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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
Topic Started: Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:32 am (1,039,707 Views)
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Mon Feb 7, 2011 4:40 am
Since Dw7 does not have mousu mode. Does anyone have any idea, how there going to incorporate all these story elements,for each character?
The same way they did in DW4 maybe?
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yes yuqi that definitely seems like a tough balancing act for them to showcase all the characters main highlights when you only have one or two characters to each stage.

actually i feel like a great idea would be to after having beaten the musou for a kingdom the first go around, it would then be interesting if, when you play the musou over, for certain stages you were allowed to choose at least one other character that fits well into the level, in a way by completing the musou mode you unlock more options for different outlooks
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They do have a Musou mode...

Dramatic Kingdom Mode. Most likely through cut scenes, dialouge, in battle events, and the such will explain these characters. Since Lian Shi is to be Sun Quan's wife you can bet that she will be in many of the Wu Cutscenes after Ce dies and SSX and Sun Quan take center stage.
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Mon Feb 7, 2011 3:34 am
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Mon Feb 7, 2011 2:43 am
Hm what someone said earlier about Liao Hua being a bandit/outlaw/barbarian type gave me an idea of how they could add him (to DW8 at least) with keeping him in from the YTR to the fall of Shu and without adding a detailed ageing system to his face so he'd be young in YTR but old at the fall of Shu. It's quite simple if you think about it.

Give him a Mask! :whistle:
it's already said that some characters (pretty sure not all since KOEI is lazy) will grow *older* in the story modes. Facial changes I suppose like in ROTK where Zhao Yun will get older with time and have a beard i think?
I'm pretty sure the changes are just accessories such as Xiahou Dun with and without his eye patch and Sima Shi with and without his mask. I think they said ages ago on their japanese twitter that the characters would stay the same age but characters would change if the story ment they had to such as Xiahou Dun losing his eye but no-one would grow facial hair unless it was necessary.

My mask idea was simply because alot of people said they they couldn't add him unless they made him look young at YTR and made him look old at the fall of Shu but if they gave him a mask either from the start or later on in the story (maybe make up a story of his face being terribly scarred at the defeat at Fan castle so he wears a mask to hide his face) then at the end of the story they wouldn't have to show his face all old but make his VA sound a bit older. You know take the easy way out (like what koei likes to do :sly: ) it would be easier than making two versions of the same character if they just made the exact same model but with a mask like they have already done with Xiahou Dun and Sima Shi.
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@Xiuzhao

Possibly, but DW4 did not have 60+ characters.

@totem warrior

I like that idea

@Sazuke EX

I know that. But the roster is so big, how are they going to make a suitable story in 'dramatic kingdom mode' for 60+ characters.(minus the 'other' characters)
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Mon Feb 7, 2011 4:40 am
Since Dw7 does not have mousu mode. Does anyone have any idea, how there going to incorporate all these story elements,for each character?
well since we allready know their are personal cut scenes and dw4 didn't really have that.my guess would be that when you do a stage like fan castle it will start with a cutscene between guan ping and guan yu and you start as guan yu then some time durring the battle you will interact with guan ping and another cutscene will occur and then you will play as guan ping durring the rest of the battle and the end wether or not they have shu lose or win depending on how the cutscene will be their will be a ending scene with guan yu and guan ping being captured or with them being victorious thats how i see it.
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Well, they have up to 25 stages and at least 15 stages to do just that... So, we'll just have to see.
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I can never keep up with this thread lol, but since we are on the topic of cutscene, stages etc. Does anyone know if the other characters will have cutscenes? Despite not having a kingdom mode? I still don't really understand what Chronicle mode is, is it like a musou kinda thing for each character? Idk why Koei just doesn't stick to a musou mode with each character mode the made Dynasty Warriors 5 right
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Since Lian Shi is to be Sun Quan's wife you can bet that she will be in many of the Wu Cutscenes after Ce dies and SSX and Sun Quan take center stage.
I hope this is true, because I don't really recall the Qiao sisters figuring into their respective husband's story lines too much, but it's been awhile since I played. Zhou Yu and his wife kind of clash in the costume department, too. At least Lian Shi and Sun Quan match well.

