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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
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Liu Bei 7
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Zhang_Chunhua
Sun Feb 6, 2011 11:05 pm
I agree with Celestial.

also talking about steeling, makes me think, they only type of categories that i haven't see in Dw is a theft.

maybe Koei adds Liao Hua as one theft in dw8(knowing what they did with Zhang he and Wei Yan, is possible)
I would hate that character. If they turn him into a joke (which I can completely see Koei doing) I would be pissed. The way I see it, the whole point of his story is how he went from being some lowly rebel to a lead general in Shu's army. If he keeps the theft obsession up the entire time, it would ruin him.
Edited by Liu Bei 7, Sun Feb 6, 2011 11:11 pm.
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Zhang_Chunhua
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for one thing i am sure Koei is never adding Liu Bei's other wives because of SSX.

I would actually like that Liu Bei was portray like in history, been scare of SSX, but knowing Koei they would become the "imposible love" once again.

also if Lian Shi is connectec to SSX, I actually expect some girl talk( a lot of guys will cry if something like this happens :XD )
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Sun Feb 6, 2011 11:11 pm
Zhang_Chunhua
Sun Feb 6, 2011 11:05 pm
I agree with Celestial.

also talking about steeling, makes me think, they only type of categories that i haven't see in Dw is a theft.

maybe Koei adds Liao Hua as one theft in dw8(knowing what they did with Zhang he and Wei Yan, is possible)
I would hate that character. If they turn him into a joke (which I can completely see Koei doing) I would be pissed. The way I see it, the whole point of his story is how he went from being some lowly rebel to a lead general in Shu's army. If he keeps the theft obsession up the entire time, it would ruin him.
I hope Liao Hua isn't a kleptomaniac. I don't want his EX attack to pick doors, or pickpocket.
I want him to be bit like Guan Yu. Calm and stoic.
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Perhaps Lian Shi will share a conversation with SSX about the prospect of marrying Liu Bei... I can see that happening. if that was the only cut scene, I wouldn't mind. The dynamics between Lian and SSX could be really good, if Koei play it right.

Personally, I don't want Liao Hua. I don't want to see that sort of story.
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So what's the deal? Only 3 reveals?
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Sun Feb 6, 2011 11:14 pm
So what's the deal? Only 3 reveals?
Yep.
Sun Quan
Lu Bu
Lian Shi

PV will be coming soon.
And releases a week after. :D
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Sun Feb 6, 2011 10:33 pm
I just pray that the Western VA for Bao Sanniang isn't as horid as the Western DW6 SSX VA. I know this is a game but dang... Nothing about SSX in DW6 was believabe. They ruined the character and that VA only made it worse. Forget her OP bow I just couldn't stand her at all.
I don't understand how the VA can sound good voicing Kunoichi, but then not sounding beleivable voicing SSX.

But SSX's voice wasn't as annoying as Lu Xun's or Xu Zhu's >.>
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Squidlipticus
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I would actually prefer if Koei only revealed 2 or 3 characters but did so every week.
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So many things koei can do with Lian Shi and Shang Xiang. I'm sure they will have plenty of conversation about many things. Hopefully she won't just be talking to Shang Xiang only. What I do wonder though, when Shang Xiang leaves Wu with Liu Bei will Lian Shi stay behind. Probally some Quan and Shi time. :shifty: It would be interesting if she helps Shang Xiang escape and gets ready to leave but Shang Xiang tells her to stay and look after Quan for her.
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Sun Feb 6, 2011 11:20 pm
So many things koei can do with Lian Shi and Shang Xiang. I'm sure they will have plenty of conversation about many things. Hopefully she won't just be talking to Shang Xiang only. What I do wonder though, when Shang Xiang leaves Wu with Liu Bei will Lian Shi stay behind. Probally some Quan and Shi time. :shifty: It would be interesting if she helps Shang Xiang escape and gets ready to leave but Shang Xiang tells her to stay and look after Quan for her.
Her story is shaping up to have potential if Koei does it properly. Without individual musou modes though, I don't know how in depth Koei is going to go with individual relationships.
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now if Koei actually adds a theft, probably they would also add a pervert.

this would add a lot of funny cutscenes but would lose the point of the game, but then again is Koei so everthing is possible.

another topic, ok so Xiahou Yuan has always been funny like personality(specially DW5), and Xiahou Ba profile says he has a similar personally to his father, so that means that Ba is going to be joking a lot or funny like personality?

