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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
Topic Started: Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:32 am (1,039,594 Views)
Paragon of Light
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Glad finally sees Guan Yu for the fraud he is. He was a great warrior but as a tactician and stratigest and politician, he failed miserably. Continued a seige that shouldn't of gone on blah blah blah.

Still with how shu biased koei is, i doubt they will show any fault with guan yu.
Edited by Paragon of Light, Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:51 am.
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Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:47 am
Baphomet
Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:45 am
Crazypete
Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:26 am
what i still don't understand is why did Shu get whopping 4 new characters while poor Wei only got 1 and Wu got 2? man could Koei at least have given us Cao Hong?
Koei is Shu biased, I though everyone knew this? It's not exactly a close guarded secret.
This doesn't make it anymore unjustified. I know they really adhere to the books vision of events but its a little crazy how biased they are.Im not attacking you just saying that just because its expected doesn't make it anymore warrented.
Naw I agree, I'm a straight up Wei fan myself. Shu are the "villains" IMHO what with the highest count of executing their own guys and all. You can scream virtue and justice all you want but what you do in the shadows doesn't change the fact that you're going about things in a pretty questionable way.
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On the topic of Shu getting more characters.

I think it actually makes alot of sense that they gave Shu 4 new characters, Wu 2 and Wei only 1.

Blasphemous, Why?

Wei actually really just got about 5-8 new generals in the form of the jin faction, it would be incredibly odd if at least Deng Ai, Guo Huai, Zhong Hui, Xiahou Ba, and Zhuge Dan were not in later wei battles for the northern campaigns. Plus Sima Yi is also likely to be in a bunch of the wei battles.

Wu already had the most warriors by far, I think they were even up by a count of 2 on Shu, and with 2 additional characters, that pulls their numbers to even with Shu.

So really I think you shouldn't be complaining about wei "not getting any characters" in this light they really got the most.
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WhiteHorseRide
Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:49 am
Crazypete
Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:47 am
that's so stupid considering Shu is the first kingdom to go and the weakest kingdom in all of the Three Kingdoms-_-
Weakest in resources, best overall in top quality generals.

Only Wei can come close in quality, but in the end they had quantity too.

you're absolutely right man. I just feel bad those powerful generals were under such a weak leader who Koei even have the guts to put in DW7 <_< . I can't wait to see how his ending is. However, quality doesn't matter if you're leader is weak willed unfortunately -_-
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Baphomet
Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:48 am
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Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:45 am
Baphomet
Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:40 am
Simihe
Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:19 am
My DW7 was ruined not by the weapons, or movesets or what they did to Xiao Qiao...but the fact that Vic Morig---whatever his name is is playing the voice of four characters...He ruins my animes and now he's ruining my games :/
He's only playing two characters, Jia Xu, and Xiahou Ba, Jia Xu I couldn't even tell it was him at first.
No. He's also Jiang Wei and Zhong Hui :/
Zhong Hui is Quinton Flynn actually. Jiang Wei is definitely not Vic either, not sure but he sounds absolutely nothing like him.
Wait. Zhong Hui... is Quinton Flynn?

That makes sense.

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Of all the voices that guy has, they asked him to use THAT one? Ughhhhh. Wasted talent.
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Baphomet
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my eyes! X_X

Anyway I still think it's bogus that Wei gets so short changed, I don't consider the Jin=Wei additions valid at all. They're only playable in the Jin forces.

I'm still further burned that Wei doesn't have the last 2 of the "Wei's Five Generals" Yu Jin and Yue Jin.
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Crazypete
Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:26 am
what i still don't understand is why did Shu get whopping 4 new characters while poor Wei only got 1 and Wu got 2? man could Koei at least have given us Cao Hong?
Because its Shu, aka, Kingdom of gods. Koei loves Shu, ROTK loves Shu, Zhuge Liang is an omnipotent godsend, Liu Bei is the messiah, and Liu Shan is a football.
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WhiteHorseRide
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I don't really see the Shu bias that you guys do.

Other Zhao Yun being the poster boy, I'd say Koei uses Wu more to advertise their games.