I'd like to see more women interacting (and not the catty Yue Ying vs. Zhen Ji kind of thing) because it makes sense that these women would cross paths since their husbands were all prominent figures in Wu. It would just be a nice touch, especially since they're adding so many new women to the game.


...I still miss Pang De, though...
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Mon Feb 7, 2011 6:04 am
I can never keep up with this thread lol, but since we are on the topic of cutscene, stages etc. Does anyone know if the other characters will have cutscenes? Despite not having a kingdom mode? I still don't really understand what Chronicle mode is, is it like a musou kinda thing for each character? Idk why Koei just doesn't stick to a musou mode with each character mode the made Dynasty Warriors 5 right
well for kingdom mode im sure when you see lu bu at hu lao gate their would be a cutscene and when you see diao chan and dong zhuo but for chronicle mode i sure their will be at least one scene for each character.
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The first PREVIEW for "Dynasty Warriors 7"

Here are the sources:
1- http://n4g.com/news/694994/plus-xp-preview-of-dynasty-warriors-7/com

2- http://www.plusxp.com/2010/11/dynasty-warriors-7/






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Mon Feb 7, 2011 2:43 am
Hm what someone said earlier about Liao Hua being a bandit/outlaw/barbarian type gave me an idea of how they could add him (to DW8 at least) with keeping him in from the YTR to the fall of Shu and without adding a detailed ageing system to his face so he'd be young in YTR but old at the fall of Shu. It's quite simple if you think about it.

Give him a Mask! :whistle:
it's already said that some characters (pretty sure not all since KOEI is lazy) will grow *older* in the story modes. Facial changes I suppose like in ROTK where Zhao Yun will get older with time and have a beard i think?
I'm pretty sure the changes are just accessories such as Xiahou Dun with and without his eye patch and Sima Shi with and without his mask. I think they said ages ago on their japanese twitter that the characters would stay the same age but characters would change if the story ment they had to such as Xiahou Dun losing his eye but no-one would grow facial hair unless it was necessary.

My mask idea was simply because alot of people said they they couldn't add him unless they made him look young at YTR and made him look old at the fall of Shu but if they gave him a mask either from the start or later on in the story (maybe make up a story of his face being terribly scarred at the defeat at Fan castle so he wears a mask to hide his face) then at the end of the story they wouldn't have to show his face all old but make his VA sound a bit older. You know take the easy way out (like what koei likes to do :sly: ) it would be easier than making two versions of the same character if they just made the exact same model but with a mask like they have already done with Xiahou Dun and Sima Shi.
Doesn't make sense of him being younger and older, would be cool. but I don't think I saw anyone saw that he shouldn't be in because of that.

Because then the sun family/liu bei would be pretty weird, huh?

Shang in some battles where she was like 4 or something (don't know exact number) or Liu Bei being epic young while his brothers are epic older :D

No one should be so picky on OH HE SHOULD LOOK LIKE THIS IN SAID BATTLE.

They're kinda doing it in DW7 (eye patch) they could easily make him look young with a bit of beard on him later. Not too hard, or shouldn't be.
Mask, kinda gets me confused like he screwed his face over or something xD
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its kinda nice to read a preview of the game.
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Wow, I'm surprised that review was written so long ago and I never stumbled across it. It didn't have anything new (obviously, since it was written in November) but it was a good read nonetheless and good hype builder (which seems rare for English coverage of a Musou game).
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Exactly. While eventually we should all come to accept what they do, that doesn't mean we have to like it nor does it mean we shouldn't voice displeasure (whether or not it's in the right thread is another matter).


I'm not sure we're on the same page. Voicing your opinions is totally fine, but should you keep bringing up the same argument over and over? Should we constantly know why someone thinks this character is useless? At some point, it should be taken to the correct thread; especially the *females are useless* crap. There is a female discussion board right below, why not take the argument there?

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Also, your post was pretty much off-topic and all you did was complain. Using your reasoning, maybe you should take it to the Complaints thread, or maybe not post it at all.


Again, you are misreading my posts. It's fine giving your opinions whether it may be good or not. I wasn't saying he shouldn't stop all together, or else I would have posted in the complaint thread. There's just a point to where you're constantly repeating yourselves.

