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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
Topic Started: Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:32 am (1,039,611 Views)
Xu Yuan
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feimanchong
Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:33 am
Amakusa
Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:12 am
Joetri10
Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:39 am
Well since he found out Chin has been notified of him, he has edited his last post's saying Welp, Sigh and Ok whatever... Not something an adult would say... The kid has been proved as a fraud and a troll most likely... The Jap Voice DLC rumour is a load of rubbish... Finally
I think you're taking this vendetta you have against this guy a little too far, and while it's not against someone on this forum, I really should ask you to knock it off.
This.

A fairly trusted source gives you information and you essentially spit in their eye for absolutely no reason? Ignoring the fact that many of you are mocking others whose wit is clearly greater than yours... what purpose does enraged fanboy'ing serve?

Joetri10
 
The guy is claiming to be a employee of Koei, spreading news on forums, true or false, bashing the company for all its worth, bashing the voice actors, bashing the voice recording studios, saying stuff people seem to rely on whatever and whenever he feels like it... Chin hasn’t just put in an investigation of this guy for nothing... If he's faking, he a troll and a fraud... If he’s actually who he says he is, he is then again a fraud, a troll but then also a serious risk/sellout to Koei as he is giving out PRIVATE information and also backstabbing them by saying the insults he has.

But you're right... Let’s be nice to him?.. Why?.. Because we don’t want him to be upset now do we. So what if thousands of fans are being mislead and spreading false information, who caresss if a company loses money and control of their information distribution (and advertising i would imagine), who caaares if the people who work long and hard into game including Va's get insulted... Because in the end, its him that matters :)


This is a perfect example of what I mean. Nobody is being mislead and the chances of this information being false are slim indeed. Additionally, you seem to have this notion that opinions that clash with yours are not to be allowed. That is sort of the point of a discussion forum.

Perhaps you are the one who should keep your ill-educated opinion to themselves, hm? Because as far as I can see, this guy is offering information that (true or not) is interesting and worthy of discussion... you on the other hand? You're just making noise.
With that kind of tone you Clearly appear to be the fool who was ousted. Well, enjoy unemployment.
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Adnan
Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:43 am
Benzod
Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:41 am
Can this thread stop being so dramatic I'm fruit to get some sleep! :hmmm:

But in all seriousness, it's best to drop this until we hear more. Just let it lie for now. Lets all go back to raging about the Zhong Hui's VA, the size of Lian Shi's chest, cloning or all the other fun rant fodder.
>I think everyone who dislikes Zhong Hui's VA will get used to it within a few weeks after DW7's release
>I think Lian Shi's chest is...nice to look at, but no one will care after a while due to being desensitized by the sheer amount of boob-age most people see on the internet.

...Conversation start?
Lol and some still cant handle the fact,boobs do not defy gravity. Lol
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Can we stop personal attacks on each other. However subtle they may seem to be. What's done is done. I personally don't know much about the situation to comment on it but let's keep the discussion civil and respectful. As it always should be.
Thanks everyone. :)
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Adnan
Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:43 am
Benzod
Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:41 am
Can this thread stop being so dramatic I'm fruit to get some sleep! :hmmm:

But in all seriousness, it's best to drop this until we hear more. Just let it lie for now. Lets all go back to raging about the Zhong Hui's VA, the size of Lian Shi's chest, cloning or all the other fun rant fodder.
>I think everyone who dislikes Zhong Hui's VA will get used to it within a few weeks after DW7's release
>I think Lian Shi's chest is...nice to look at, but no one will care after a while due to being desensitized by the sheer amount of boob-age most people see on the internet.

...Conversation start?
"Xu Yuan"
 
With that kind of tone you Clearly appear to be the fool who was ousted. Well, enjoy unemployment.
So you're accusing him of being the guilty party for his being fair and balanced? :blink:

Adnan, Zhong Hui's voice alone has scared me off of sampling many of the other English VAs' clips... but the problem with Lian Shi's chest is that now we find it more funny than sexy.
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Xu Yuan
Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:52 am
feimanchong
Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:33 am
Amakusa
Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:12 am
Joetri10
Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:39 am
Well since he found out Chin has been notified of him, he has edited his last post's saying Welp, Sigh and Ok whatever... Not something an adult would say... The kid has been proved as a fraud and a troll most likely... The Jap Voice DLC rumour is a load of rubbish... Finally
I think you're taking this vendetta you have against this guy a little too far, and while it's not against someone on this forum, I really should ask you to knock it off.
This.

