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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
Topic Started: Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:32 am (1,039,592 Views)
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Crazypete
Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:33 am
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Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:20 am
From a logical standpoint there would absolutely be no reason to cut Pang De.

Since there are so many reasons as to why he CAN have worked in the game, the only answer left is: the Japanese fanbase or at least most of it, hates his guts.

Obviously Koei wouldn't care about any other nationality of fanbase.
All I can say is that Tong Gate and Fan Castle or going to be very weird again with him absent.
I wholeheartedly agree. Who's going to protect Fan Castle now? Xu Huang? i'm sry but in DW6 with Pang De's absence Fan Castle was very weird for me. Now i can only imagine how it's going to be in DW7. I think the reason why people hated him was because he was slow. However, he was a tank when he attacked :OMG:
So I guess then that Xu Huang's going to be carrying the coffin out to the field?
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From a logical standpoint there would absolutely be no reason to cut Pang De.

Since there are so many reasons as to why he CAN have worked in the game, the only answer left is: the Japanese fanbase or at least most of it, hates his guts.

Obviously Koei wouldn't care about any other nationality of fanbase.
All I can say is that Tong Gate and Fan Castle or going to be very weird again with him absent.
that is true :O pang de was a huge force during the battles of tong gate and fan castle..koei is tripping..they add ding feng and guan suo for what reasons again?
Hey, don't be trash talking Ding Feng, buddy. He killed Zhang Liao and he likes poetry. Epic general right there!
Ding feng killed zhang liao with a arrow not face to face kombat enough said! sun jian got killed with an arrow..who else got killed by an arrow?
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Mother F'in Xu Huang got killed by an arrow.

The most consistently awesome general across all three kingdoms.

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I understand that Wei have not 13 characters, Deng Ai, Sima Yi and Xiahou Ba could be also participate in Wei`s story. But I want at least two more characters, Pang De and Li Dian. Although Yu Jin could be awesome addition, but somehow I like Li Dian a little more.
I really doubt Jin characters would be playable in the Wei story, even if they're present. So it's most likely 13, unless I missed someone.

(No kingdom bias here :( )
It`s really sucks. :facepalm: Oh Koei... yeah I forgot that playable only 13 character that IS REALY SMALL NUMBER compare to Wu and Shu. Most of the time I`m on Shu side, it`s not becase I like them or share their values... No it`s caz my fav. character in Shu (Ma Chao) Sometimes I want that he belongs to We... <_< Though Wei have plenty of talented characters when Shu... in the black hole comparing them with such parameter. Moreover I hate Oaks brothers and too smart guy - Kongming. Thanks Koei for Awesome Jia Xu, now I like Shu even less.
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"So I guess then that Xu Huang's going to be carrying the coffin out to the field?"

haha most likely so :lol: Pang De is ESSENTIAL for Fan Castle. Can someone please tell me the importance of Bao Sanniang?................didn't think so. Who cares if the Jp fans hated Pang De? If they did then they had to literally force Koei to make him better no?
Edited by Crazypete, Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:42 am.
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Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:20 am
From a logical standpoint there would absolutely be no reason to cut Pang De.

Since there are so many reasons as to why he CAN have worked in the game, the only answer left is: the Japanese fanbase or at least most of it, hates his guts.

Obviously Koei wouldn't care about any other nationality of fanbase.
All I can say is that Tong Gate and Fan Castle or going to be very weird again with him absent.
that is true :O pang de was a huge force during the battles of tong gate and fan castle..koei is tripping..they add ding feng and guan suo for what reasons again?
Hey, don't be trash talking Ding Feng, buddy. He killed Zhang Liao and he likes poetry. Epic general right there!
Ding feng killed zhang liao with a arrow not face to face kombat enough said! sun jian got killed with an arrow..who else got killed by an arrow?
Pang Tong died by an strategic ambush in a mountain area by an arrow, he was mistaken to be Liu Bei because of the white horse Pang Tong was riding, incidentally it was Liu Bei's horse and was given to Pang Tong for reasons i forget but it was only moments before the death.
Edited by Joetri10, Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:43 am.
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From a logical standpoint there would absolutely be no reason to cut Pang De.

Since there are so many reasons as to why he CAN have worked in the game, the only answer left is: the Japanese fanbase or at least most of it, hates his guts.

Obviously Koei wouldn't care about any other nationality of fanbase.
All I can say is that Tong Gate and Fan Castle or going to be very weird again with him absent.
Well, I might be giving Koei too much credit when I say that they're excluding Pang De (again) because they probably realized that they jumped the gun on his inclusion in the first place and did (what they think) is a terrible execution. While he did have room to improve, I think Koei's backing him out for a second time because they feel that they couldn't do him 'justice', and will hold off until they figure out how to many him interesting to the Japanese fans, or will work in him and Yu Jin.

