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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
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Reverie
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SazukeEX
Sun Feb 6, 2011 3:45 pm
Well, it's a pity but this is Koei. To them it's okay to have another Shu Emperor but somehow Sun Quan must be te neglected child withut personality and the last and only Wu Emperor. Nevermind how they'll handle the Sima Family situation and which one will end up ruling the land since they're missing important characters... Mos importantly Sima Yan who was the guy that actualy conquered the land.
Well that is a negative way, and it does suck, but that means the next Dynasty Warriors game will be something to look forward to homie. :cool:
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Sorry if it's negative. Still bitter over Wen Yang but I'll vent that in the complaints thread whenever the urge rises.
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Sun Feb 6, 2011 3:49 pm
Sorry if it's negative. Still bitter over Wen Yang but I'll vent that in the complaints thread whenever the urge rises.
Yea I wanted him badly as well, mainly because of you ha ha. Just now I believe that in DW 8, they will focus on the actual Jin and Wu's late era. A matter of fact this could mean another 15 new characters ha ha, though I don't really think they'll need that much and they will improve on stuff.


Also I really do hope some one interviews them and ask them questions like "Why did you leave Pang De out?" "Why did you have so many clones in DW 6?" Would be an interesting interview quite funny in my opinion.
Edited by Reverie, Sun Feb 6, 2011 4:07 pm.
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Sun Feb 6, 2011 3:45 pm
Well, it's a pity but this is Koei. To them it's okay to have another Shu Emperor but somehow Sun Quan must be te neglected child withut personality and the last and only Wu Emperor. Nevermind how they'll handle the Sima Family situation and which one will end up ruling the land since they're missing important characters... Mos importantly Sima Yan who was the guy that actualy conquered the land.

As for that comment about blasting history and calling them nerds. Stop. Why the heck do you play this game than? Maybe we should cut Lu Bu and replace him with an Enunch? Since you don't care about history than I'm sure you wont care if there was no Lu Bu in this game since you don't care what extrodinary things they people do. So, replace Lu Bu with a no name that did nothing since you just don't care. I'm sure you'll change your tune fast enough when you see Lu Bu as a random generic and you're stuck with a high pitched old man with anime hair.
Hahaha. I do not care about Lu Bu. His persona could be easily replaced by this . . . . enunch, that you speak of. Plus, there's something called *COMPLAINT THREAD*, so who cares?

I play these games because one; hack and slash games are addicting; two, i like the character designs. I Do Not care about the history. ^_^
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kaiosuke37
Sun Feb 6, 2011 4:01 pm
I play these games because one; hack and slash games are addicting; two, i like the character designs. I Do Not care about the history. ^_^
That's fine, but some of us nerds take a keen interest in the legends - and, yes, the history - behind the game's fantasy setting. We expect the games to take their own liberties for the sake of variety, audience appeal, and not telling the same ROTK-based or historical stories over and over again. Yet we see the game's ancient Chinese basis as a huge aspect of its appeal, and we would like to see that built on instead of watered down and ignored. Dynasty Warriors was my gateway drug into Three Kingdoms history research.

Since you don't care about the setting, why not just skim over that discussion and leave it to those of us who do happen to care?
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Sun Feb 6, 2011 3:55 pm
Also I really do hope some one interviews them and ask them questions like "Why did you leave Pang De out?" "Why did you have so many clones in DW 6?" Would be an interesting interview quite funny in my opinion.
As far as I know, they left certain characters out due to lack of time. Pang De, Xing Cai and Da Qiao were probably left out for that sole reason. Meng Huo and Zhu Rong were cut out since they chose to remove the entire Nanman campaign (again, likely due to lack of time). Jiang Wei was removed because his only battle would have been Wu Zhang Plains, and every other character in DW6 appeared in at least two stages (yes even Zhang Jiao and Dong Zhuo, see Lu Bu's story). I they would have left Zuo Ci out regardless of how much time they had, since he was pretty much a bonus character in DW5.

Clones were simply in the game because they didn't have enough time to give everyone a unique moveset.

