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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
Topic Started: Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:32 am (1,040,042 Views)
Reverie
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Moogle
Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:31 pm
faichaim0nd
Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:28 pm
Reverie
Sun Jan 16, 2011 7:48 pm
Google translate sure is funny, Da Qiaos name translates into Big Joe.
The particular 'Qiao' in Chinese is often used to refer to the English name 'Joe'.

ohoho, wow
I can now be called Qiao :'D

but yeah, Da Qiao simply means "Big Qiao" or "Elder Qiao"
What are the odds ha ha.
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jsully16
Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:26 pm
Blossom you have to understand that while YOU are a woman and enjoy playing as female characters, there are plenty of people who are fans of the 3k timeline and when we see female characters irrelevant to the series taking a finite amount of space out of the game for better generals (Zhu Ran, Cheng Pu, Lu Kang, tell me if you know them) it pisses us off. So who's at fault. You for supporting female adds instead of generals, or us for berating female adds in favor of generals?
Its amazing how selfish you are seeing as how you have a good few of your wanted characters in already. A woman add does not take the place of a male general but another potential female add. If koei wanted to add the generals that alot of people think are worthy than it would have been done. And if you must know you are at fault to me for making it seem like a woman is nothing. ^_^
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Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:32 pm
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Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:21 pm
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Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:02 pm
If Pang De returns I hope too see a redone character. I didn't like his character in DW5, and the slow moveset, hope he turns more 'lighter' in DW7
If you ask me, that may be why he might not be the populer choice amongst those that decide. While Pang De did worthy things as far as history and the novel are concerned, his gameplay and character fell short. I am just saying that if I were developing this game and Pang De was a character, I would weigh the opinion of players such as yourself just as heavily as any outside 'worth'.
I did quite like Pang De and would be quite disappointed
to see him not return. I don't think his slow moveset is enough of a reason for him to be cut, just look at Dian Wei and look at how popular he is despite having always been quite slow movement wise.
Of course his movesets are absolutely not a reason for his deletion. In fact, there is nothing that can make he be deleted. He would have a role to play at Fan Castle. Moreover, he should interact with Ma Chao and Ma Dai. Honestly, if KOEI decides to delete it, I'll be curious to know why.
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Dynasty Warriors is FAR from historically accurate and is a VIDEO GAME what's wrong with giving the women the attention they were deemed "unworthy" of back then? Seriously.
Calling female adds "useless" is old, annoying and rude. Almost as rude as undermining a person's opinion on the matter because they are also a woman.

Sheesh.. Some of you on these forums are just completely ridiculous and really need to learn some tact and respect. Opinions are cool and all, but when you get insulting and bigoted; you need to take a damn break.

Female characters are and will continue to be added to the DW franchise, don't like it? Too bad. Get over it.
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Benzod
Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:32 pm
Sun Bin
Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:21 pm
CloudJJ
Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:02 pm
If Pang De returns I hope too see a redone character. I didn't like his character in DW5, and the slow moveset, hope he turns more 'lighter' in DW7
If you ask me, that may be why he might not be the populer choice amongst those that decide. While Pang De did worthy things as far as history and the novel are concerned, his gameplay and character fell short. I am just saying that if I were developing this game and Pang De was a character, I would weigh the opinion of players such as yourself just as heavily as any outside 'worth'.
I did quite like Pang De and would be quite disappointed
to see him not return. I don't think his slow moveset is enough of a reason for him to be cut, just look at Dian Wei and look at how popular he is despite having always been quite slow movement wise.
Dian Wei and Pang De despite being slow are 2 of my 3 favourite Wei characters Dian 1st Xu Huang 2nd and Pang 3rd, asking as they're not stupidly slow like Xu Zhu I couldn't care :D
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Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:23 pm
The Qiaos are two of the most well known and iconiq females of Chinese history... They also (indirectly, I suppose) pretty much caused Chi Bi, one of the largest battles of 3K, a massive turning point. I think the Qiaos are often overlooked because of how koei has depicted them
Within the context of novel, them being the reason Cao Cao invaded the south and having no further involvement would put them at the level of say Hua Xiong -- no matter the significance, a one event character (not sure if that's correct grammar), and bland and boring. Going beyond that, they do have a slight edge over Xiong for being females, having more relations, and then having the potential to bring more diversity in the roster.

I'm not a fan of their inclusion or rather their personalities like you said, but I do have high hopes for Da Qiao. Xiao Qiao, not so much, but since they'll both be in I can only hope.