Bamboo
 
Umm, duh? No one has ever said "It is everyone's opinion that this certain character sucks."
Saying a character sucks and being useless are two different things. I could care less whether or not a person thinks a character sucks; it's their opinion and they have a right to like what they want. Saying that someone is useless, especially females, can come off very offensive to other posters because you're going beyond a character's looks/personality. Even the semi-fictional characters; everyone has their role in the game and they definitely have their usefulness; therefore, it would be respectful to put aside your egos for the sake of offending someone.

Bamboo
 
Some play the games to see their favorite figures or era brought to life. Is that so hard to understand? Nobody really wants to see the games become only based on history (or the novel, for that matter), nor should they expect it to be. They just want, again, to see events . We're not playing the game for you, and it's only right we should be able to express our opinions as well. It's ignorant for anyone to argue otherwise.
I'm not sure what you're getting at with this post, because I'm definitely seeing people hating fictional characters; females; different portrayal routes; they're even trying to argue people down with history. That definitely sounds like someone wanting even more historical accuracy <_<

You shouldn't be playing this game for me, but there's some people here who rely on the history counterparts too much and ultimately getting disappointed, venting their frustration in the main thread.

Bamboo
 
Nasser's post did as much praise as it criticized, don't see why you seem to think it was otherwise. Maybe if you didn't read just "half of that", you would know.
I've read enough to get that there are some things he did like, but there were major things I did not agree with. Is it so wrong that I reply to the things we don't agree with? Something definitely HAD to be said about that.

@Nasser


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I don't see any new info coming till Tuesday, so I have every right to express my opinion. That's what fans do, they say what they like and dislike, this forum isn't really for advertising KOEI games by continueing the hype and just being "grateful".

The fact that you do realise there isn't any new information shouldn't mean that you have to dig up old complaints. I could care less whether or not you may feel grateful, but it's very strange to post in a forum dedicated to certain games about how much you dislike Koei and tell other people that they shouldn't be grateful. That's just plain wrong :facepalm:

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Plus, I think I was respectful enough when I posted, and I said my opinion and I think many agree with me. About that history bit, I didn't laugh in a while... and I still didn't. DW series continues on with the exact same kinda gameplay, same story, same characters more or less, and same everything. If you don't care about the history they represent and want to rate it as a game, then I bet you're happy with how videogame sites rate KOEI games, "same" , "old" , "unoriginal" and similar adjectives have been labelled to KOEI games by those who don't care about the history they represent.

-_- uh . . . okay? I'm not just talking about you; that applied to many other posters as well. It's because Koei has relied too much on history which is why they''ll never get out of that *same 'ole* status. If they didn't baby fans so much, they could really have been able to do better things with their gameplay; story; weapons etc. I actually feel bad them. If they only used the names of the characters and how well were perceived and have everything else made-up, (like it supposed to be), they wouldn't be struggling to get the DW3 atmosphere again. There would be no excuse to have the different stories and characters constantly racking up when they could actually die and not come back in the stories without having to cut characters, (which we all know that leaves a bad taste in your mouth). They wouldn't even have to be forced to have clones either.

Nasser
 
Plus, there are other games for you to play if you don't like history, but like it or not, it's what makes KOEI games special. I bet you didn't like it when I told you to go play other games, that's how I feel when I read your posts trying to send me to the complains thread. To each his own, and a forum is for expressing and exchanging opinion, forcing your opinions and hiding behind the rules shield is something we all hate, and so far I don't see any trouble *I* caused.

I really don't have any contempt against you if you told me to play some other game; I'm not the one complaining about how Koei is supposingly ruining things. I just simply love how the game works. If you think Koei is special by rehashing the same stories, then I don't know what to say to that. Maybe you haven't caused any trouble, but there are other who don't like being responded when it's something a poster don't agree to.

Nasser
 
And even if I hide the history card which you obviously hate, what should I suggest then? how to expand the story - which if we forget history, will be the same story that KOEI never expanded till DW7 - who to add? Endless possibilities. You want Zhang Kai to beat Lu Bu in a duel, Meng Huo to unite the lands, Cai He to beat Guo Jia in a debate, etc.. And even with those endless possibilites you seem to be liking, KOEI never invented a worthy story.

You still don't get it. It because Koei used too much history that there is no other way to add a fair amount of fictional stages without getting burned to the ground.