EDIT: Unless you meant why they left Pang De out in DW7 then I don't know the answer :o
Edited by Fūma, Sun Feb 6, 2011 4:24 pm.
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Sun Feb 6, 2011 4:23 pm
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Sun Feb 6, 2011 3:55 pm
Also I really do hope some one interviews them and ask them questions like "Why did you leave Pang De out?" "Why did you have so many clones in DW 6?" Would be an interesting interview quite funny in my opinion.
As far as I know, they left certain characters out due to lack of time. Pang De, Xing Cai and Da Qiao were probably left out for that sole reason. Meng Huo and Zhu Rong were cut out since they chose to remove the entire Nanman campaign (again, likely due to lack of time). Jiang Wei was removed because his only battle would have been Wu Zhang Plains, and every other character in DW6 appeared in at least two stages (yes even Zhang Jiao and Dong Zhuo, see Lu Bu's story). I they would have left Zuo Ci out regardless of how much time they had, since he was pretty much a bonus character in DW5.

Clones were simply in the game because they didn't have enough time to give everyone a unique moveset.

EDIT: Unless you meant why they left Pang De out in DW7 then I don't know the answer :o
Thanks for the info Fuuma. Now they got to do some explaining for DW 7 :sly:
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Sun Feb 6, 2011 3:55 pm
Also I really do hope some one interviews them and ask them questions like "Why did you leave Pang De out?" "Why did you have so many clones in DW 6?" Would be an interesting interview quite funny in my opinion.
As far as I know, they left certain characters out due to lack of time. Pang De, Xing Cai and Da Qiao were probably left out for that sole reason. Meng Huo and Zhu Rong were cut out since they chose to remove the entire Nanman campaign (again, likely due to lack of time). Jiang Wei was removed because his only battle would have been Wu Zhang Plains, and every other character in DW6 appeared in at least two stages (yes even Zhang Jiao and Dong Zhuo, see Lu Bu's story). I they would have left Zuo Ci out regardless of how much time they had, since he was pretty much a bonus character in DW5.

Clones were simply in the game because they didn't have enough time to give everyone a unique moveset.

EDIT: Unless you meant why they left Pang De out in DW7 then I don't know the answer :o
Lack of time...?

Since when did video game companies ever have a required time frame?

They could have gotten off their lazy asses and actually made the game good.

Instead they didn't.

There are absolutely no excuses for Dynasty Warriors 6.
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Sun Feb 6, 2011 3:55 pm
Also I really do hope some one interviews them and ask them questions like "Why did you leave Pang De out?" "Why did you have so many clones in DW 6?" Would be an interesting interview quite funny in my opinion.
As far as I know, they left certain characters out due to lack of time. Pang De, Xing Cai and Da Qiao were probably left out for that sole reason. Meng Huo and Zhu Rong were cut out since they chose to remove the entire Nanman campaign (again, likely due to lack of time). Jiang Wei was removed because his only battle would have been Wu Zhang Plains, and every other character in DW6 appeared in at least two stages (yes even Zhang Jiao and Dong Zhuo, see Lu Bu's story). I they would have left Zuo Ci out regardless of how much time they had, since he was pretty much a bonus character in DW5.

Clones were simply in the game because they didn't have enough time to give everyone a unique moveset.

EDIT: Unless you meant why they left Pang De out in DW7 then I don't know the answer :o
Lack of time...?

Since when did video game companies ever have a required time frame?

They could have gotten off their lazy asses and actually made the game good.

Instead they didn't.

There are absolutely no excuses for Dynasty Warriors 6.
It was laziness. They had to spend alot of time of the new renbu system and HD graphics, more time than they had expected. So they'd given a deadline to the marketers and such, but couldn't keep the deadline so much had to be sacrificed to avoid huge delays and large costs because of that.

It was probably down to the gameplay system from 2-5 changing very little, so they'd grown used to taking it easy on that side of things. At least they seem to have pulled it together for DW7.

Atleast I think that's right... :mellow:
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That's fair enough, but games get delayed all the time. If there were things they wanted to do, they could have created time. There is no excuse for the pitiful amount of stages and characters in DW6. It was just a backwards step, and to me just felt like a Koei demo utilising next-gen tech.
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Sun Feb 6, 2011 10:31 am
I'm glad none of you actually work for Koei, what awful games we'd end up with were that the case.....
Can't say this because if anyone actually worked for KOEI, the person would almost definitely not be posting on this forum (busy at work you see) + it depends on who you are talking about, some are actually good, while there are some lesser ones. I'm sure people are talking about cutting rosters is because the character QUALITY is not developed enough, leaving a lot of characters with bland and horrible personalities. If they did cut, it would reduce the sales by a lot (liking this char, not in = not buy statement) but it would at least in a way improve the characters themselves. That's why you don't usually see a 60+ roster, unless it's a fighting game (where character development is also quite poor, but improved by other means like comics, etc) Like Bamboo said before.

