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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
Topic Started: Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:32 am (1,039,655 Views)
Benzod
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Seriously, why is Koei being lazier each time nowadays?

That's pretty unfair. There's been quite alot put into this game, so saying that several officers sharing movesets is lazy is a bit harsh.

There's more variety and completely new weapons in this than in the DW6 so saying their lazier is even more so.
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Frayling0
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Regardless, we'll have some characters this week. I'm most psyched for Cao Pi atm, completely randomly lol.

And can we just quit the Free Mode rant...!? Those that have previously argued that conquest mode replaced are speaking bs to be honest. Conquest Mode is NOTHING like Free Mode, and Free Mode WILL return!
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TrevorxTravesty
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Chin...Does this mean Sima Zhao & Xiahou Dun & Cao Cao all fight the exact same way? =/

Swords moveset are all the same but different EX ATTACK based on the character but then you can change the first and secondary weapon of the character like Spear with Fan but they still will have their unique Musou and their EX attack when it's with swords weapon.

The moveset is really based on weapon category and not on the characters now I think I'm not sure about the swords mainly but the rapier and fan you can equip it on anyone and it will be that move but with different ex attack if belongs to that person's category. so there's a slight difference there. Not sire bout Cao Cao and Xiahou Dun yet as I'm on Jin now. Thanks.


So, I found out this stuff while chatting with Chin on Facebook (he has his hands on a copy of DW7). So apparently, Xiahou Dun, Sima Zhao, Cao Cao, Sun Quan, etc..Will all have the same s-strings and charge attacks, but the only difference will be their EX attacks and musous.

So that means Zhao Yun will also have the same charge attacks as Jiang Wei, Ma Chao, etc..Seriously, why is Koei being lazier each time nowadays?
Maybe because there is 60+ playable characters :whistle:

And damn him :XD ... I want to work for Koei. I might go stalk him.
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Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:37 am
Jin in DW7 is simply the Sima-Clan-led-Wei.
I see. That bit makes it much clearer to me.
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TrevorxTravesty
Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:21 am
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Chin...Does this mean Sima Zhao & Xiahou Dun & Cao Cao all fight the exact same way? =/

Swords moveset are all the same but different EX ATTACK based on the character but then you can change the first and secondary weapon of the character like Spear with Fan but they still will have their unique Musou and their EX attack when it's with swords weapon.

The moveset is really based on weapon category and not on the characters now I think I'm not sure about the swords mainly but the rapier and fan you can equip it on anyone and it will be that move but with different ex attack if belongs to that person's category. so there's a slight difference there. Not sire bout Cao Cao and Xiahou Dun yet as I'm on Jin now. Thanks.


So, I found out this stuff while chatting with Chin on Facebook (he has his hands on a copy of DW7). So apparently, Xiahou Dun, Sima Zhao, Cao Cao, Sun Quan, etc..Will all have the same s-strings and charge attacks, but the only difference will be their EX attacks and musous.

So that means Zhao Yun will also have the same charge attacks as Jiang Wei, Ma Chao, etc..Seriously, why is Koei being lazier each time nowadays?
Saw it coming but maaaaaan that sucks. Oh well, it cant be helped.

Also, hope Cao Pi is finally revealed next week. :shifty:


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Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:37 am
TrevorxTravesty
Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:21 am
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Chin...Does this mean Sima Zhao & Xiahou Dun & Cao Cao all fight the exact same way? =/

Swords moveset are all the same but different EX ATTACK based on the character but then you can change the first and secondary weapon of the character like Spear with Fan but they still will have their unique Musou and their EX attack when it's with swords weapon.

The moveset is really based on weapon category and not on the characters now I think I'm not sure about the swords mainly but the rapier and fan you can equip it on anyone and it will be that move but with different ex attack if belongs to that person's category. so there's a slight difference there. Not sire bout Cao Cao and Xiahou Dun yet as I'm on Jin now. Thanks.


So, I found out this stuff while chatting with Chin on Facebook (he has his hands on a copy of DW7). So apparently, Xiahou Dun, Sima Zhao, Cao Cao, Sun Quan, etc..Will all have the same s-strings and charge attacks, but the only difference will be their EX attacks and musous.