Anyone could do what they want, to be honest. Just because it wasn't written in history shouldn't mean it's not going to be interesting. Maybe you shouldn't suggest nothing, that is if you're going to complain about it afterwards finding out that a character turned out totally different.


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Hey guys, can we cut the ****? There's a three way debate-turned-argument that's making these pages extremely difficult to navigate through. Can we do something about that, please?

To anybody else, how long after the game goes live does it usually take for a databook to release?
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If they only used the names of the characters and how well were perceived and have everything else made-up, (like it supposed to be), they wouldn't be struggling to get the DW3 atmosphere again.


have everything else made-up (like it supposed to be)? :whistle: lol. It's supposed to be this way, says who? You decided this?

Something tells me, you didn't play much of DW3. Because made up fairy land stories were not a part of DW3. It was the first DW to really bring reasonably realistic story modes for each character based on their own history. Great gameplay / difficulty balance, and musou mode for the characters with battles that the characters were actually in, and interactions with characters that they actually interacted with in history. Only some liberties were taken, which even historical nuts can live with.

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("It's because Koei has relied too much on history which is why they''ll never get out of that *same 'ole* status. If they didn't baby fans so much, they could really have been able to do better things with their gameplay; story; weapons etc."


The gameplay / weapons did not suffer like you implied would happen if they focused on making the stories historical. :facepalm: It thrived. Their introduction to the weapon finding system and 4th weapon system was innovative and led to a ton of replay value trying to acquire these badass weapons. And again, the story didn't suffer from this attention to making all these gameplay features bomb.


I think the sheer number of people that you clash with regarding your personal fantasy musou game should probably make you realize you are in the vast minority among the Koei community. Now that's what you personally want and that's okay to have opinions, but you have to understand from a business perspective it would not be wise to go in a direction that would infuriate the majority of the community and please a very small portion of people.

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Just because it wasn't written in history shouldn't mean it's not going to be interesting


:lol: , so we can try all kinds of things just because they weren't done in history? Like maybe have a stage where we go ice skating the entire time. Or maybe at Wu Zhang Plains lets just get everyone together and have them eat dinner? It wasn't written in history but that doesn't mean it won't be interesting.

Get my drift? There needs to be some direction in terms of story-telling, and that's where the real history ties in. Many many people are connected to these characters because they know who they are and their personality and so on. Take all that away and make it completely fictionalized and you're going to lose a lot of people. So take the formula when the series was a success; take some liberties with the stories in DW but keep it as historical as possible.
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What in the hell is going on exactly in this damn thread.

I can't even remember what I was going to reply too when a damn three way argument showed up, I mean seriously can you guys arguments or debates or whatever you may call them for justifying your reason for doing it, not be so long and back forth all the time.

I mean I know everyone is entitled to an opinion, but damn this is ridiculous.
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TrueConquer
Mon Feb 7, 2011 6:04 am
I can never keep up with this thread lol, but since we are on the topic of cutscene, stages etc. Does anyone know if the other characters will have cutscenes? Despite not having a kingdom mode? I still don't really understand what Chronicle mode is, is it like a musou kinda thing for each character? Idk why Koei just doesn't stick to a musou mode with each character mode the made Dynasty Warriors 5 right
Yes, Other will appear in at least one cutscene. We can already see that Zhang Jiao, Yuan Shao, Dong Zhuo and Lu Bu will appear in at least one cutscene, via the screenshots. That said, Diao Chan, Meng Huo and Zhu Rong will appear probably also in a cutscene. For my part, even if the Other characters have no Story Mode, they are not neglected, they will have their roles to play as enemies on the battlefield. So they are not definitely excluded from the Story Mode.
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Mon Feb 7, 2011 8:16 am
Hey guys, can we cut the ****? There's a three way debate-turned-argument that's making these pages extremely difficult to navigate through. Can we do something about that, please?

To anybody else, how long after the game goes live does it usually take for a databook to release?
I think the databook will be released immediately, I believe there was a pre-order edition of the game that included it, IIRC..
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Hey guys, can we cut the ****? There's a three way debate-turned-argument that's making these pages extremely difficult to navigate through. Can we do something about that, please?