Of course, I might be giving Koei way too much credit. It's the only logical reason I can come up with as to why he's cut again, outside of pure 'hated' from the Japanese fans. To cut a character entirely for that, especially when there are a lot of other 'hated' characters that have made it in?

Pang De is like Quinton Flynn- successful on paper, but bad execution totally ruins the character.
What about Pang De was "ruined". He was an unstoppable beast of destruction in dw5 and my favorite character.
He had an extremely 1 dimensional and dull personality. Not to mention his biggest exploit of fan castle wasn't really highlighted. Half of the dimension of his character is gone without Yu Jin present for the battle of Fan Castle, so his true bravery is never really highlighted.

Pang De was never meant to be an "unstoppable beast of destruction" as a character, in fact there's no real merit mentioned to his battle prowess, just his bravery in not surrendering during fan castle when compared to Yu Jin who chose prison instead of execution.

Pang De's personality in 5 consisted of half of Ma Chao's personality and thats really it. For the honor of Xi Liang, honor was really the only trait DW 5 Pang De possessed, and even that's not delved into well/explained. You never even get a notion of what his honor is, just that he preaches it around.

They hardly touched on his relationship with Ma Chao, which was a huge disappointment, and he didnt really have any connections to wei generals in the story. Overall he was easily one of the most dull characters in dw5, and his only saving redemption's are how badass he was in history (which was poorly executed in the game) and his unique moveset.

If they bring back Pang De, they need to do a MAJOR overhaul on personality.
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You're also foreting the novel Gan Ning who got killed by an arrow from Shamoke.

A kill is stilla kill no matter how it is attained. But even without killing zhang liao in history, ding feng took some big risk and loike zhang liao defeated an army larger than his, though not with the handicap that zhang liao had.
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Mother F'in Xu Huang got killed by an arrow.

The most consistently awesome general across all three kingdoms.

lol even xu huang got killed by some petty arrows smh diddnt xiahou yuan get killed my some arrows from Huang Zhong?

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that is true :O pang de was a huge force during the battles of tong gate and fan castle..koei is tripping..they add ding feng and guan suo for what reasons again?
Hey, don't be trash talking Ding Feng, buddy. He killed Zhang Liao and he likes poetry. Epic general right there!
Ding feng killed zhang liao with a arrow not face to face kombat enough said! sun jian got killed with an arrow..who else got killed by an arrow?
Pang Tong died by an strategic ambush in a mountain area by an arrow, he was mistaken to be Liu Bei because of the white horse Pang Tong was riding, incidentally it was Liu Bei's horse and was given to Pang Tong for reasons i forget but it was only moments before the death.
lol yea i remember that part in dw5..poor pang tong..is pang tong under rated?

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From a logical standpoint there would absolutely be no reason to cut Pang De.

Since there are so many reasons as to why he CAN have worked in the game, the only answer left is: the Japanese fanbase or at least most of it, hates his guts.

Obviously Koei wouldn't care about any other nationality of fanbase.
All I can say is that Tong Gate and Fan Castle or going to be very weird again with him absent.
Well, I might be giving Koei too much credit when I say that they're excluding Pang De (again) because they probably realized that they jumped the gun on his inclusion in the first place and did (what they think) is a terrible execution. While he did have room to improve, I think Koei's backing him out for a second time because they feel that they couldn't do him 'justice', and will hold off until they figure out how to many him interesting to the Japanese fans, or will work in him and Yu Jin.

Of course, I might be giving Koei way too much credit. It's the only logical reason I can come up with as to why he's cut again, outside of pure 'hated' from the Japanese fans. To cut a character entirely for that, especially when there are a lot of other 'hated' characters that have made it in?

Pang De is like Quinton Flynn- successful on paper, but bad execution totally ruins the character.
What about Pang De was "ruined". He was an unstoppable beast of destruction in dw5 and my favorite character.
He had an extremely 1 dimensional and dull personality. Not to mention his biggest exploit of fan castle wasn't really highlighted. Half of the dimension of his character is gone without Yu Jin present for the battle of Fan Castle, so his true bravery is never really highlighted.

Pang De was never meant to be an "unstoppable beast of destruction" as a character, in fact there's no real merit mentioned to his battle prowess, just his bravery in not surrendering during fan castle when compared to Yu Jin who chose prison instead of execution.

Pang De's personality in 5 consisted of half of Ma Chao's personality and thats really it. For the honor of Xi Liang, honor was really the only trait DW 5 Pang De possessed, and even that's not delved into well/explained. You never even get a notion of what his honor is, just that he preaches it around.

