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| Joetri10 | Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:01 am Post #12376 |
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Don't Even Pray For Me, No!
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Sun Ce did not die because of an arrow, but its way too complicated to actually explain the real cause of his death
Edited by Joetri10, Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:02 am.
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| ChibiGingi | Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:02 am Post #12377 |
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Booyaka, Booyaka
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Not sure why you think dying from arrows is a dishonorable death. Then again, I've always seen war in the eyes of a realist- I care not how 'dishonorable' my perfectly placed ambush was, because all that matters in the end is how 'honorable' you looked walking into my trap. War is war, and a victory's a victory. I guess that's why I've always like Wu and their take on Fan Castle. Yeah, might be dirty and underhanded to trick Guan Yu's officers into betraying him and stealing the Jing Province right under his nose, but hey, calling your opponents 'dishonorable dogs' is like water to a ducks' back when they capture you and behead your 'honorable' self. I can't stand it when honor gets in the way of victory. It'd just lead to prolonged wars and more death. Take the renegade option, and get the job done. Now I want Mass Effect 3. Goddammit Bioware. |
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| Master cao pi | Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:03 am Post #12378 |
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Affiliation-Wei Empire
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hmmm something like that..like i understand back in the dw days arrows were like guns but the way they said it about ding feng killing zhang liao..he killed him with a arrow his primary weapon is not a arrow... now it would be alot different if they faced off in face to face kombat and ding feng killed zhang liao like that then yea no point in talking about it |
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| Baphomet | Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:03 am Post #12379 |
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She's a Super Hero now!
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Guan Yu and Puang Ping were executed AFTER the battle for refusing to submit to Sun Quan. Sun Ce died because his wound wouldn't heal and he kept getting aggravated and making his condition worse. Sun Jian was crushed by boulders. |
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| SimaYi11 | Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:04 am Post #12380 |
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Officer
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Haha are we talking novel or historically? because if were talking novel thats for sure. Best way to describe it is death by cursing. |
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| Master cao pi | Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:04 am Post #12381 |
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Affiliation-Wei Empire
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lmao how did sun ce realy die then????? |
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| Joetri10 | Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:05 am Post #12382 |
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Don't Even Pray For Me, No!
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Sun Jian was ambushed and killed by an arrow attack after losing to Liu Biao i do believe. |
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| ChibiGingi | Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:06 am Post #12383 |
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Booyaka, Booyaka
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And where does it say that you can't use arrows and guns in war? It's a perfectly legitimate strategy and should not be seen as being a 'lesser death'. Same as illness. I'm sure if Hitler died from dysentery, the Allied forces would have been just as relieved as, say, Churchill walking up and stabbing the guy in the face in a man to man fight. |
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| Xalfrea | Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:06 am Post #12384 |
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Keyblade hero
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I too am a realist in war; honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead. Especially in this day and age when life can be taken away so easily due to a bullet. Back to DW, I always felt that Yellow Turban Rebellion is where a lot of the early players are meant to show up; Liu Bei, Cao Cao, Sun Jian, Yuan Shao, Dong Zhuo, etc. Hence why I like DW4's YTR for having so many of the early warlords show up when you are on the Yellow Turban's side. |
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| ChibiGingi | Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:08 am Post #12385 |
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Booyaka, Booyaka
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Yeah, I've always enjoyed playing on the Yellow Turban's side during that level. Makes me want to walk up on the battlefield and say 'BRING IT ON, HAN DYNASTY'. I so missed that in DW6... |
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| Joetri10 | Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:08 am Post #12386 |
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Don't Even Pray For Me, No!
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Some say he never actually healed from the arrow attack but other problems played a factor.. Other say he was tormented by a taoist... Think back to the stage he had in dw5... Others argue both facts. Its hard to explain. |
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| kd_1412 | Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:10 am Post #12387 |
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Elite Soldier
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I'm thinking that kinds of "singular explosion" musou are their "extra" secondary musou because dynasty warriors traditional musou is longer, they have smaller attack first then ended with a big blast. It's kind a like Wang Yuanji throwing dagger musou in the first PV and Zhong Hui's awesome sword flying musou in Jin Trailer.(Like that dude from Final Fantasy 13 Versus) Those look like traditional musou |
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| ChibiGingi | Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:10 am Post #12388 |
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Booyaka, Booyaka
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There's even a theory/story/folklore claiming that Sun Quan killed him, so that he could be the ruler of the territories his brought fought for. Of course, I'm sure that's just a story or opera of some sort... the more bookish people of this forum could confirm or deconfirm this. |
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| Xalfrea | Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:11 am Post #12389 |
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Keyblade hero
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Well, on the plus side, at least we got that final Lu Bu Hu Lao Gate stage, where even a zombie Zhang Jiao and Dong Zhuo weren't satisfied with their first deaths. One of the better highlights of DW6. |
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| Master cao pi | Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:12 am Post #12390 |
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yea i understand you very much but basically this is what im trying to say lol XIAHOU YUAN AND HUANG ZHONG PRIMARY WEAPONS ARE BOWS AND ARROWS CORRECT?? NOW IF XIAHHOU YUAN KILLS MA CHAO WITH HIS PRIMARY WEAPON THEN THERES NO BIG DEAL BECAUSE THAT'S HIS PRIMARY WEAPON HE DOESN'T USE NO OTHER WEAPON for examples BUT NOW IF CAO CAO USES A RANDOM BOW AND ARROW AND KILLS SUN JIAN THEN THERES A PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE HOW COME CAO CAO COULDN'T USE HIS PRIMARY WEAPON HIS SWORD TO KILL SUN JIAN IN FACE TO FACE KOMBAT LOL THATS MY PROBLEM lol yea that's basically dying in battle they wouldn't give there selves up there true honorable warriors and yea sun ce died from an arrow shot it wouldn't heal correctly |
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| WhiteHorseRide | Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:17 am Post #12391 |
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Right General
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That's not what he's talking about. You said Ding Feng killed Zhang Liao and mentioned that as one of the reasons he should be in the game. I'm not saying it is or isn't, but the circumstances of the death alone make the claim less powerful than if he actually killed Zhang Liao in a duel. Which he of course didn't. Meng Da is probably never going to get a spot in the game despite killing Xu Huang with a bow. And Shamoke isn't either despite killing Gan Ning with a bow. And of course I assume we are all talking about the novel here. Edited by WhiteHorseRide, Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:18 am.