@people saying people complain too much
Well I do it too, but until any of us get our hands on the game, you can't say too many good things about the game. Why? Because who knows, maybe conquest mode won't be the best thing ever made, although it looks quite good to me (kind of like muramasa castle but less linear) But most of us can see the bad parts, gameplay wise, we have not seen enough to judge it (+ KOEI was careless about the ice glitch) so in the end, what can you say besides the characters are good etc. :dance:
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Also I really do hope some one interviews them and ask them questions like "Why did you leave Pang De out?" "Why did you have so many clones in DW 6?" Would be an interesting interview quite funny in my opinion.
As far as I know, they left certain characters out due to lack of time. Pang De, Xing Cai and Da Qiao were probably left out for that sole reason. Meng Huo and Zhu Rong were cut out since they chose to remove the entire Nanman campaign (again, likely due to lack of time). Jiang Wei was removed because his only battle would have been Wu Zhang Plains, and every other character in DW6 appeared in at least two stages (yes even Zhang Jiao and Dong Zhuo, see Lu Bu's story). I they would have left Zuo Ci out regardless of how much time they had, since he was pretty much a bonus character in DW5.

Clones were simply in the game because they didn't have enough time to give everyone a unique moveset.

EDIT: Unless you meant why they left Pang De out in DW7 then I don't know the answer :o
Lack of time...?

Since when did video game companies ever have a required time frame?

They could have gotten off their lazy asses and actually made the game good.

Instead they didn't.

There are absolutely no excuses for Dynasty Warriors 6.
Usually games have a delay if they are running low on time.

They did it to Dynasty Warriors 6 Empires after the terrible graphics and other things.

But other times, games do have a required time frame and things get cut out.

Example? Knights of the Old Republic 2.

I'm sure the actual people who design it are Dynasty Warriors fans.

DW 2-3-4-5 It was simple. Add characters, Tweak movesets, and later change costumes.


By 6, either due to fan complaints or viewing the changing hacknslash genre they wanted to try something new. Completely add new movesets. Motion capture looked great (which takes a while btw), but in the end huge backlash for the six characters. Six.


7 They had to revamp again. Which means limited time..again.

You could say they didn't do jack, that you could do it better.

But this is a Game company. Companies do what it is in their best interest.

And that is to keep their company here for a very long time.
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This thread is silly. :D

To end it.
No character needs to be cut, even if you don't like them. The irony in people saying that is hilarious. Did you not see DW6 rage? Did you not see Pang De rage this time around? Every character is going to add something, just wait and find out what.


SOOO. :rolleyes:
Who do you guys expect in the next release?
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More info on Chronicle Mode perhaps? Maybe even news of Free Mode? Character wise I expect to see the Guans (Yu, Ping and Suo). Perhaps Gan Ning and Pang De (whatever you say - Koei has NOT confirmed his cut yet). I really want to see Cao Pi now too, I'm hoping he goes back to his DW5 look (and weapon).
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I really want to see Diao Chan, Xu Zhu, Wei Yan and Xu Huang. Also some info as to whether or not there will be items like previous installments. I really liked getting rare items by completing certain tasks. It makes the game much more replayable. Also the horse collecting, nothing like DW6 thanks! :P
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Im sure they made the complaints section for a reason lol... I'd like to refer the 99% of those posting here... over to there. K thanx.
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Sun Feb 6, 2011 3:31 pm
-_- Dude . . . I only read like half of that . . . anyways, regardless whether or not you may feel that your *EVERY* opinion *HAS* to be expessed in a thread solely about the upcoming game, all opinions don't have to be said. There's a thing called respect, stop hiding behind that *I have a right to my opinions* crap. The fact that you *DO* know that there's a complaint thread for your own self-proclaimed opinions, you've come here to cause problems. Obviously it's hard for those to follow the rules, which is why some feel compelled to express how annoying it is to read that same history crap :hmmm:


I can't express how irritated I get when fan-nerds start throwing the history card. Who cares if so and so did this and that? I'm obviously not here for a history lesson, nor am I playing these games for that matter. You should know that Koei feels the same way; they're not making these games to make you pass your history class. Saying that females/fictional characters are useless is completely based off of your *EGO* and *PERSONAL WANTS*, because to my understanding, 98% of videogames have fictional characters and that'll never change. The only thing historical characters provide, are out of the ordinary scenarios, which is all Koei cared about, (which all I care about). It's not like the fictional characters Koei has been bringing in DW7 have been pulled out of this random hat. They didn't exist, but they had their foklore.

