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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
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Xalfrea
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Seeing those last pages just made me think again. What happens when every playable general featured in ROTK will be made playable? Will people still cry crocodile tears and want the women and emperors, or even the likes of Yue Ying's dad or Dong Zhuo's mom playable?

Just HOW MUCH do people want anyway? There's really only so much they can put into a game and make them unique. You can guarantee that by the time Dynasty Warriors 20 comes out and everyone down to the last general, woman and nonfighter scraping the bottom of the barrel won't be unique in any way whatsoever.
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Xalfrea
Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:04 am
Seeing those last pages just made me think again. What happens when every playable general featured in ROTK will be made playable? Will people still cry crocodile tears and want the women and emperors, or even the likes of Yue Ying's dad or Dong Zhuo's mom playable?

Just HOW MUCH do people want anyway? There's really only so much they can put into a game and make them unique. You can guarantee that by the time Dynasty Warriors 20 comes out and everyone down to the last general, woman and nonfighter scraping the bottom of the barrel won't be unique in any way whatsoever.
I hope Koei stops by then... lol

I'm good with whoever Koei adds... its just them possibly cutting Pang De I'm not caring for.
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Well this week I'm afraid dw 7 will have to take a backseat for me because the square enix conference will be held on tuesday and I can't wait for more info on ff versus 13 and agito 13 along with hopefully a gameplay video on yuna in ff dissidia duodecim :)

Of course if those dw scans come and Xiao Qiao is one of the revealed characters I'll be extatic!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I wonder that myself. The game would be so....crowded.
Eventually generic troop #5 will be playable.
Villager # 9572 is a secret character.
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Xalfrea
Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:04 am
Seeing those last pages just made me think again. What happens when every playable general featured in ROTK will be made playable? Will people still cry crocodile tears and want the women and emperors, or even the likes of Yue Ying's dad or Dong Zhuo's mom playable? Just HOW MUCH do people want anyway? There's really only so much they can put into a game and make them unique. You can guarantee that by the time Dynasty Warriors 20 comes out and everyone down to the last general, woman and nonfighter scraping the bottom of the barrel won't be unique in any way whatsoever.
Generics will always be around in any Warriors game. It's just the nature of it. I always wonder why people would expect there will be 1000 playable characters in the future?

Also, Koei turning Pang De into a generic will be an insult to his fans. :angry:
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Xalfrea
Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:04 am
Seeing those last pages just made me think again. What happens when every playable general featured in ROTK will be made playable? Will people still cry crocodile tears and want the women and emperors, or even the likes of Yue Ying's dad or Dong Zhuo's mom playable? Just HOW MUCH do people want anyway? There's really only so much they can put into a game and make them unique. You can guarantee that by the time Dynasty Warriors 20 comes out and everyone down to the last general, woman and nonfighter scraping the bottom of the barrel won't be unique in any way whatsoever.
Don't include me in this. I've already clearly stated my three criteria for not wanting people such BSN, Guan Suo, Liu Chan, Xing Cai and the Qiaos playable.

I guarantee you that KOEI would gain more people if they at least tried not to make poor appearances for potentially good characters (Robin Hood (Ma Dai), Justin Bieber (Xiahou Ba), savage Wei Yan and Deng Ai, pretty boy Hui) and poor personas for great historical people ( Wei Yan, Xu Zhu and Zhang He).

Also, this terrible adds that KOEI invents to release should be given more thought. Risking some useless people from the game would do well, most exactly in Wu and Shu, and replacing them with good generals and personalized women (Zhu Ran, Sun Luban, Lady Wu, Lu Kang, He Qi)

In addition, they could stop being so historically heretic with some characters. What's with the cool looking Sima Zhao and the savage looking Wei Yan?
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I'm surprised Koei doesn't do a character rotation with each new game. As in, removing a good chunk of the cast for one game in exchange for a bunch of others to rotate in to take their place as playable, then mix it up further in the next game, and so on. It's a similar system to how Super Robot Wars works with how it includes the various mecha series. In DW's case it could instead be done as focus on different specific storylines.

Example:

DW8: has Ma Chao, Ma Dai, Pang De and Ma Teng and has the Liang battles and events heavily emphasized
DW9: Ma Dai, Pang De and Ma Teng are benched, while we get say Yuan Xi, Yan Liang, Wen Chou and Tian Feng and this time there's a big focus on the Yuan family and the northern battles
DW10: The four added Yuan characters are benched, Ma Teng and Pang De are brought back, and Meng Da, Fa Zheng, Zhang Ren, Li Jue and Zhang Xiu are added with the focus this time on early pre-Liu Bei Shu and the remnants of Dong Zhuo's force + their battles/events with the Liang guys and Zhang Lu, etc.