They hardly touched on his relationship with Ma Chao, which was a huge disappointment, and he didnt really have any connections to wei generals in the story. Overall he was easily one of the most dull characters in dw5, and his only saving redemption's are how badass he was in history (which was poorly executed in the game) and his unique moveset.

If they bring back Pang De, they need to do a MAJOR overhaul on personality.
Agreed on that. Koei made Pang De look like an outcast in the Ma family. He was always so distant to Ma Chao. Plus their dialogue was very bland as well. Now with the addition of Ma Dai i would've expected Koei to add Pang De and at least make Ma Teng a NPC.
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From a logical standpoint there would absolutely be no reason to cut Pang De.

Since there are so many reasons as to why he CAN have worked in the game, the only answer left is: the Japanese fanbase or at least most of it, hates his guts.

Obviously Koei wouldn't care about any other nationality of fanbase.
All I can say is that Tong Gate and Fan Castle or going to be very weird again with him absent.
Well, I might be giving Koei too much credit when I say that they're excluding Pang De (again) because they probably realized that they jumped the gun on his inclusion in the first place and did (what they think) is a terrible execution. While he did have room to improve, I think Koei's backing him out for a second time because they feel that they couldn't do him 'justice', and will hold off until they figure out how to many him interesting to the Japanese fans, or will work in him and Yu Jin.

Of course, I might be giving Koei way too much credit. It's the only logical reason I can come up with as to why he's cut again, outside of pure 'hated' from the Japanese fans. To cut a character entirely for that, especially when there are a lot of other 'hated' characters that have made it in?

Pang De is like Quinton Flynn- successful on paper, but bad execution totally ruins the character.
What about Pang De was "ruined". He was an unstoppable beast of destruction in dw5 and my favorite character. Sure, he got lost on his way to King Arthur's court, but a bad sense of direction is no reason to hate.
Well, just because you have good enough sense to know that he's a beast on the battlefield doesn't mean that everyone is going to like him. In fact, I don't see much love for Pang De in the states outside of this forum, much less in Japan.

I don't know if the Japanese hate him, but I call him a failed execution because Koei didn't utilize this character to his full potential. I remember them announcing him in DW5 and I was psyched- this is the badass that brought his own coffin to the battlefield in a duel against Guan Yu. The great Guan Yu was WEARY of this guy. I was psyched.

And how was his performance in DW5? Gameplay wise I liked him, but his story and personality fell flat. Horribly flat. Not even Daran Norris' voice acting could really get me excited about maxing this guy out.

Koei botched on the execution, or at least they feel they did, seeing as they removed him in DW6. And I'm guessing that since they've admitted to bringing back 'fan favorites' and the absence of Pang De, that Pang De obviously isn't a 'fan favorite'.

Maybe Koei is trying to find a way to bring him back to the badass glory he was suppose to be in DW5? Or, maybe they are just listening to the fans and keeping him out. Either way, he was among my most highly anticipated characters, and while I still liked him, not enough people did. Sadly.
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Wasn't Zhang He also killed by an arrow? I forget.

I'd rather have dull-personality Pang De than risk him getting a Ma Chao style personality makeover. Obsession with coffins. Every battle quote involves coffins. Ultimate weapon: Coffin. Alternate costume: Coffin with arm and leg holes.
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Lubu, full of laughter, burst the veins and he died.
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Mother F'in Xu Huang got killed by an arrow.

The most consistently awesome general across all three kingdoms.

lol even xu huang got killed by some petty arrows smh diddnt xiahou yuan get killed my some arrows from Huang Zhong?
gang ning got shot by i think sha moke, in the head
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Hey, don't be trash talking Ding Feng, buddy. He killed Zhang Liao and he likes poetry. Epic general right there!
Ding feng killed zhang liao with a arrow not face to face kombat enough said! sun jian got killed with an arrow..who else got killed by an arrow?
Pang Tong died by an strategic ambush in a mountain area by an arrow, he was mistaken to be Liu Bei because of the white horse Pang Tong was riding, incidentally it was Liu Bei's horse and was given to Pang Tong for reasons i forget but it was only moments before the death.
lol yea i remember that part in dw5..poor pang tong..is pang tong under rated?
Pang Tong was a very valuable asset and a very amazing man to Liu Bei, its very unfortunate that he died so young.


As for Huang Zhong, all i can remember about him was he died because he was too over confident... I think he was too ambushed by archers...

Arrows are like gun's... They were actually very important in battle.
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You're also foreting the novel Gan Ning who got killed by an arrow from Shamoke.

