6 is like the adopted step-child (yes that's what I meant) of the series. doesn't quite fit in like the others.
Here's to hoping 7 isn't the step-child's sibling! Though I'm sure it won't be from what I've seen so far.
thank god for that. meh, just consider it to be a parallel universe episode. good for laughs tho.
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Zhang_Chunhua
Sat Feb 5, 2011 9:44 am
ok I am going to say this once:

The more character there is, the less detail and less originality they have!!

Imagine having 100 characters and trying to play with all of them. first, they would look crappy and a lot of clone characters. 2nd, because they are so many you would end up playing with one character per stage. 3rd, is going to be hell like leveling up all of them. 4th, think about 100 VA (i don't complain with Zhong hui anymore, getting 62 VA or less thar sound diferent is still hard to accomplish), they would probably suck.

another subject, finally I realized something about why they put Lian Shi in DW7:
if there are 4 female wu characters and the Qia sisters basically disapper with their husbands deaths, that means that Sun shang Xiang is going to disapper after Yi Ling, meaning that they neaded a new female for the rest of the wu chapter. I think that is why they added Lian Shi.

If what I say ends up being true, I expect either Cai Wenji or Zhen Ji to die ( think maybe Cai Wenji with Cao Cao, but still they can actually make it like in history and make Zhen Ji die after Cao Pi became emperor of Wei) and after some spoill I red I expect Bao Sanning been the last female character for Shu

EDIT NOTE: I EXPECT THIS TO HAPPEN BUT I AM NOT SAYING THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN
That's true. If they ever go back to individual stories, they WILL end up being crappy. With over 60 characters you can't create anymore epic stories for everyone. The last time I really enjoyed playing a good story in Warriors game was Magoichi's story in SW2 (I don't have SW3).

So in a nutshell quality owns quantity.
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Zhang_Chunhua
Sat Feb 5, 2011 9:44 am
ok I am going to say this once:
Something tells me you'll wind up saying it again... :unsure:

At any rate, I do think you are mostly right. There has to be a point Koei will stop adding characters...or just resort to the tactic of cutting characters, just to add them back next game. That way, they will never get too overwhelmed and we will still be getting something new, however...not new it actually is (ie Da Qiao, Jiang Wei, Cai Wenji)

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Sat Feb 5, 2011 10:00 am
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Sat Feb 5, 2011 9:44 am
ok I am going to say this once:

The more character there is, the less detail and less originality they have!!

Imagine having 100 characters and trying to play with all of them. first, they would look crappy and a lot of clone characters. 2nd, because they are so many you would end up playing with one character per stage. 3rd, is going to be hell like leveling up all of them. 4th, think about 100 VA (i don't complain with Zhong hui anymore, getting 62 VA or less thar sound diferent is still hard to accomplish), they would probably suck.

another subject, finally I realized something about why they put Lian Shi in DW7:
if there are 4 female wu characters and the Qia sisters basically disapper with their husbands deaths, that means that Sun shang Xiang is going to disapper after Yi Ling, meaning that they neaded a new female for the rest of the wu chapter. I think that is why they added Lian Shi.

If what I say ends up being true, I expect either Cai Wenji or Zhen Ji to die ( think maybe Cai Wenji with Cao Cao, but still they can actually make it like in history and make Zhen Ji die after Cao Pi became emperor of Wei) and after some spoill I red I expect Bao Sanning been the last female character for Shu

EDIT NOTE: I EXPECT THIS TO HAPPEN BUT I AM NOT SAYING THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN
That's true. If they ever go back to individual stories, they WILL end up being crappy. With over 60 characters you can't create anymore epic stories for everyone. The last time I really enjoyed playing a good story in Warriors game was Magoichi's story in SW2 (I don't have SW3).

So in a nutshell quality owns quantity.
jeez that would be a nightmare. and not really a wise move in any sense. I think 62 is good enough. if they want a game with more then it should just be another crossover. I do like the interactions the chars had with the SW fighters.
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Sat Feb 5, 2011 9:44 am
ok I am going to say this once:

The more character there is, the less detail and less originality they have!!

Imagine having 100 characters and trying to play with all of them. first, they would look crappy and a lot of clone characters. 2nd, because they are so many you would end up playing with one character per stage. 3rd, is going to be hell like leveling up all of them. 4th, think about 100 VA (i don't complain with Zhong hui anymore, getting 62 VA or less thar sound diferent is still hard to accomplish), they would probably suck.

another subject, finally I realized something about why they put Lian Shi in DW7:
if there are 4 female wu characters and the Qia sisters basically disapper with their husbands deaths, that means that Sun shang Xiang is going to disapper after Yi Ling, meaning that they neaded a new female for the rest of the wu chapter. I think that is why they added Lian Shi.