A fairly trusted source gives you information and you essentially spit in their eye for absolutely no reason? Ignoring the fact that many of you are mocking others whose wit is clearly greater than yours... what purpose does enraged fanboy'ing serve?

Joetri10
 
The guy is claiming to be a employee of Koei, spreading news on forums, true or false, bashing the company for all its worth, bashing the voice actors, bashing the voice recording studios, saying stuff people seem to rely on whatever and whenever he feels like it... Chin hasn’t just put in an investigation of this guy for nothing... If he's faking, he a troll and a fraud... If he’s actually who he says he is, he is then again a fraud, a troll but then also a serious risk/sellout to Koei as he is giving out PRIVATE information and also backstabbing them by saying the insults he has.

But you're right... Let’s be nice to him?.. Why?.. Because we don’t want him to be upset now do we. So what if thousands of fans are being mislead and spreading false information, who caresss if a company loses money and control of their information distribution (and advertising i would imagine), who caaares if the people who work long and hard into game including Va's get insulted... Because in the end, its him that matters :)


This is a perfect example of what I mean. Nobody is being mislead and the chances of this information being false are slim indeed. Additionally, you seem to have this notion that opinions that clash with yours are not to be allowed. That is sort of the point of a discussion forum.

Perhaps you are the one who should keep your ill-educated opinion to themselves, hm? Because as far as I can see, this guy is offering information that (true or not) is interesting and worthy of discussion... you on the other hand? You're just making noise.
With that kind of tone you Clearly appear to be the fool who was ousted. Well, enjoy unemployment.
You guys clearly missed the point anyway so i give up.


as for the information that is interesting to discuss?..

Everyone raise your hand if you can actually understand Japanese :hmmm:

You know what i find higly amusing... Everyone waits for the english voices -> we get the english voices -> we rant about the english voices -> we talk about the Va's and who they are -> we then wonder if we are getting the japanese voices.. :uh:

Im done.
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Hey I got a question....since the Wei PV will be released in a couple of days, do you guys think it will feature ALL the Wei characters or just some?

If it's only some, which ones would you guys want to see? (I kno I kinda answered my first question there... :whistle: )

For me, Cao Pi and Xiahou Dun are on the radar... :cool:

Here's hoping Cao Pi is his DW5 BAD ASS self!! :dance:
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LuBaihu
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Strangely, I actually have an easier time understanding spoken Japanese if there's at least Japanese subtitles accompanying it...

EDIT: If the Wei PV follows in the 'footsteps' of the Jin PV, we may not get Cao Pi until a later, "usual" reveal, as I believe that everyone in the Jin PV was already revealed beforehand, with both the Famitsu scans and CG portraits.
Edited by LuBaihu, Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:05 am.
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I'll be sticking with the dub because it's in my own language and because I'm not a huge japanophile.

Seriously hate how some people make such a huge mountain out of a molehill here about the voices. Only a few of them are iffy and the rest are perfectly acceptable.

If it's not DW3 dub "quality" then it's perfectly fine, stop being huge babies over nothing.
Edited by Baphomet, Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:06 am.
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So I come back here 2 days later and there's 60+ new pages. Did I miss anything?
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I'll be sticking with the dub because it's in my own language and I'm not a huge japanophile.

Seriously hate how some people make such a huge mountain out of a molehill here about the voices. Only a few of them are iffy and the rest are perfectly acceptable.

If it's not DW3 dub "quality" then it's perfectly fine, stop being huge babies over nothing.
I prefer the english voices too. Sure there are a couple duds (thankfully none of my favs) but the Japanese voices aren't without some duds as well (like Bao and Huang Zhong)
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So I come back here 2 days later and there's 60+ new pages. Did I miss anything?
Well thats.. uhh.. Hard to say all in one post.. However im not sure if you have seen this.

http://s13.zetaboards.com/koeiwarriors/single/?p=8838454&t=6756974

Hopefully you havnt seen this already anyway >.< :XD Theres alot more but that means going through all those pages :S, hopefully others kept the links someplace.. Try finding LittledragonZ's photobucket
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Baphomet
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Re Jorgh:


Exactly, I see a lot of: "BUT THE JP PERFORMANCES ARE BETTER!" nonsense when people don't even understand the friggin language at all and think reading subtitles means they "understand it" which it doesn't.