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| Xalfrea | Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:33 am Post #12392 |
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Which...doesn't really make too much sense that this is a fictional representation of how these people in history died, and in some cases, are double fictionalized due to ROTK changing people's deaths too. |
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| kaiosuke37 | Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:42 am Post #12393 |
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Sun Chen
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Regarding the Ex attack discussion, if my memory serves me correctly, I'm pretty sure either Black Kite or Seraphil had confirmed three ex attacks at most. I'm also remember one of them mentioning that characters were going to have various exs; including status buffs and special attacks. They also mentioned that you can only equip one at once. I do remember seeing three separate slots in the screen-shots. A semi-example was one of Xing Cai's Ex attack was a defense buff, but she'll also have attack exs, which we haven't seen yet. **But please don't wield this as an absolute fact until one of them reconfirms it** |
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| QZW | Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:43 am Post #12394 |
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Feeling Excellent!!!
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Okay I have a question about the honor subject, what if innocent people are killed just to win remember WW2? Truman? Japan? Thousands of innocents? Anyway I wonder why Shu is romanticized so much and Wei is so evil and make it seem like Wu is in the way. Its seems so wrong especially when Shu is actually the most horrid of them all. Liu Bei set up Pang Tong the way i see it. @kaiosuke37 Thats what it was I was trying to remember, so I could post about, but due to my lack of memory I didn't, thx. Edited by QZW, Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:46 am.
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| Amakusa | Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:44 am Post #12395 |
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Honestly, when you consider deaths I don't think being shot by an arrow is enough to credit someone for a killing blow. For named characters in the novel that rarely is enough to declare a character dead (the only exception I can think of was Xu Huang, who was said to have died from the arrow shot). Zhang Liao died more from the complications of his wound than the arrow itself. Same with Sun Ce. |
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| kd_1412 | Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:48 am Post #12396 |
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Man, you just showed how amazing human can be. I got no better answer than suggesting you to go to Dynasty Warriors 7 Official Site. Click on Action ( with the flashing UPDATE on it) . Then click on EX Attack. Then read from the top left to bottom left. Hope that answer your concern. Oh and those 3 slot they were talking about, if my memory serves me correctly, were regarded as buffed slots.
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| QZW | Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:10 am Post #12397 |
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Feeling Excellent!!!
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Hmm I was on the official site and it said one way you can acquire weapons is by beating officers in a certain time limit, this would probably apply to someone like Lu Bu..... oh no I can already picture myself dying so much just so I can obtain it to equip to Lu Meng.
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| kaiosuke37 | Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:18 am Post #12398 |
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To be honest, I have no clue what you're getting at. I really don't see the comparison there. I mentioned that there was three, if not two interchangeable EXs, what you've posted has no relevance on what I'm explaining. I was giving my example on status buffs compared to attack buffs since that was the only one confirmed at the moment. Regarding the screen-shots, if you look at the ones before Dong Zhuo at the main page/screenshots, you'll see all the buyable skills; The first three being: four/fifth/sixth s-string the next two below being: fifth/sixth charge attack Two at the rfar left being the *two* musuos Lastly, there being three other slots... hmmmm.... I wonder what else they might be? Doesn't look like their chain-able, but more *interchangeable* |
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| Frayling0 | Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:18 am Post #12399 |
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There is no historical evidence to prove Sun Ce's cause of death, but if you want the Romance of the Three Kingdoms reason (the book Dynasty Warriors is based on): "Sun Ce's death involves a popular Taoist priest of his time named Gan Ji (干吉), whom he regarded as a sorcerer. Despite petitions from his subjects and his own mother, Sun Ce ordered Gan Ji's execution. According to In Search of the Supernatural (搜神記) by Gan Bao (干竇), a compilation largely based on legends and hearsay, Sun Ce began to see apparitions of Gan Ji ever since the execution of the latter. After he was injured by assassins, Sun Ce was told by the physician to rest still to allow the wound to heal. However, he looked into the mirror one day and saw Gan Ji's face, whereupon he let out a cry and slammed the mirror. His wound broke and he died shortly. This version was adopted and further dramatized by Luo Guanzhong in his historical novel Romance of the Three Kingdoms, in which Gan Ji's name was taken to be "Yu Ji" (于吉)." - from Wikipedia. As a side note, I think dying from an arrow wound is actually quite an epic death... Oh, and EX attacks. I always just thought a character would have one, this is definitely interesting. Even if the S-strings and c-attacks are 'cloned' per say, the ex attacks in the mix should make things a little different + we've got switch attacks and 2 different musou's. Edited by Frayling0, Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:24 am.
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| kd_1412 | Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:19 am Post #12400 |
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From that, imagine you have to kill him with a combo attack, to get better weapon. Well if the weapon shared the same feature as items in a way that better combo make better stuff; which is what I talked it out of my a since there is no info on that. So just me thinking. |
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To be honest, I have no clue what you're getting at. I really don't see the comparison there. 
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