So that means Zhao Yun will also have the same charge attacks as Jiang Wei, Ma Chao, etc..Seriously, why is Koei being lazier each time nowadays?
Sigh, so I'm guessing that means da qiao and xiao qiao are gonna be the same person basically. =/
Depends on what they do with them.

They could easily seperate them and give them depth, for different reasons, with seperate stories, but this is Koei... we'll see xP

but MS wise, seems so ;A;
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Joetri10
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Moogle
Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:55 am
Pepsi
Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:37 am
TrevorxTravesty
Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:21 am
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Chin...Does this mean Sima Zhao & Xiahou Dun & Cao Cao all fight the exact same way? =/

Swords moveset are all the same but different EX ATTACK based on the character but then you can change the first and secondary weapon of the character like Spear with Fan but they still will have their unique Musou and their EX attack when it's with swords weapon.

The moveset is really based on weapon category and not on the characters now I think I'm not sure about the swords mainly but the rapier and fan you can equip it on anyone and it will be that move but with different ex attack if belongs to that person's category. so there's a slight difference there. Not sire bout Cao Cao and Xiahou Dun yet as I'm on Jin now. Thanks.


So, I found out this stuff while chatting with Chin on Facebook (he has his hands on a copy of DW7). So apparently, Xiahou Dun, Sima Zhao, Cao Cao, Sun Quan, etc..Will all have the same s-strings and charge attacks, but the only difference will be their EX attacks and musous.

So that means Zhao Yun will also have the same charge attacks as Jiang Wei, Ma Chao, etc..Seriously, why is Koei being lazier each time nowadays?
Sigh, so I'm guessing that means da qiao and xiao qiao are gonna be the same person basically. =/
Depends on what they do with them.

They could easily seperate them and give them depth, for different reasons, with seperate stories, but this is Koei... we'll see xP

but MS wise, seems so ;A;
Xiao Qiao should be involved in Chi Bi in my opinion... As for Da Qiao.. I dunno...

They may be sisters but they different in quite a few ways if Koei just does something with it.
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I am a bit upset characters are going to have the similar same move-sets... Although I guess the fact there's going to be 60+ characters and they've changed musou (kingdom?) mode so hopefully everyone has a role in it kind of makes up for it, I guess? :unsure: At least they get unique musous and EX attacks too.
I was so looking forward to this game and that news kind of ruined it somewhat. I'm just hoping they bring back items :facepalm:
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I figured that was going to happen considering the weapon swapping and the amounts of weapons and the modes they've panned out. I'm not surprised in the least. You guys got your charge based system back, but everyone will have the save movements except their EX attacks and musous.

Lookit the bright side, now everybody can talk about whose EX move is better~
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Wow . . .

I would like to see where this link about Free Mode being confirmed; otherwise, this is just another case of over-assuming.

Ex: 60+ characters confirmed (WHY ISN'T THERE OVER 65 CHARACTERS!!), because Koei never said it was that much.

Ex #2: One last Jin character ( THERE HAS TO BE SOMEONE AFTER XIAHOU BA!!!!), no . . . the MODS have already confirmed the Xiahou Ba is the last Jin character :hmmm:

Ex#3: There WILL BE A FREE MODE!! (EVEN IF IT HASNT BEEN MENTIONED BY MODS, WHO WOULD HAVE CONFIRMED IT BY NOW, I WILL BELIEVE IT'S THERE!!), haha, haven't we learned that we shouldn't confirm anything until we have valid proof from the MODS?

Saner is right, we need to wait til we get more information before some of us start confirming stuff and getting defensive because some of us think it won't return. <_<
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Look at it this way.... there is nowhere near as many clones as we had in 6 (remember spear users!) + we have the unique musou's and EX attacks. It's a shame, but I won't let it put a downer on things.
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Not sure why everyone's surprised. I mean, necrosis has been telling us about this clone issue from the very get go. Didn't you guys get the memo?

I don't care much for clones, but at this point I wasn't expecting Koei to make all 60+ characters completely original either, so no big loss on my part. I'm still going to enjoy the game- clones and all.
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What I don't understand is....Why does Koei have to always rush things? If they took their time, fleshed out the move sets so everyone could have their own unique s strings, musous & charge attacks, they could really make it work.