I've spoken to a good deal of bilingual people with Japanese as their native language and they've even said the performances are equally camp and cheesy in their own language and I trust them more than some people that have no idea how to understand both languages.
Edited by Baphomet, Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:12 am.
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:04 am
I'll be sticking with the dub because it's in my own language and I'm not a huge japanophile.

Seriously hate how some people make such a huge mountain out of a molehill here about the voices. Only a few of them are iffy and the rest are perfectly acceptable.

If it's not DW3 dub "quality" then it's perfectly fine, stop being huge babies over nothing.
Whilst I agree with you, I s'pose Japanophilia (sounds kinda wrong D:) is slightly warranted for this game due to it's setting (it should be Chinese, but JP is close enough for many people)

But yeah, the amount of butthurt here about it is truly astounding.

LuBaihu
 
Adnan, Zhong Hui's voice alone has scared me off of sampling many of the other English VAs' clips... but the problem with Lian Shi's chest is that now we find it more funny than sexy.


Considering the Tecmo-Koei merge, it only makes sense that she has a silly-looking chest. Regardless, I suppose Sun Quan gets the last laugh here ;D
Edited by Zillion, Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:13 am.
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LuBaihu
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As I've said before, I found the Japanese VAs a mixed bag... without bagging on the VAs ("that guy" himself actually didn't bag on the VAs by the way either, but the circumstances in which they were used)...

I'd have to say that the female characters' voice clips on the Japanese Web site, if they're representative of their overall performance in the game, seem to have a limited range of "character" and "personality" at best.
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Jorgh
Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:08 am
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:04 am
I'll be sticking with the dub because it's in my own language and I'm not a huge japanophile.

Seriously hate how some people make such a huge mountain out of a molehill here about the voices. Only a few of them are iffy and the rest are perfectly acceptable.

If it's not DW3 dub "quality" then it's perfectly fine, stop being huge babies over nothing.
I prefer the english voices too. Sure there are a couple duds (thankfully none of my favs) but the Japanese voices aren't without some duds as well (like Bao and Huang Zhong)
Outside of my irrational hatred of the misuse of Tony Oliver, the only voices I don't like are Zhong Hui, Jiang Wei and Xiahou Ba. Three characters I've already decided I hated.

So... no big loss. Just going to make killing them in their respected stories all the more enjoyable, I say.

Also, liking the option to have Japanese and English dialogue makes you a Japanophile? Oh well, I've been called worse things.
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So I come back here 2 days later and there's 60+ new pages. Did I miss anything?
Don't ask... :mellow:

And about the PV, it's expected that there will be more characters revealed this week on Wednesday, with the PV being Thursday like last week. So there's all chance that Cao Pi, Xu Huang etc. could feature. And it hopefully should show everyone in the kingdom like the Jin one did.
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in DW i got used to the english VA but in SW i am used to the jap because the english VA in SW is bad
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:04 am
I'll be sticking with the dub because it's in my own language and I'm not a huge japanophile.

Seriously hate how some people make such a huge mountain out of a molehill here about the voices. Only a few of them are iffy and the rest are perfectly acceptable.

If it's not DW3 dub "quality" then it's perfectly fine, stop being huge babies over nothing.
I prefer the english voices too. Sure there are a couple duds (thankfully none of my favs) but the Japanese voices aren't without some duds as well (like Bao and Huang Zhong)
Outside of my irrational hatred of the misuse of Tony Oliver, the only voices I don't like are Zhong Hui, Jiang Wei and Xiahou Ba. Three characters I've already decided I hated.

So... no big loss. Just going to make killing them in their respected stories all the more enjoyable, I say.