Edit:wonder how that would work?
Edited by Zhang_Chunhua, Sun Feb 6, 2011 11:25 pm.
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Sun Feb 6, 2011 11:20 pm
So many things koei can do with Lian Shi and Shang Xiang. I'm sure they will have plenty of conversation about many things. Hopefully she won't just be talking to Shang Xiang only. What I do wonder though, when Shang Xiang leaves Wu with Liu Bei will Lian Shi stay behind. Probally some Quan and Shi time. :shifty: It would be interesting if she helps Shang Xiang escape and gets ready to leave but Shang Xiang tells her to stay and look after Quan for her.
That actually sounds quite good... and that would lay the foundations for Lian Shi and Quan's relationship - but she has vowed Xiang to protect him. Wow... real potential for drama there.
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Sun Feb 6, 2011 11:25 pm
Celestial
Sun Feb 6, 2011 11:20 pm
So many things koei can do with Lian Shi and Shang Xiang. I'm sure they will have plenty of conversation about many things. Hopefully she won't just be talking to Shang Xiang only. What I do wonder though, when Shang Xiang leaves Wu with Liu Bei will Lian Shi stay behind. Probally some Quan and Shi time. :shifty: It would be interesting if she helps Shang Xiang escape and gets ready to leave but Shang Xiang tells her to stay and look after Quan for her.
That actually sounds quite good... and that would lay the foundations for Lian Shi and Quan's relationship - but she has vowed Xiang to protect him. Wow... real potential for drama there.
Thank you. ^_^ That makes me feel good.

I to wonder about Ba. I don't know but I keep over looking him. :XD I can see him being some what like Yuan but with a dark side since he is suppose to betray Jin.
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Celestial
Sun Feb 6, 2011 11:36 pm
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Sun Feb 6, 2011 11:25 pm
Celestial
Sun Feb 6, 2011 11:20 pm
So many things koei can do with Lian Shi and Shang Xiang. I'm sure they will have plenty of conversation about many things. Hopefully she won't just be talking to Shang Xiang only. What I do wonder though, when Shang Xiang leaves Wu with Liu Bei will Lian Shi stay behind. Probally some Quan and Shi time. :shifty: It would be interesting if she helps Shang Xiang escape and gets ready to leave but Shang Xiang tells her to stay and look after Quan for her.
That actually sounds quite good... and that would lay the foundations for Lian Shi and Quan's relationship - but she has vowed Xiang to protect him. Wow... real potential for drama there.
Thank you. ^_^ That makes me feel good.

I to wonder about Ba. I don't know but I keep over looking him. :XD I can see him being some what like Yuan but with a dark side since he is suppose to betray Jin.
actally i don't think he is going to be dark, he probably betray Jin when Sima Shi was in power, not liking the way Shi ruled, he move to shu were he had one family member waiting for him(I cant' say who). Also When the Sima's obtain the power over the Cao's, the simas started killing all who supported the Cao's, maybe Ba desided to leave because of that
Edited by Zhang_Chunhua, Sun Feb 6, 2011 11:47 pm.
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Sun Feb 6, 2011 11:46 pm
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Sun Feb 6, 2011 11:36 pm
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Sun Feb 6, 2011 11:25 pm
Celestial
Sun Feb 6, 2011 11:20 pm
So many things koei can do with Lian Shi and Shang Xiang. I'm sure they will have plenty of conversation about many things. Hopefully she won't just be talking to Shang Xiang only. What I do wonder though, when Shang Xiang leaves Wu with Liu Bei will Lian Shi stay behind. Probally some Quan and Shi time. :shifty: It would be interesting if she helps Shang Xiang escape and gets ready to leave but Shang Xiang tells her to stay and look after Quan for her.
That actually sounds quite good... and that would lay the foundations for Lian Shi and Quan's relationship - but she has vowed Xiang to protect him. Wow... real potential for drama there.
Thank you. ^_^ That makes me feel good.