To anybody else, how long after the game goes live does it usually take for a databook to release?
I think the databook will be released immediately, I believe there was a pre-order edition of the game that included it, IIRC..
I remember with Warriors Orochi 2, the databook didn't show up until about a month later. I could be mistaken though. I don't think for DW7 it'd be the pre-order bonus. I believe the only things that come with that are those ballpoint pens and bonus retailer costumes.

Was it the Treasure Box that came with it? I've gotta go find the Treasure Box details since they aren't in the info thread.
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lol. It's supposed to be this way, says who? You decided this?
I was implying that a game shouldn't have history overpower it. Koei surely should understand that if they're striving for bigger audiences, they should never have so much history intact. They could have easily been able to start with different beginning stages other than the same Yellow Turban. Zhang Jiao should have been long gone from DW; there's no reason he should still be here, as well as many others. This roster should contain no more than 30 characters; seeing as Koei having a hard time making everyone unique. The only thing they can do is cut characters -_-

It's kind of like playing a rpg still fighting the same bosses for 7 installments, only adding a few different ones. Because they chose to use so much history, they're standing on a plack; tied up on a ship. No matter how good the game is for the ones that understand why Koei constantly starts off with, their best bet is to quit with this history charade and leave it to ROTTK for gamers to have that history experience.

Lord Yuan Shu
 
Something tells me, you didn't play much of DW3.

Umm . . . I'm pretty sure I did . . . I actually nearly maxed every character. <_<

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The gameplay / weapons did not suffer like you implied would happen if they focused on making the stories historical. It thrived.
When I mentioned weapons, I meant the weapon exclusives. Characters shouldn't be limited to a weapon unless it's absolutely necessary. There's too many complaints when Koei tries to change characters, which shouldn't be necessary. Either that character should have died out from the game, or had some kind of age alter.

I'm not sure if everyone agrees that it *thrived*, maybe it was good for a few installments, but you could only do so much with each one.

Lord Yuan Shu
 
I think the sheer number of people that you clash with regarding your personal fantasy musou game should probably make you realize you are in the vast minority among the Koei community. Now that's what you personally want and that's okay to have opinions, but you have to understand from a business perspective it would not be wise to go in a direction that would infuriate the majority of the community and please a very small portion of people.
Haha. I'm totally okay with with Koei gives me. I definitely don't consider my comments my own dream game, but a game that could expand to other fanbases. Perhaps I am the minority in this board that prefers fiction, but in reality, you are the minority worldwide that feels that this is the right route for Koei. If you're were the majority, surely Koei wouldn't suffer from bad reviews that are. . . . right ^_^

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so we can try all kinds of things just because they weren't done in history? Like maybe have a stage where we go ice skating the entire time. Or maybe at Wu Zhang Plains lets just get everyone together and have them eat dinner? It wasn't written in history but that doesn't mean it won't be interesting. Get my drift? There needs to be some direction in terms of story-telling, and that's where the real history ties in. Many many people are connected to these characters because they know who they are and their personality and so on.
I didn't mean Koei going that far out with fiction, but they shouldn't have to follow history that much. They could easily have things portrayed by wars itself. Why should there always a surprise attack in He Fei? Why should the same kingdoms always win and others lose? Why is everything predictable? The real history only prevents Koei from giving us unpredictable story routes. How about let's back off of history . . . . alot?

Just because people are connected to them doesn't mean they should be allowed to live in every installment; that's called babing. Being in one or two installment should be enough, to be honest.
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No matter how good the game is for the ones that understand why Koei constantly starts off with, their best bet is to quit with this history charade and leave it to ROTTK for gamers to have that history experience.
This would be awesome if ROTTK gave you the option of DW-style battles~
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I can never keep up with this thread lol, but since we are on the topic of cutscene, stages etc. Does anyone know if the other characters will have cutscenes? Despite not having a kingdom mode? I still don't really understand what Chronicle mode is, is it like a musou kinda thing for each character? Idk why Koei just doesn't stick to a musou mode with each character mode the made Dynasty Warriors 5 right
Could be, that chronicle mode will, perhaps, make up for cutsenes that could not be in kingdom mode?

When I look at Zhang He's screen-shot,it seems like his greeting someone(Though albit evily)
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