Also, liking the option to have Japanese and English dialogue makes you a Japanophile? Oh well, I've been called worse things.
He could've used a couple more painful words than japanophile and been kinda accurate on some people =P

Personally I'm actually an anti-japanophile, but I'd be willing to use the Japanese voice solely because after hearing of the voice actors, they were the intended original language of the game (and the best location for it to sell in) leading me to assume that they'll be the best quality voice actors (also given across the board, Japan does have pretty good voice actors, considering its one of the things they put a lot of effort into).

I'll have to see the game in action first, but if it keeps Xiahou Bieber shut up and make him playable for me (and God only knows how long I've waited for someone in a full armor set and greatsword to show up) I'll play in Japanese.
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Baphomet
Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:04 am
I'll be sticking with the dub because it's in my own language and I'm not a huge japanophile.

Seriously hate how some people make such a huge mountain out of a molehill here about the voices. Only a few of them are iffy and the rest are perfectly acceptable.

If it's not DW3 dub "quality" then it's perfectly fine, stop being huge babies over nothing.
I prefer the english voices too. Sure there are a couple duds (thankfully none of my favs) but the Japanese voices aren't without some duds as well (like Bao and Huang Zhong)
Outside of my irrational hatred of the misuse of Tony Oliver, the only voices I don't like are Zhong Hui, Jiang Wei and Xiahou Ba. Three characters I've already decided I hated.

So... no big loss. Just going to make killing them in their respected stories all the more enjoyable, I say.

Also, liking the option to have Japanese and English dialogue makes you a Japanophile? Oh well, I've been called worse things.
Just to respond to your last bit there. If you simply like having the option of both it's fine. Or if it's a case of just wanting to experience something in it's original language that's fine too. What irks me is the people that claim another language is superior in it's performance and ignorantly ignore everything else because of it. It's incredibly childish and sheltered behavior.

But a majority of it usually boils down to: "BAWWW ENGLISH IS AWFUL JAPANESE IS SUPERIOR!!!!" etc. etc.
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Someone posted it a good while back, but maybe KOEI could take a page from Capcom and SF4.

You could set the VAs to separate characters instead of the whole roster, so if hearing Zhong Hui's ENG VA or Bao Sanniang's JPN VA makes you want to beat them to death with a baseball bat more, you could change them accordingly.

Of course, changing their voices probably won't stop you from beating them to death regardless, but perhaps the voice change might make you beat them to death "less". :lol:
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Jorgh
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Baphomet
Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:04 am
I'll be sticking with the dub because it's in my own language and I'm not a huge japanophile.

Seriously hate how some people make such a huge mountain out of a molehill here about the voices. Only a few of them are iffy and the rest are perfectly acceptable.

If it's not DW3 dub "quality" then it's perfectly fine, stop being huge babies over nothing.
I prefer the english voices too. Sure there are a couple duds (thankfully none of my favs) but the Japanese voices aren't without some duds as well (like Bao and Huang Zhong)
Outside of my irrational hatred of the misuse of Tony Oliver, the only voices I don't like are Zhong Hui, Jiang Wei and Xiahou Ba. Three characters I've already decided I hated.

So... no big loss. Just going to make killing them in their respected stories all the more enjoyable, I say.

Also, liking the option to have Japanese and English dialogue makes you a Japanophile? Oh well, I've been called worse things.
Just to respond to your last bit there. If you simply like having the option of both it's fine. Or if it's a case of just wanting to experience something in it's original language that's fine too. What irks me is the people that claim another language is superior in it's performance and ignorantly ignore everything else because of it. It's incredibly childish and sheltered behavior.

But a majority of it usually boils down to: "BAWWW ENGLISH IS AWFUL JAPANESE IS SUPERIOR!!!!" etc. etc.
Okay, I get what you're saying now. Personally, it's really a matter of opinion when it comes to which one is better, and if someone truly thinks or feels that way, is it so hard to let him continue thinking that?

Personally, I'm all for more voice options, just for the sake of having more voice options. I'm one of those wackos that'll watch a movie in German (which I do understand, for the most part), just to hear their version.

And to be honest, I prefer Daran Norris's Lu Meng over the original Japanese... not sure why, but I feel Daran's voice worked better with him. There are a few of the English voices I prefer over the original Japanese (Sun Quan WAS one of them, until they changed him. Disappointed, but not really enough to ruin the game for me).