And no, don't give me that garbage about them not being able to, because they really could if they just gave the development more time. Look at stuff like Super Street Fighter IV, Tekken 6, MvC 3...Every character fights in their own unique way. Koei should take lessons from other game companies & see why they are so successful.
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Koei is successful..............in Japan where they get most of there money from and really what did you expect and Trevor Street Fighter not the best example when you have a bunch of shotos running around
Edited by Tazzikaze, Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:19 am.
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seriously if you thought that there wouldn't be clones then your pretty naive, there was bound to be some. it doesn't make the game any worse.
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How can there be free mode when it wouldn't fit with the current story mode structure?

Conquest mode might have free mode but we have to see to what extent it will allow free mode related features.

But as for story mode it's unlikely it will support free mode, otherwise during the stages where one character role switches to another character, does the player still use their desired character through the whole thing in any kingdom story?

well it's something only the full release can confirm. :XD



Yes complaining about same weapon/movesets/clones is silly. If people really have a problem with it they should just go play Ninja Gaiden.

Edited by saner, Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:19 am.
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Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:49 am
Saw it coming but maaaaaan that sucks.
This, basically.

I'd much rather have seperate S-string combos or whatever they're called this week instead of what look like glorified charge attacks. I don't go around battlefields spamming charge attacks, I go around spamming the square combos with a charge attack every now and then. My point being the combo attacks should be individual to the character, not these Ex attacks.
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It doesn't make it worse, but it does make the game a little dull, gameplay wise. They took a step forward by bringing back the charge move set, but took a few steps backwards by making everyone share the same moves sans a musou & an EX attack.

Am I still getting the game? Hell yes! But am I pleased with this outcome? No. And I don't have to be, either. I won't bow down to Koei & praise every move they make.
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TrevorxTravesty
Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:14 am
What I don't understand is....Why does Koei have to always rush things? If they took their time, fleshed out the move sets so everyone could have their own unique s strings, musous & charge attacks, they could really make it work.

And no, don't give me that garbage about them not being able to, because they really could if they just gave the development more time. Look at stuff like Super Street Fighter IV, Tekken 6, MvC 3...Every character fights in their own unique way. Koei should take lessons from other game companies & see why they are so successful.
But look at how many characters MVC3 has compared to DW6. Look at all the cuts. In fact, you can hardly compare the two games; they're nothing alike, aside from both of them having fanbases with way too high of expectations.

You knew this was coming, Trev. Anyone not expecting clones in a game with 60+ characters is a prime example of HIGH EXPECTATIONS.

On that note, I'm going to spend my Friday afternoon with my boyfriend, brother and a few friends. So, have fun wallowing.
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Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:13 am
Not sure why everyone's surprised. I mean, necrosis has been telling us about this clone issue from the very get go. Didn't you guys get the memo?

I don't care much for clones, but at this point I wasn't expecting Koei to make all 60+ characters completely original either, so no big loss on my part. I'm still going to enjoy the game- clones and all.
I'm not surprised at all.

I wonder how many people played Strikeforce, (Obviously not many), because you won't even be thinking about clones when you start constantly switching out weapons of your liking.

Plus, DLC weapons <_<
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Hmmmm those DLC weapons....seems like koei may have something planned with them. :shifty: If there are clones then maybe the DLC weapons will fix them. But I'm not to bothered by it.
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actually think about it all characters are not the same. I'm thankful at least their Musous will be different as well as their EX attacks
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Are you gonna be using musous & EX attacks every second, buddy? The majority will be spent pressing the square button to do the s-string. Yeah, great, unique EX & musous. But that's all? So Zhao Yun, Ma Chao, Jiang Wei will all be using the spear the same way? That's what everyone wants to see?

How can everyone just accept defeat so easily? Oh, wait...This is Koei Warriors.
Edited by TrevorxTravesty, Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:24 am.
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The fact that there is shared movesets (I refuse to call them clones) makes me feel a greater chance that the DLC weapons are more likely to be new categories.

The way I see it is there is no set weapons for each character, there as set of characters and set of weapons for the player to use an it's up to them how. Just each character getting bonuses with a certain class of weapon, so it doesn't matter that some characters are specialized with the same ones, they're just using the same thing.
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I'm not surprised, of course I expected it, but somewhere in the back of my mind I kind of hoped they would at least try and make them differ. Well I guess the EX attacks make them a tad different... It probably won't affect how I like the game. Currently playing DW6 as I type this and even though it was quite horrendous, I always find myself enjoying it and forgetting the clones and missing musou modes :)
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