Whether or you may feel that you have to post here to keep this supposingly *hype* going, it would be better to stop wasting time on things that have been buried beyond the grave.

Simply do not post. This thread doesn't need to be a non-stop kind. <_< No new info = no posting, simple as that.
I don't see any new info coming till Tuesday, so I have every right to express my opinion. That's what fans do, they say what they like and dislike, this forum isn't really for advertising KOEI games by continueing the hype and just being "grateful".

Plus, I think I was respectful enough when I posted, and I said my opinion and I think many agree with me. About that history bit, I didn't laugh in a while... and I still didn't. DW series continues on with the exact same kinda gameplay, same story, same characters more or less, and same everything. If you don't care about the history they represent and want to rate it as a game, then I bet you're happy with how videogame sites rate KOEI games, "same" , "old" , "unoriginal" and similar adjectives have been labelled to KOEI games by those who don't care about the history they represent.

Plus, there are other games for you to play if you don't like history, but like it or not, it's what makes KOEI games special. I bet you didn't like it when I told you to go play other games, that's how I feel when I read your posts trying to send me to the complains thread. To each his own, and a forum is for expressing and exchanging opinion, forcing your opinions and hiding behind the rules shield is something we all hate, and so far I don't see any trouble *I* caused.

And even if I hide the history card which you obviously hate, what should I suggest then? how to expand the story - which if we forget history, will be the same story that KOEI never expanded till DW7 - who to add? Endless possibilities. You want Zhang Kai to beat Lu Bu in a duel, Meng Huo to unite the lands, Cai He to beat Guo Jia in a debate, etc.. And even with those endless possibilites you seem to be liking, KOEI never invented a worthy story. They tried with Zuo Ci then took him away in shame, KOEI can save all that trouble and feature historic events, that will still help expand the story and still be good additions, and give their characters better personalities and guess what, even the nerds will like it.
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Sun Feb 6, 2011 5:05 pm
This thread is silly. :D

To end it.
No character needs to be cut, even if you don't like them. The irony in people saying that is hilarious. Did you not see DW6 rage? Did you not see Pang De rage this time around? Every character is going to add something, just wait and find out what.


SOOO. :rolleyes:
Who do you guys expect in the next release?
Ha ha I said the same thing.

Also I think we'll get some info on free mode, and it'll be Wei heavy far as character reveals.
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"K thanks" - I'd like to refer you to some pre-school forums easily found via google. That kind of English skill is acceptable there ;)

Anyway... I agree about horse collecting, that was not so fun in DW6. I don't think items will be returning, but we do have support animals including Panda's which is pretty cool.
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Hopefully we see Xu Zhu in the next batch. Can't wait to see how he looks this time. :D
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Hopefully we see Xu Zhu in the next batch. Can't wait to see how he looks this time. :D
He will always be as big and stupid, I think. After all, this is Xu Zhu. :mellow:
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Hopefully we see Xu Zhu in the next batch. Can't wait to see how he looks this time. :D
He will always be as big and stupid, I think. After all, this is Xu Zhu. :mellow:
But he's getting his awesome club back. I just hope Huang Gai doesn't get it. :kurokan:
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Hopefully we see Xu Zhu in the next batch. Can't wait to see how he looks this time. :D
Probably fatter, dumber, and more gluttonous than before. Cannot wait to see him. <_<

I'm hoping Gan Ning reverts to his DW5 look, same with Cao Pi. Contrary to most people, I liked Guan Ping's 6 look.
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Hopefully we see Xu Zhu in the next batch. Can't wait to see how he looks this time. :D
Probably fatter, dumber, and more gluttonous than before. Cannot wait to see him. <_<

I'm hoping Gan Ning reverts to his DW5 look, same with Cao Pi. Contrary to most people, I liked Guan Ping's 6 look.
You actually liked his monkey vest? :crazy:

I may hate Guan Ping, but his DW5 outfit was better IMO. He looked like a Chinese Vaan from FF. (DW6 speaking) <_<
(I hated Vaan as well.)
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I liked his clothes and hair... he seemed pretty unique to me. His DW5 look was standard shonen fair.
Edited by Frayling0, Sun Feb 6, 2011 6:12 pm.
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