I to wonder about Ba. I don't know but I keep over looking him. :XD I can see him being some what like Yuan but with a dark side since he is suppose to betray Jin.
actally i don't think he is going to be dark, he probably betray Jin when Sima Shi was in power, not liking the way Shi ruled, he move to shu were he had one family member waiting for him(I cant' say who). Also When the Sima's obtain the power over the Cao's, the simas started killing all who supported the Cao's, maybe Ba desided to leave because of that
I didn't mean like evil dark. But planning on leaving dark. But the dark part is just a faint part. Most of the time he is Yuan like is what I ment. :hehe:
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dancingswan
Sun Feb 6, 2011 11:17 pm
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Sun Feb 6, 2011 11:14 pm
So what's the deal? Only 3 reveals?
Yep.
Sun Quan
Lu Bu
Lian Shi

PV will be coming soon.
And releases a week after. :D
missed poor lu bu :(

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So many things koei can do with Lian Shi and Shang Xiang. I'm sure they will have plenty of conversation about many things. Hopefully she won't just be talking to Shang Xiang only. What I do wonder though, when Shang Xiang leaves Wu with Liu Bei will Lian Shi stay behind. Probally some Quan and Shi time. :shifty: It would be interesting if she helps Shang Xiang escape and gets ready to leave but Shang Xiang tells her to stay and look after Quan for her.

That doesn't really make sense, why would she leave Sun Quan? + the fact that the marriage was PLANNED, so shang or her escaping makes no sense at all :P

PV just 2-3 days away :dance: (if it releases Tuesday or something)
Edited by Blaziruku, Mon Feb 7, 2011 1:29 am.
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I really hope they do play up the relationship between SSX and Lian Shi. If they don't, she'll be a truly boring character indeed. A relationship between Lian Shi and Sun Quan doesn't really sound that interesting. I don't buy that Sun Quan is "neglected" by KOEI one bit, but I will say that his personality is pretty neutral. All the other characters in the game with love interests had a distinct personality that their love interest complemented - Sun Ce was fun-loving, Da Qiao was cautious and reserved. Zhou Yu was serious and determined, Xiao Qiao was free-spirited and energetic.

Even with Xing Cai and Guan Ping, who weren't really a romantic relationship and had somewhat similar goals and personalities, there was enough contrast there to make it interesting. Xing Cai knew what she had to do for the sake of Shu, but Guan Ping, despite his brave front, worried about matching up to his father. It's true that KOEI has been a bit shallow with their portrayals of the relationships in the games, but they had at least some enjoyable aspects of that. I just don't see that with Sun Quan unless they really take him in a new direction, such as maybe having him inherit a bit of his brother's reckless spirit.

Now, on to something else.

People have the right to complain about things. It's legitimate conversation, and I don't see how it goes against any forum rules. If you want a land of happy fun rainbows and sunshines where everybody nerdgasms as soon as KOEI reveals something, then that's tough luck. Yes, it gets old when people are a constant stream of negativity, but know what's more irritating than that? People who act as KOEI's damn apologists for stupid design decisions. "You'll see why it was a good idea to not include ________." Really? Because I played Dynasty Warriors 6, and without the Nanman, Pang De, Jiang Wei, musou modes and unique weapons for most of the characters, and playable Other sides in stages, it sucked hard.

That means fanboys who not only think that everything KOEI does is gold, but also make stupid, one-lined posts talking about "whiners" and things like that. People like that are sycophants and can't handle that someone dares dislike what they like.