I hope the rumor list isn't true. Xiahou Ba, Jia Xu, and Liu Shan are all pretty easy characters to guess, but (I think ThreeKingdomsWarrior said it before) if Guan Suo is revealed, Lady Bu still has a chance to not be in. If Lady Bu is revealed, then Guan Suo sure as hell will be.

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Calling female adds "useless" is old, annoying and rude.
But in many people's eyes, most female adds are? There's not much depth that characters like Xiao Qiao have added to the game thus far. And I'm sure that many of those who call female adds useless are just as big fans of Lady Wu as the next one.
Edited by Bamboo, Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:43 pm.
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I think every character was a bit slow if you equipped them with a 'heavy' weapon in DW5, no? So the slowness should have nothing to do with Pang De not being included in the game, if he is indeed cut.

Koei has their reasons, and they also tend to listen to their Japanese fans more than anything.
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I think the fact that he is slow if he is added is not a problem. After all, this is not the only one. There are many other characters in the game slow, I have no doubt.

Also, if this character is appreciated but that his movesets are not necessarily by its slowness, it is always possible to equip him with other weapons with faster movesets. Thus, the problem would be solved.
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personally i found Pang De fun to use his moveset and musou was cool - he had medium speed in attacking (depending on weight but generally a medium speed) his run speed was very slow however but that didn't bother me ^_^ was a good addition for the game i think and would be awesome if he returned in dw7
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Sagittarius
Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:35 pm
Dynasty Warriors is FAR from historically accurate and is a VIDEO GAME what's wrong with giving the women the attention they were deemed "unworthy" of back then? Seriously.
Calling female adds "useless" is old, annoying and rude. Almost as rude as undermining a person's opinion on the matter because they are also a woman.
:huh: That is what I would like to see but I don't think they do them enough justice. The fact that it isn't historically accurate I think is almost what makes it worse to some of those complaining about the whole 'just there to be a wife' factor because adding them in is fictional enough they might as well throw in somethinga bit more glorifying and add them into the story or battles and history rather that just to be someone to pair characters up with. I personally have yet to come across and female who's actual moveset and design I could say I hated or didn't enjoy. It's the use of them being nothing more than pairing fodder that gets to people more so.


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personally i found Pang De fun to use his moveset and musou was cool - he had medium speed in attacking (depending on weight but generally a medium speed) his run speed was very slow however but that didn't bother me ^_^ was a good addition for the game i think and would be awesome if he returned in dw7
I kind of agree. He may have not been the fastest but I thought overall he was pretty fun. I always kind of found Zhang Liao's 6 system reminding me a lot of it to, which I also enjoyed. It would be interesting if he did get added to see how he turned out.
Edited by Sun Ce, Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:00 pm.
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I had no idea Pang De was so popular until all these rumors started swirling around. I'd like to see him back, but that's because as players, I think we feel very personally cheated when something is taken away from us in the next installment of a game, so it probably has more to do with a perceived sense of deprivation than anything else.

As long as he doesn't get another "pretty-boy" makeover. No offense to the ones in DW that already are, there are quite enough.
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Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:52 pm
I had no idea Pang De was so popular until all these rumors started swirling around. I'd like to see him back, but that's because as players, I think we feel very personally cheated when something is taken away from us in the next installment of a game, so it probably has more to do with a perceived sense of deprivation than anything else.

As long as he doesn't get another "pretty-boy" makeover. No offense to the ones in DW that already are, there are quite enough.
I too, thought before that Pang De had very few fans...

But trust me, Pang De has his nice own amount of loyal and dedicated fans. I mean, if you look back whatever number of pages back when Seraphil posted that 2ch rumor there was a lot of people complaining and disappointed due to the rumor claiming Pang De would still be cut (amongst a few other reasons too...).

Edited by Yawnier, Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:03 pm.
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Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:52 pm
As long as he doesn't get another "pretty-boy" makeover. No offense to the ones in DW that already are, there are quite enough.
Pang De as a pretty-boy? You've got to be joking! He's a burly man, so I highly doubt that Pang De will ever be a pretty-boy. That wouldn't make sense whatsoever.
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Pang De in pretty-boy would commit a murder, never gonna happen. :sly:
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It seems like, to me anyways, that people are going to whine and moan aver the females being in this game regardless. Either people dont like them because they "follow" thier husbands around, or thier are gonna complain because "that woman wasnt even supposed to be in that battle!" "Why'd they put her in that battle when so and so was ACTUALY there and they could have just made him playable instead!" So in my mind KOEI is kinda damned if they do and damned if they dont regarding females...