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I agree 100% with Baphomet. Yu Jin and Yue Jin need to be in this game so Wei can complete their five tiger generals as well. I'm just thinking how some idiots in America would say if they added both of them seeing they know nothing about Chinese history...yea i'm talking to you G4
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Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:48 am
Guan Suo is one of the most well-known characters from ROTK period (along with Zhu Rong and others). He`s kinda remind me other fictional person - Sarutobe Sasuke from Japanese Sengoku Dzidai period, but if second will be added to new SW game... I don`t think that will be many against of him. Not so many ninjas are historical, most part of them was fictional. Though I don`t like fictional characters anyway. Hope that someday Kunoichi will be closer to someone from history like Akihime or Chiyome.
The main difference is that Sasuke is always portrayed as a badass, a stalwart ninja, something impressive, etc etc. Guan Suo's.....never portayed as some great super hero. He's always some loverboy with Meng Huo's daughter or BaoWhatsferface. He's hardly anything in his few mentions in the versions of ROT3K he is in.

Sasuke's a pop culture badass, but Guan Suo is more of a pop culture Casanova. :whistle:
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Xalfrea
Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:59 am
Crazypete
Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:26 am
what i still don't understand is why did Shu get whopping 4 new characters while poor Wei only got 1 and Wu got 2? man could Koei at least have given us Cao Hong?
Because its Shu, aka, Kingdom of gods. Koei loves Shu, ROTK loves Shu, Zhuge Liang is an omnipotent godsend, Liu Bei is the messiah, and Liu Shan is a football.
YOu forgot in how the five tiger generals are infalliable in battle and can only get beaten by fukes and betrayal. But yea thats the general protaryal of shu.
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WhiteHorseRide
Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:01 am
I don't really see the Shu bias that you guys do.

Other Zhao Yun being the poster boy, I'd say Koei uses Wu more to advertise their games.

Actually, I think Wu is more of a fan favorite, and because of that, Koei utilizes that in advertising. At least as far as fanart, cosplays and fan fiction goes, I always see a lot more Wu related works than I do with any other kingdom.

At least with my observation, anyway. Tis a strange thing.

*mind is blown about Quinton Flynn*
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Crazypete
Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:26 am
what i still don't understand is why did Shu get whopping 4 new characters while poor Wei only got 1 and Wu got 2? man could Koei at least have given us Cao Hong?
lol wei got 2 new characters Jia Xu and Cai Wen Ji but i personally wanted cao rui since shu gets 4 new characters for no reason and guan suo is not even important..cao hong is even more important then guan suo
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Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:05 am
Crazypete
Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:26 am
what i still don't understand is why did Shu get whopping 4 new characters while poor Wei only got 1 and Wu got 2? man could Koei at least have given us Cao Hong?
lol wei got 2 new characters Jia Xu and Cai Wen Ji but i personally wanted cao rui since shu gets 4 new characters for no reason and guan suo is not even important..cao hong is even more important then guan suo
technically Cai Wen Ji isn't a new character because she was added in SF2 lol. :D
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ChibiGingi
Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:04 am
WhiteHorseRide
Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:01 am
I don't really see the Shu bias that you guys do.

Other Zhao Yun being the poster boy, I'd say Koei uses Wu more to advertise their games.

Actually, I think Wu is more of a fan favorite, and because of that, Koei utilizes that in advertising. At least as far as fanart, cosplays and fan fiction goes, I always see a lot more Wu related works than I do with any other kingdom.

At least with my observation, anyway. Tis a strange thing.

*mind is blown about Quinton Flynn*
It's not strange to me.

Wu is clearly the most anime friendly kingdom.
Edited by WhiteHorseRide, Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:07 am.
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Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:04 am
*mind is blown about Quinton Flynn*
Stinks that people hate his voice, because he does a REALLY good job as Axel in Kingdom Hearts.

I blame the voice director. Once again. :meantongue:
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guan suo isn't much of anything. He is mentioned maybe for a page or 2 in the novel and the disappears. he is never really glorified the way most major figure of the era are. I'm being honest when I say I can't think of a much worse add than him. Its actually challenging to think of a ROTK figure worse, thats really scary to think about since he is the final dw7 shu guy :kurokan: .
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Xalfrea
Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:07 am
ChibiGingi
Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:04 am
*mind is blown about Quinton Flynn*
Stinks that people hate his voice, because he does a REALLY good job as Axel in Kingdom Hearts.