Rant over. Thank you to people like that guy with the Zhuge Liang strikeforce avatar and the countless other people I've put on my ignore list for opening my eyes to just how silly it is to really talk about anything on these boards, since apparently expressing displeasure about something even while remaining optimistic about the rest of the game is harshing your fanboy buzz.
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I really hope they do play up the relationship between SSX and Lian Shi. If they don't, she'll be a truly boring character indeed. A relationship between Lian Shi and Sun Quan doesn't really sound that interesting. I don't buy that Sun Quan is "neglected" by KOEI one bit, but I will say that his personality is pretty neutral. All the other characters in the game with love interests had a distinct personality that their love interest complemented - Sun Ce was fun-loving, Da Qiao was cautious and reserved. Zhou Yu was serious and determined, Xiao Qiao was free-spirited and energetic.

Even with Xing Cai and Guan Ping, who weren't really a romantic relationship and had somewhat similar goals and personalities, there was enough contrast there to make it interesting. Xing Cai knew what she had to do for the sake of Shu, but Guan Ping, despite his brave front, worried about matching up to his father. It's true that KOEI has been a bit shallow with their portrayals of the relationships in the games, but they had at least some enjoyable aspects of that. I just don't see that with Sun Quan unless they really take him in a new direction, such as maybe having him inherit a bit of his brother's reckless spirit.

Now, on to something else.

People have the right to complain about things. It's legitimate conversation, and I don't see how it goes against any forum rules. If you want a land of happy fun rainbows and sunshines where everybody nerdgasms as soon as KOEI reveals something, then that's tough luck. Yes, it gets old when people are a constant stream of negativity, but know what's more irritating than that? People who act as KOEI's damn apologists for stupid design decisions. "You'll see why it was a good idea to not include ________." Really? Because I played Dynasty Warriors 6, and without the Nanman, Pang De, Jiang Wei, musou modes and unique weapons for most of the characters, and playable Other sides in stages, it sucked hard.

That means fanboys who not only think that everything KOEI does is gold, but also make stupid, one-lined posts talking about "whiners" and things like that. People like that are sycophants and can't handle that someone dares dislike what they like.

Rant over. Thank you to people like that guy with the Zhuge Liang strikeforce avatar and the countless other people I've put on my ignore list for opening my eyes to just how silly it is to really talk about anything on these boards, since apparently expressing displeasure about something even while remaining optimistic about the rest of the game is harshing your fanboy buzz.
Nice post man! Straight points forward, much better than how I would word it (safe to say it would be much messy and sound more like I'm raging lol)

Yeah, Quan feels more neutral than the rest of the Sun Family (father being strong etc, Ce being happy and energetic, Xiang being strong willed) + since he was technically the only ruler of wu in the roster, he doesn't seem to have enough effort put into him. I do hope they will add a bit of sparkle onto him and Lian Shi, + her and SSX since it would be nice since she's the only girl she would talk to (never seen SSX talk to any of the qiaos for that matter.)
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Wow, quite the number of posts about how koei "warriors." Anyways hope the Pv will take our minds off the issues for a bit.
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Hm what someone said earlier about Liao Hua being a bandit/outlaw/barbarian type gave me an idea of how they could add him (to DW8 at least) with keeping him in from the YTR to the fall of Shu and without adding a detailed ageing system to his face so he'd be young in YTR but old at the fall of Shu. It's quite simple if you think about it.

Give him a Mask! :whistle:
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Hm what someone said earlier about Liao Hua being a bandit/outlaw/barbarian type gave me an idea of how they could add him (to DW8 at least) with keeping him in from the YTR to the fall of Shu and without adding a detailed ageing system to his face so he'd be young in YTR but old at the fall of Shu. It's quite simple if you think about it.

Give him a Mask! :whistle:
it's already said that some characters (pretty sure not all since KOEI is lazy) will grow *older* in the story modes. Facial changes I suppose like in ROTK where Zhao Yun will get older with time and have a beard i think?
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Liao Hua was a 'bandit', not just a bandit. Koei adds fantasy to these things. Gan Ning wasn't the guy with hair swept back and a bandana kind of pirate, he was just a guy who led a battalion of vagabonds along the river. Liao Hua was a soldier with no lord to serve, and thus labeled a 'bandit' because he had an army with no lord.