This is what I would do if I was in charge of the scenario writing for DW series.
Edited by SRS, Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:18 am.
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Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:12 am
I always wonder why people would expect there will be 1000 playable characters in the future?
Because apparently there are some people who would never be satisfied with any roster Koei gives. While I know this may be an overreaction, it's entirely possible.

Someone gets confirmed, people want another person associated with that person, and so on and so on. So it seems the only way everyone would be satisfied is to have a Warriors game with at least 500 characters to choose from. Certainly by then there WILL be clones. If not in moveset, at least in personality.

EDIT: @ Seraphil

That would be cool, giving other people a chance to shine but nooooooooo, there will still be people who would cry foul because characters are cut anyway.

"Who wants these new guys?!? I WANTZ MY GODLY MA CHAO!!!"

Heck, why not go out of the way and make the PANDA playable too?
Edited by Xalfrea, Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:22 am.
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Seraphil, too many sensitive fans that would be crying over losing their favorite character for a game. Or if people knew that's how it would work it would be chaos with everyone speculating who was going to be cut, etc.

I do agree in theory that sounds like a great idea to keep it fresh but in practice it would lead to chaos in the community.

Also a good point by Xalfrea; at some point we're going to stop adding marginal characters. It's really pretty amazing they've stretched out as many games as they have in this series considering it's just rehashing the same story over and over (but I suppose slowly releasing the characters + stages each game helps them do that).
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Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:16 am
I'm surprised Koei doesn't do a character rotation with each new game. As in, removing a good chunk of the cast for one game in exchange for a bunch of others to rotate in to take their place as playable, then mix it up further in the next game, and so on. It's a similar system to how Super Robot Wars works with how it includes the various mecha series. In DW's case it could instead be done as focus on different specific storylines.

Example:

DW8: has Ma Chao, Ma Dai, Pang De and Ma Teng and has the Liang battles and events heavily emphasized
DW9: Ma Dai, Pang De and Ma Teng are benched, while we get say Yuan Xi, Yan Liang, Wen Chou and Tian Feng and this time there's a big focus on the Yuan family and the northern battles
DW10: The four added Yuan characters are benched, Ma Teng and Pang De are brought back, and Meng Da, Fa Zheng, Zhang Ren, Li Jue and Zhang Xiu are added with the focus this time on early pre-Liu Bei Shu and the remnants of Dong Zhuo's force + their battles/events with the Liang guys and Zhang Lu, etc.

This is what I would do if I was in charge of the scenario writing for DW series.
Do you know how many people would ***** and complain about who doesn't have the main focus?
lol
And how many games Koei would have to make to appease the fan's desires?
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Once Koei makes a character and puts a personality to it, I hate saying this, but it will stick through the entire series.

I can't think of a character from the top of my head that has had a legitimate personality change.
Wei Yan will most likely stay his brutal self, since it's what they think fans expect to see. Anyway constructing a character takes time and money, and I'm pretty sure Koei doesn't want to do that.

On the topic of women(hope this ends soon.)
Women are needed in the series.
They can make a one-sided Lu Bu, show actual compassion.
And from the looks of Wang Yuan Ji, keep their men in place.