I blame the voice director. Once again. :meantongue:
No, I completely agree with you. Quinton is talented, has a lot of emotion and a pretty good range of voices he could have used. And yet, who the hell told him to sound like THAT?

As I said. Wasted talent. A good voice director wouldn't have done that.
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they add Guan Suo but they can't add Pang De who was actually real-_-
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Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:07 am
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Crazypete
Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:26 am
what i still don't understand is why did Shu get whopping 4 new characters while poor Wei only got 1 and Wu got 2? man could Koei at least have given us Cao Hong?
lol wei got 2 new characters Jia Xu and Cai Wen Ji but i personally wanted cao rui since shu gets 4 new characters for no reason and guan suo is not even important..cao hong is even more important then guan suo
technically Cai Wen Ji isn't a new character because she was added in SF2 lol. :D
lol hmm yea true you can say that...but if you look at it compare the
13 wei warriors to the
soon to be 17 shu warriors
the 16 wu warriors
9 jin warriors 5 of them late wei warriors

wei demolished wu very easily

shu was a tougher fight for wei but in the end wei still ruled all intill jin came -_-
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Yeah, Guan Suo sucks.

No ifs ands or buts.

Those that don't mind fictional adds, well, I say that you could just as easily play hack n slashes that aren't [loosely] based on history. If you are more into characters for aesthetic appeals, then they could easily use those awesome designs on actual historical people, in that way, everyone wins.


And Let's be real. Characters are little more than skins this time around. We can see from pics that guys like Ma Chao and Zhao Yun share strings. What's so difficult about having Pang De in this game and having the same base moveset as Zhang Liao? Easy to do.
Edited by WhiteHorseRide, Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:13 am.
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wasn't Wu the last kingdom to go? Anyway all we need now is Guan Xing and we have all of Guan Yu's sons in DW lol.

edit: if they want to add ficitional characters might as well add Zhou Cang as well no?
Edited by Crazypete, Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:14 am.
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Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:12 am
wasn't Wu the last kingdom to go? Anyway all we need now is Guan Xing and we have all of Guan Yu's sons in DW lol.

edit: if they want to add ficitional characters might as well add Zhou Cang as well nO?
Yeah Wu is the last Kingdom to go, but they seemed to really suffer the worst fate, as a lot of the post-Sun Quan years was epitomized by lousy leaders, backstabbing, betrayal, and all culminating in despot of a ruler. Sun Hao can give Dong Zhuo a run for his money.
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Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:11 am
Yeah, Guan Suo sucks.

No ifs ands or buts.

Those that don't mind fictional adds, well, I say that you could just as easily play hack n slashes that aren't [loosely] based on history. If you are more into characters for aesthetic appeals, then they could easily use those awesome designs on actual historical people, in that way, everyone wins.


And Let's be real. Characters are little more than skins this time around. We can see from pics that guys like Ma Chao and Zhao Yun share strings. What's so difficult about having Pang De in this game and having the same base moveset as Zhang Liao? Easy to do.
lol agree 98% with you but remember zhang liao is known to be the second best dynasty warrior behind lu bu so hes a unique character
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Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:27 am
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Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:01 pm
I hope the musou attacks aren't as 'samey' as they look like. They all look like the character just throwing up a huge explosion.... like everyone's musou attack is Pang Tong's C6 whirlwind from DW3-5. Zhong Hui's is a little different I suppose, but I hope they didn't lame-ify the musou attacks in order to give everyone two.
Bringing this up again, since people seem to be throwing around the same old clone/moveset/free mode issues again. Anyone else notice how bland Sima Shi's, Zhuge Dan's, Sima Zhao's, Xiahou Ba's, and Wang Yuanji's (her jumping one, that is) musou attacks are?
That is not really a problem for me. What I really worry about right now is that if we have a same musou feature as before.
I mean all the musou we have seen so far were relatively short. They all took about a few seconds or so. What if they dont bring that kind of extended musou back. (when you level up or something like that)
And it probably what it would be considered that the health bar was so long compared to the musou bar.
So what we have would be one or two short musou attacks. No more 10 second infinite musou item.
If that happen then the whole point of Gan Ning's running musou gonna be lame. It lead to no need for his Dao back, then lead to dual Dagger :kurokan:
Man, Im just spamming here.
Well, that's kinda what I'm saying. Most of the musou attacks just seem to be (variations of) a singular explosion
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