I personally like the diversity added to the game, And it doesn't bother me when the women say they are fighting for their husband all the time, because its the same as Ma Chao who is one of my favorites always talking about justice and fighting for justice and whotnot... I mean half of the characters have one certain thing that they are always going on about anyways... Justice, honor, power, unity, chaos, family,and yes the wives have thier husbands... But whatever people are going to like what they like and cry about what they dont, its kinda human nature.
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Sagittarius
Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:35 pm
Dynasty Warriors is FAR from historically accurate and is a VIDEO GAME what's wrong with giving the women the attention they were deemed "unworthy" of back then? Seriously. Calling female adds "useless" is old, annoying and rude. Almost as rude as undermining a person's opinion on the matter because they are also a woman. Sheesh.. Some of you on these forums are just completely ridiculous and really need to learn some tact and respect. Opinions are cool and all, but when you get insulting and bigoted; you need to take a damn break. Female characters are and will continue to be added to the DW franchise, don't like it? Too bad. Get over it.
Actually, a lot of things in DW are pretty historically accurate. Most of the battles are accurate, depending on who you play.

The fact that annoys me, friend, is not that women are being added. The fact that annoys me is that insignificant women get added in place of significant ones, just to make them: "Oh, Lord X, I lurvs ye"

Most of us, or at least me, aren't calling females adds useless. We do point other best adds, if I recall correctly.

Also, why do I have to learn tact and respect when one of the characters I fanboy over is blatantly disrespected, even though he did a lot both in History and in the novel?

Why am I forced to see important characters, such as Zhao Yun, Dong Zhuo, Liu Bei and even Cao Cao being blatantly disrepected, for mere idiocies, and I cannot disrespect unimportant historical/fictional characters such as the Qiaos and Bao Sanniang?

Concluding, damn it, KOEI can add 20,30,40 females, but at least add some with historical significance and do them right.

Really, if you want people to be oppinionless, apply for JMship here and start warning those who don't like the females

The question is that historical fans won't be impressed by kind submissive personas. This if the guy really likes history

So, before you people complain that the females are getting massacred, see that you're massacrating other's opinions when you try to prohibit them from expressing their opinions

/end of rant

And this is valid for all of those who seemingly forget the basic principles of Democracy.
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I really hope that rare horse are easy to unlock, and that you don't have to do some impossible time glich to unlock them.
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Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:34 pm
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Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:26 pm
Blossom you have to understand that while YOU are a woman and enjoy playing as female characters, there are plenty of people who are fans of the 3k timeline and when we see female characters irrelevant to the series taking a finite amount of space out of the game for better generals (Zhu Ran, Cheng Pu, Lu Kang, tell me if you know them) it pisses us off. So who's at fault. You for supporting female adds instead of generals, or us for berating female adds in favor of generals?
Its amazing how selfish you are seeing as how you have a good few of your wanted characters in already. A woman add does not take the place of a male general but another potential female add. If koei wanted to add the generals that alot of people think are worthy than it would have been done. And if you must know you are at fault to me for making it seem like a woman is nothing. ^_^
Well in that time, they weren't. None of them had any historical importance, except Diao Chan in the novel. Historically, even she did nothing important to the story.

I mean, SSX sort of kept relations with Shu good for a short time but then that failed, and Xiao Qiao being married to Zhou Yu made him get pissed off at Zhuge Liang sooner than he would have otherwise, but honestly, Kongming was an ass and would have pissed off Zhou Yu regardless (for those who don't know, I'm talking about before Chi Bi, part of his ruse was pretending to want to surrender, and he said Zhou Yu should give Cao Cao the Qiao's as a part of their surrender, stating "he didn't know they were married"