I'd just like the option of both to be available. That way, those that want to understand it in their own language can get what they want, as well as those who want to hear it in it's original Japanese glory. It wouldn't hurt to have both options available.
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:11 am
I've spoken to a good deal of bilingual people with Japanese as their native language and they've even said the performances are equally camp and cheesy in their own language and I trust them more than some people that have no idea how to understand both languages.
Funny thing is, "that guy" actually DID say what you said that the Japanese-native bilinguals you've spoken to told you... albeit more negatively, but the basic idea was the same -- for better or for worse, the dialogue translations are accurate (when they're not typos of course). If you don't like them (or at least the text subtitles for them) in English, you're definitely not going to like them in Japanese!

Of course, considering that the games pretty much DO run on campy-semi-seriousness...

By the way, I would like that "individual VA selection" option, if it wouldn't take up too much disc space... though I'm sure it must be incredibly disconcerting for some people, since you're hearing way more dialogue than you would in a SF game (where it's mainly going to be words-accompanying-a-special-attack and... well, noise).
Edited by LuBaihu, Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:27 am.
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(Zhong Hui, Jiang Wei and Xiahou Ba)
why those 3,,? and i think they have a connection,, :mellow:

please tell me that i'm being delusional for thinking that koei is trying to make those 3 not smart enough, too young and irresponsible for the plot of the fall of Shu when Shan is being a bit,, smarter? :unsure:
i'm not trying to say anything ,, i'm just telling my thoughts, ^_^
god, i hope i am wrong,,
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I suppose I will just sneak in on here and post my first post right here. Probably not the best spot considering i have zero credibility to any opinion or view I have here, but what the hell.

Anyways, been playing Dynasty Warriors since #2, DW3 would be my favorite. Just loved the maps, music, item/weapon collecting and Ma Chao's design the most in that one. Will admit going back and playing it though, it is probably vastly inferior nowadays.

Overall, I would say I'm not too worried about Dynasty Warriors 7. There are a few things they seem to be doing from older iterations that previously bugged me, but they are pulling it off in a much better way that I'm either excited for or content with.

Kingdom Mode for example. That mode was horrendous in Dynasty Warriors 4, everyone playing through the same exact stages over and over for their Musou Mode really ruined that game for me. DW7, I am very much welcoming it. Gives you a chance to experience everyone without having to complain about playing through the same stages with the same people over and over. Hate a certain character? Play them once and be done with it, no worries.

Cloning. I freaked out like many of you the second I saw the post basically confirming it on here. Then i thought about it so more and realized, the cloning itself isn't the issue. Everyone hated it in 6. Why? Because the characters cloned had no Musou mode, basically making them seem useless. Not to mention this time we do get different Musou's and EX Attacks and maybe only half of the cast or so will be slight clones of one another. Because of this fact, I am also appreciating the whole 2 weapon thing that I previously thought was useless. Totally rocking a bow with SSX (only thing i loved about 6, bow was OP)

Free Mode. Conquest Mode sounds to me like Free Mode except with an objective to it, so I am all for it.

Voices. I think it has always just been an accepted fact, the english dub is bad, but it never really mattered. Everyone seems to be hoping for more dramatic interaction this time around, so I'm kinda hoping for Japanese Voice DLC. I really don't want the dub (and i laugh at most of the voices) ruining what might be better storytelling this time around.

I think that covers the big worries I have been reading about. Other than that, loving the character designs, Jia Xu is awesome and extremely excited the story is now covering the entire era. Gan Ning reveal soon please!

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By the way, to contribute to the discussion... I don't know whether this extends beyond the Call of Duty fandom in Japan, but the COD fans there share some of our "wanting it in its original language." ;) There was some backlash at Square Enix (the Japanese publisher for MW2) for only doing a dub into Japanese, and this time around Black Ops had both a Japanese-subtitled release... and a separate version that instead had a Japanese dub, as two separate discs I think. <_<

Interestingly enough, the Japanese version of Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood had not only Japanese but also English and Italian voice options. Very cool if you ask me...
Edited by LuBaihu, Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:32 am.
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