The Yellow Turbans, too, were considered madmen and whatever to Koei, but they were just a normal group of soldiers that wore a yellow cloth. Zhang Jiao wasn't some madman preacher, but a thinking man who got his hand on a book that changed the way he saw the empire and rebelled.


I'm sorry...? The Yellow Turbans have always been shown in a bright light by many of Koei's games. They continue to purport that the Yellow Turbans are a representative of frustration of the people. This is followed through in both RotK and the DW series. Dynasty Warriors 3 and 5 showed this the best. In Dynasty Warriors 3 Zhang Jiao was shown to be wise, powerful, but desperate. He showed great empathy for his followers who followed him outside of the bounds of China to find a land that would accept them after his Yellow Turban Rebellion failed (I did love that concept). Also in DW3 there was the bandit stage where Zhang Jiao says "A man like you could never understand the Tao!" (Said correctly?! Wha...?) DW3 was probably my favorite version of Zhang Jiao.

Dynasty Warriors 5 also portrayed Zhang Jiao with redeemable qualities. In Yuan Shao's Musou when you meet with Zhang Jiao there's a cutscene where Yuan Shao and Zhang Jiao talk for a second and in it Zhang Jiao clearly says what the trouble with the Han is and that it is men like Yuan Shao that have ruined the Han.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c8Jgf8WJxA

As for Zhang Jiao though... I really think they can do more with him. Especially in DW7 where his title is apparently going to be "Voice of the Heavens". It makes me think his role may be more serious this time around. He would work great as a Doomsayer of his foes. Especially when it comes to Liu Bei. Technically as they are both supposedly representing the people, Zhang Jiao can call Liu Bei a hypocrite in that he stands with the nobility over the common people. Perhaps give Liu Bei a small foreshadow of his own fate?

"Your charisma and bravado may lead you to high station, yet when a great personal loss occurs for you, you shall throw caution to the winds. I see a great line of fire and your fall at its end..."

And something similar for the other two rulers. I am very curious to know what Zhang Jiao will be all about in 7, he was done right in 3 and 5. Every second game has been the charm for him.

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I to wonder about Ba. I don't know but I keep over looking him. :XD I can see him being some what like Yuan but with a dark side since he is suppose to betray Jin.


Xiahou Ba was forced out of Wei, or he would have been killed with Cao Shuang's fall. Even his bio mentions something along the lines of. "Until he begins to see his own position in Wei become unsteady." I'm not entirely sure what role he will play before he betrays Jin though.

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So many things koei can do with Lian Shi and Shang Xiang. I'm sure they will have plenty of conversation about many things. Hopefully she won't just be talking to Shang Xiang only. What I do wonder though, when Shang Xiang leaves Wu with Liu Bei will Lian Shi stay behind. Probally some Quan and Shi time. :shifty: It would be interesting if she helps Shang Xiang escape and gets ready to leave but Shang Xiang tells her to stay and look after Quan for her.

That doesn't really make sense, why would she leave Sun Quan? + the fact that the marriage was PLANNED, so shang or her escaping makes no sense at all :P
I was referring to the event in the novel where she and Liu Bei leave Wu. :hehe: Seems like you were thinking I was talking about her running away and eloping. :XD Plus we would get to see Ding Feng get scolded by Shang Xiang. ^_^

Hopefully something like this.

Shang Xiang putting Gan Ning in his place. =3
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Rant over. Thank you to people like that guy with the Zhuge Liang strikeforce avatar and the countless other people I've put on my ignore list for opening my eyes to just how silly it is to really talk about anything on these boards, since apparently expressing displeasure about something even while remaining optimistic about the rest of the game is harshing your fanboy buzz.
You know, if you don't like it here so much, you don't have to post, or read everyone's post for that matter. Nearly everything people say in here is filler.
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Since Dw7 does not have mousu mode. Does anyone have any idea, how there going to incorporate all these story elements,for each character?
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