As for being selfish, sure. I think we all are in terms of what we want in our games. I don't mind the female roster as is but if I'm putting my own money into the game, hell yeah I want what I want in it and not what some random kids do on an online forum. Am I at fault for saying that? Not at all. It's my money, I'll want what I want, and damned be anyone to say anything against me for that.
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@legendary guardian considering that the 4th weapons are meant to be unlocked in Chronicle mode, i'd assume that the horses will be unlocked there as well, whether they are going to be easy remains to be seen ;)
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Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:11 pm
As for being selfish, sure. I think we all are in terms of what we want in our games. I don't mind the female roster as is but if I'm putting my own money into the game, hell yeah I want what I want in it and not what some random kids do on an online forum. Am I at fault for saying that? Not at all. It's my money, I'll want what I want, and damned be anyone to say anything against me for that.
This is basically what it all boils down to. And if you can't read an opinion that you disagree with without ranting and raving about it then ignore the user(s) and carry on your life.
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Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:26 pm
Blossom you have to understand that while YOU are a woman and enjoy playing as female characters, there are plenty of people who are fans of the 3k timeline and when we see female characters irrelevant to the series taking a finite amount of space out of the game for better generals (Zhu Ran, Cheng Pu, Lu Kang, tell me if you know them) it pisses us off. So who's at fault. You for supporting female adds instead of generals, or us for berating female adds in favor of generals?
Its amazing how selfish you are seeing as how you have a good few of your wanted characters in already. A woman add does not take the place of a male general but another potential female add. If koei wanted to add the generals that alot of people think are worthy than it would have been done. And if you must know you are at fault to me for making it seem like a woman is nothing. ^_^

As for being selfish, sure. I think we all are in terms of what we want in our games. I don't mind the female roster as is but if I'm putting my own money into the game, hell yeah I want what I want in it and not what some random kids do on an online forum. Am I at fault for saying that? Not at all. It's my money, I'll want what I want, and damned be anyone to say anything against me for that.
You want what you want, but so do thousands of other fans, and Koei can't always please all of us, so they do what they can. They don't make 'Trevor's Dynasty Warriors 7' to cater specifically to what I want the game to be.

If every game company did that, games wouldn't even be completed due to long lists of wants & features & specifications.

Not trying to be contradictory or anything, but it is what it is. Dynasty Warriors 7 is pretty much already finalized.
Edited by TrevorxTravesty, Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:18 pm.
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We all have our own desires in a video game, for sure. It is quite normal to want to hope for what we want personally. That said, we must not forget that you can not please everyone. They try to find a balance so that it appeals to a good majority of people, I think.
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Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:14 pm
Besides, at the time i'm in my 5th "play-through" by SB:SH. This time it's Kanbe Kuroda. And he's sooooooo slow.
Oddly enough he's much faster than most DW and SW characters. :sly: Especially so when you know how to use him, he becomes one of the best characters play-wise. /irrelevant

Anyway, I think it can be unfair to say that all eventual female adds will be useless, but I can see where Jsully is coming from. :mellow: I definitely don't think it's unfair to say that the current cast of females (pre DW7) is useless, given the fact that all except Zhu Rong were tag-along housewives who do nothing but talk about their husbands, and Zhu Rong was deemed unworthy of PC status by lots of history fans given her small role in the novel. So thats understandable.

For me to like SSX more again, she needs to learn the valuable lesson of bros over hoes, ditch Liu Bei and help Quan out like a good sister, K?
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Female talks? Here we go again.

I don't mind females in theory. Most of them did zilch in history but I understand that they bring in an audience, diversify the game a bit, and add luscious, voluptuous satin-skinned canyons of glorious breast a dignified female touch.

My qualms are: 1) They don't do a damn thing. At least IMPLEMENT them in some way other than following their husband around. I liked the Qiao girls assaulting the twin forts at Shi Ting in DW3, but they've done crap since then. KOEI really shows their own shallowness when they just compile random girly crap and toss it in the game without even considering that the girl needs some character other than being a girl (for most cases, not all).

2) KOEI makes stupid picks. There are very good choices for females. BS, Xing Cai, Cai Wenji, and Sun Quan's wife are however NOT good choices IMO.
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Female talks? Here we go again. I don't mind females in theory. Most of them did zilch in history but I understand that they bring in an audience, diversify the game a bit, and add luscious, voluptuous satin-skinned canyons of glorious breast a dignified female touch. My qualms are: 1) They don't do a damn thing. At least IMPLEMENT them in some way other than following their husband around. I liked the Qiao girls assaulting the twin forts at Shi Ting in DW3, but they've done crap since then. KOEI really shows their own shallowness when they just compile random girly crap and toss it in the game without even considering that the girl needs some character other than being a girl (for most cases, not all). 2) KOEI makes stupid picks. There are very good choices for females. BS, Xing Cai, Cai Wenji, and Sun Quan's wife are however NOT good choices IMO.
In a nutshell, they try to make the game seem less savage.

Anyway, there are 3 ok females in the cast: Wang Yuanji, Yue Ying and Zhen Ji. Three different personas. Plain and simple.
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