I'll finish with this.
Liu Shan is a great add, Liu Bei can't be emperor forever.
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Xalfrea
Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:18 am
JasBell
Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:12 am
I always wonder why people would expect there will be 1000 playable characters in the future?
Because apparently there are some people who would never be satisfied with any roster Koei gives. While I know this may be an overreaction, it's entirely possible. Someone gets confirmed, people want another person associated with that person, and so on and so on. So it seems the only way everyone would be satisfied is to have a Warriors game with at least 500 characters to choose from. Certainly by then there WILL be clones. If not in moveset, at least in personality.
Don't generalize. It depends on the fans, it depends on the situation, it even depends if that character could be cool or not. I repeat, there are some characters that really ought to be risked, but, anyway...
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Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:12 am
Xalfrea
Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:04 am
Seeing those last pages just made me think again. What happens when every playable general featured in ROTK will be made playable? Will people still cry crocodile tears and want the women and emperors, or even the likes of Yue Ying's dad or Dong Zhuo's mom playable? Just HOW MUCH do people want anyway? There's really only so much they can put into a game and make them unique. You can guarantee that by the time Dynasty Warriors 20 comes out and everyone down to the last general, woman and nonfighter scraping the bottom of the barrel won't be unique in any way whatsoever.
Don't include me in this. I've already clearly stated my three criteria for not wanting people such BSN, Guan Suo, Liu Chan, Xing Cai and the Qiaos playable. I guarantee you that KOEI would gain more people if they at least tried not to make poor appearances for potentially good characters (Robin Hood (Ma Dai), Justin Bieber (Xiahou Ba), savage Wei Yan and Deng Ai, pretty boy Hui) and poor personas for great historical people ( Wei Yan, Xu Zhu and Zhang He). Also, this terrible adds that KOEI invents to release should be given more thought. Risking some useless people from the game would do well, most exactly in Wu and Shu, and replacing them with good generals and personalized women (Zhu Ran, Sun Luban, Lady Wu, Lu Kang, He Qi) In addition, they could stop being so historically heretic with some characters. What's with the cool looking Sima Zhao and the savage looking Wei Yan?
I guess the reason Koei give some of these characters exotic personalities is because it would be sometimes boring to have everyone the exact same "great general like" persona. Sometimes you have to spice things up if you're going to attract people into playing this game. While I don't exactly agree with some of these personas (ex: Zhang He "exoticness" or Xu Zhu "brainlessness) it's just Koei's own twist to the three kingdoms era.

I would like to see Zhang He develop a genious mind to him while keeping his beautifulness persona(Just don't make it like DW6) and Xu Zhu have a more intense side of him. That way it doesn't go overboard but it doesn't keep it from being to boring.
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Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:57 am
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Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:53 am
Was it announced?
I don't get what you're asking . . . ???
Was it announced that there are scans this week?
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Hasn't been announced there are scans but it is pretty likely we will see scans in probably 30-35 hours from now
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Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:20 am
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Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:16 am
I'm surprised Koei doesn't do a character rotation with each new game. As in, removing a good chunk of the cast for one game in exchange for a bunch of others to rotate in to take their place as playable, then mix it up further in the next game, and so on. It's a similar system to how Super Robot Wars works with how it includes the various mecha series. In DW's case it could instead be done as focus on different specific storylines.

Example:

DW8: has Ma Chao, Ma Dai, Pang De and Ma Teng and has the Liang battles and events heavily emphasized
DW9: Ma Dai, Pang De and Ma Teng are benched, while we get say Yuan Xi, Yan Liang, Wen Chou and Tian Feng and this time there's a big focus on the Yuan family and the northern battles
DW10: The four added Yuan characters are benched, Ma Teng and Pang De are brought back, and Meng Da, Fa Zheng, Zhang Ren, Li Jue and Zhang Xiu are added with the focus this time on early pre-Liu Bei Shu and the remnants of Dong Zhuo's force + their battles/events with the Liang guys and Zhang Lu, etc.

This is what I would do if I was in charge of the scenario writing for DW series.
Do you know how many people would ***** and complain about who doesn't have the main focus?
lol
And how many games Koei would have to make to appease the fan's desires?
I'm just curious, have you played Samurai Warriors at all? I'm not gonna ask if you've played Super Robot Wars because there's a 99% chance you'll say no.

But in regards to SW series, this is exactly what they've been doing as far as "focus" goes. It's not merely ONLY ONE focus(did you really want me to write out a huge wall of text laying out the entire game instead of a small example to explain what I mean?)

SW1: Focus on Nobunaga's rise, Shingen and Kenshin's rivalry, and Yukimura's struggle
SW2: Focus on Hideoyshi's rise, Sekigahara, and the Justice Trio
SW3: Focus on Shingen-Kenshin-Ujiyasu, Nobunaga-Hideyoshi-Ieyasu, Mitsunari-Kiyomasa-Kanetsugu, and expansion on both the far south and north theatres as well

In fact they've done the character rotation thing to a very small extent(Yoshimoto much?)
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Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:22 am
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Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:57 am
air_mac
Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:53 am
Was it announced?
I don't get what you're asking . . . ???
Was it announced that there are scans this week?
It is most likely that there'll be scans this week, since we didn't get scans last week in Famitsu.

So don't worry. Just wait until Tuesday night.
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I can't think of a character from the top of my head that has had a legitimate personality change.
Wei Yan will most likely stay his brutal self, since it's what they think fans expect to see. Anyway constructing a character takes time and money, and I'm pretty sure Koei doesn't want to do that.