A kill is stilla kill no matter how it is attained. But even without killing zhang liao in history, ding feng took some big risk and loike zhang liao defeated an army larger than his, though not with the handicap that zhang liao had.
yea true a kill is a kill but sometimes its the way the warrior got killed how everyone looks at it..whos your favorite dynasty warrior? imagine if Xu Zhu killed ur favorite dw warrior with a huge rock? woudnt you be highly upset how your favorite character got killed by some huge rock??? O.o
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I'm sry to change topic a little..well not really but one thing i have been wondering. Why has Koei always excluded Dong Zhuo from the Yellow Turban Rebellion? He was part of the Han forces as well

edit: Although i remembered now in DW4 when you're on the YT side he comes out after Sun Jian, Liu Bei, and Cao Cao's forces are defeated. Koei is 100% aware that he was on the Han forces but they refuse to add him..
Edited by Crazypete, Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:53 am.
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Pang De is being pined for in other English forums like Gamefaqs as well, not just here.

And I loved the execution in DW5. ALL Koei characters are flat as hell. ALL of them. So that did not feel out of place. He also had some awesome cutscenes/excellent lines.
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You're also foreting the novel Gan Ning who got killed by an arrow from Shamoke.

A kill is stilla kill no matter how it is attained. But even without killing zhang liao in history, ding feng took some big risk and loike zhang liao defeated an army larger than his, though not with the handicap that zhang liao had.
yea true a kill is a kill but sometimes its the way the warrior got killed how everyone looks at it..whos your favorite dynasty warrior? imagine if Xu Zhu killed ur favorite dw warrior with a huge rock? woudnt you be highly upset how your favorite character got killed by some huge rock??? O.o
You are right in how I would a little mad but still, a kill is a kill no matter how you achieve it either by honor or cowardice or deceit. I could go for hours about how the simriallion by tolkien about of that but I'll stick to the topic.

Edit: besides dying in battle sounds better than what illness had to offer unless if it wasn't a quick death.
Edited by Paragon of Light, Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:56 am.
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You're also foreting the novel Gan Ning who got killed by an arrow from Shamoke.

A kill is stilla kill no matter how it is attained. But even without killing zhang liao in history, ding feng took some big risk and loike zhang liao defeated an army larger than his, though not with the handicap that zhang liao had.
yea true a kill is a kill but sometimes its the way the warrior got killed how everyone looks at it..whos your favorite dynasty warrior? imagine if Xu Zhu killed ur favorite dw warrior with a huge rock? woudnt you be highly upset how your favorite character got killed by some huge rock??? O.o
Hey, my favorite character died from illness historically, and in the novel was possessed by Guan Yu's ghost and bled out every orifice in his body. And you don't see me getting upset over that.

(To be honest, while I would be initially upset if they have Guan Suo kill Lu Meng, I would at least hope the cinematic are nicely done.)

Death happens to characters, especially if it's based on history. Deal with it.
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ight now im noticing alot of great warriors in dynasty warriors are dieing from either arrows or sickness(diseases,illness)


very few died in battle like dian wei gave his life to save cao cao from jia xu thats a honorable death

guan yu and guan ping both died in battle

sun ce died from an arrow smh just like his father

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He's not upset that Zhang Liao got killed, I think his stance is that killing a man with an arrow is not a huge martial achievement.


Edited by WhiteHorseRide, Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:59 am.
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Do bear in mind that in this game the greatest of generals can be killed by a little girl with a fan.

Talking about Sun Ce's death reminds me of Yu Ji. I miss him... maybe he'll show up in 7.
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I'm sry to change topic a little..well not really but one thing i have been wondering. Why has Koei always excluded Dong Zhuo from the Yellow Turban Rebellion? He was part of the Han forces as well

edit: Although i remembered now in DW4 when you're on the YT side he comes out after Sun Jian, Liu Bei, and Cao Cao's forces are defeated. Koei is 100% aware that he was on the Han forces but they refuse to add him..
I've never really taken notice, but if true, it is very strange. It is there that he is rescued by Liu Bei, Guan Yu and Zhang Fei, and then brushes them off when he finds out they are volunteer recruits. This kind of sets the stage for Dong Zhuo's personality and the three brothers' struggle for acceptance.
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Mother F'in Xu Huang got killed by an arrow.

The most consistently awesome general across all three kingdoms.

lol even xu huang got killed by some petty arrows smh diddnt xiahou yuan get killed my some arrows from Huang Zhong?
Huang Zhong cut him in half from the shoulder to the waist actually. It was up close and personal.
Edited by Baphomet, Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:05 am.
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