If what I say ends up being true, I expect either Cai Wenji or Zhen Ji to die ( think maybe Cai Wenji with Cao Cao, but still they can actually make it like in history and make Zhen Ji die after Cao Pi became emperor of Wei) and after some spoill I red I expect Bao Sanning been the last female character for Shu

EDIT NOTE: I EXPECT THIS TO HAPPEN BUT I AM NOT SAYING THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN
I think Xing Cai would be the last female in Shu..... just saying since she is Liu Chan's wife and he's the one that surrenders Shu to Jin, she'd be there to witness everything..... She may even join Jiang Wei and Zhong Hui and Xiahou Ba with the rebellion against Jin and die a tragic yet glorious (tearjerking) death. I think it would be a pretty good ending for Shu, even though they didn't win.

Btw in the latest PV we saw Da Qiao fight alongside Ding Feng so that might mean she would be a later-era character.......

I just thought of another what if scenario..... Imagine after Cao Cao's death, and maybe even Cao Pi's death, the Sima's would start to put their plan to do a coup into action. Cai Wenji finds out about this, and out of debt to Cao Cao (because he saved her from some peeps) she'd duel Sima Yi to the death.... with her eventual loss as well..... I kinda got the inspiration of this idea from Konan and Madara's battle in the naruto manga (I was so sad when she died.... :( ).

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I wouldn't mind if they just improved what they have and added no new characters at all.

It would be nice to have a new DW game where we had MORE attacks to choose from than the S6 C6 + 1 new special attack per game. Like the multiple special attacks that Basara uses, where you can use them any time and switch between several on the fly. At least make it so we don't have to see the same animations over and over just to get to a better attack, which I think is the main thing people think of when they complain about the repetitiveness.

The weapon switching is a step in the right direction, but Omega Force really need to throw some more into it. Renbu was the exact opposite of what they should be doing.
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Sat Feb 5, 2011 10:30 am
I wouldn't mind if they just improved what they have and added no new characters at all.

It would be nice to have a new DW game where we had MORE attacks to choose from than the S6 C6 + 1 new special attack per game. Like the multiple special attacks that Basara uses, where you can use them any time and switch between several on the fly. At least make it so we don't have to see the same animations over and over just to get to a better attack, which I think is the main thing people think of when they complain about the repetitiveness.

The weapon switching is a step in the right direction, but Omega Force really need to throw some more into it. Renbu was the exact opposite of what they should be doing.
and how would jin work exactly? :P

I'm glad there's lots of new characters this time, with kingdom Mode, characters can have depth without needing a whole Story mode to themselves, and the new Jin force makes the game much more fresh and exciting for me ^^
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I am thinking of the what if stages I thought about some:

what if The Cao's never lose to the Sima's(that means no Jin)? I actually expect the final stage of Wei to be against Sima Yi (like in Yi's Muso mode from DW7)

also, what if Cao Cao beats Sun Quan and Liu Bei at Chi Bi or catches Liu Bei at Chan Ban?

what if Lu Bu beats Liu Bei and Cao Cao at Xia Pi?(like in DW4)

but about this Chronicle mode I am 85% sure is going to be like the DW:SF, which is ok but if that happens all of this ideas would not work =/. I did notice that Koei like the idea about cities in DWSF ( they received good reviews about the city system in DWSF) so i actually expected that they were going to add it to the regular DW series.

but if the chronicle mode is like the city in DW:SF that means that the chronicle mode is going to be all the characters that you unlock be able to play in chronicle mode(or just the ones in your fractions),not just choosing one character, you can choose which ever u want for the missions, exept for the special stages which would be only for the choosen character.

I actually don't mind that they would do it like strike force. I actually think it does make sense they do it like that because of there are so many characters, also probably 1 or 2 special stage per character.

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What if stages would be nice, but we somewhat always had that. When you defeat Wu/Shu at Chi Bi with Wei, the narrator will just tell you "But alas Wei's supplies were inefficient, and so had to retreat back to their homeland." Or anything along these lines.

Then you just continue with the story line, as Wu and Shu were left unscathed, as if they still won Chi Bi.
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