Sima Yi, Cao Cao, Xu Huang, all in DW6

Building a char takes time and money, but refusal to rebuild a bad char takes away even more money

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Women are needed in the series.
They can make a one-sided Lu Bu, show actual compassion.
And from the looks of Wang Yuan Ji, keep their men in place.


Yes, they are, I never disagreed.

Lu Bu wasn't compassionate, that's the detail. There's no reason to make an ambitious rude man compassionate. You people seem to want DW as the world where people kill for love and peace, when they kill for greed and power

dancingswan
 
Liu Shan is a great add, Liu Bei can't be emperor forever.


That doesn't = that Liu Shan must be playable, or even Unique. Liu Shan in DW5 was generic, and it was enough. We don't need a pitiful lazy emperor to be playable. If he were corrupt, like Sun Hao, it would pass, but even that he wasn't able to be

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I guess the reason Koei give some of these characters exotic personalities is because it would be sometimes boring to have everyone the exact same "great general like" persona.


I'm not talking about Great General persona. Zhang He was clever, so was Wei Yan. Two crafty people. Xu Zhu was ferocious. Cao Cao was ambitious. Xu Huang and Zhang Liao were honorable, yet great generals. It depends on the angle you see things

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SSM6 Twatter's just telling us the obvious again. Expect more pain this week, wwwwww.

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Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:45 pm
Ugh Eve. Can't understand how anyone can like a song where the first 2/3s is composed of high-pitched screechy guitar and shrill squeals and the actual good "epic" part of the song after that only last like twenty seconds before going back to screech and squeals.

Gimme Jump into the Battlefield, Crisis, Chase the Wave, Avenging Battle, Struggle for Existence, Persistent Fellows, Gloomy Shadow, Ignition, Tropical Wars, and/or Geniuses Sanctuaries instead. /list
Can't speak for everyone else, but I like the atmosphere of it and when it was used. It was the 'oh ****, something bad just happened, you better get the hell out of dodge!'

Also, I like fast paced heavy metal. I can definitely see why people would dislike it- heavy metal isn't everyone's thing.

The rest of your list is pretty good, though. Wouldn't mind some of those coming back.

@Xalfea- Well, with the exception of cutting poor Pang De, I got to say I'm overall pretty content with this roster. Even with the two cuts, there were a LOT of new additions, and while one or two are questionable, the rest of them are pretty good (well, if Koei does it right). So, to answer your question of how many I was looking for, I'd say I'm okay. For now.

The only ones I'm not 100% happy with their inclusion are Bao Sanniang and Guan Suo- I'd probably had put in either Guan Xing or Zhang Bao in that place, and in her place, eh. Wang Ping. *shug*

And Lady Wu over Lady Bu, but who knows at this point. Maybe I'll like her, even though she's a completely pointless add (as far as history goes.)

When every possible character is playable, I'd probably be bored and have moved on.
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Twitter account is saying we'll get public information this week and info about new characters. Someone correct if I'm wrong.
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I guess the reason Koei give some of these characters exotic personalities is because it would be sometimes boring to have everyone the exact same "great general like" persona.
I'm not talking about Great General persona. Zhang He was clever, so was Wei Yan. Two crafty people. Xu Zhu was ferocious. Cao Cao was ambitious. Xu Huang and Zhang Liao were honorable, yet great generals. It depends on the angle you see things
I see what you are saying but imo it would be nice if Koei can put Zhang He "cleverness" mind into the game while keeping the exact same persona he has now. With a roster as big as DW now, I would like every character to have a different persona while adding some of their historical persona along with it.
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I know online translators are never that reliable but Babylon translation says this is what the SSM6 Twitter says

"I am going to disclose information this week. There is the new character information, too"
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it will be very interesting what the scans will show this week!
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Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:33 am
Can't speak for everyone else, but I like the atmosphere of it and when it was used. It was the 'oh ****, something bad just happened, you better get the hell out of dodge!'

Also, I like fast paced heavy metal. I can definitely see why people would dislike it- heavy metal isn't everyone's thing.
Hmm, I guess when you explain it that way I can understand better.

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The only ones I'm not 100% happy with their inclusion are Bao Sanniang and Guan Suo- I'd probably had put in either Guan Xing or Zhang Bao in that place, and in her place, eh. Wang Ping. *shug*


I get the feeling the decision might have come down to Guan Suo + Bao Sanniang or Guan Xing + Zhang Bao... and honestly anything is better than the second pair in my eyes.
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